Making the jump from full syn gut to hybrid

Xfimpg

Professional
Hi
I'm a current user of PSGD 16g in a POG and am looking to make the jump, or at least test, a hybrid setup with co-poly. Your feedback would be welcome.

I normally string at 63m/61c. If I run a co-poly 17g at 55lbs on crosses and the PSGD 16 at 63lbs on mains, does that ratio seem correct for compensating for a stiffer co-poly string?
 

esgee48

Legend
Also consider how much tension each string (main vs cross) will lose. Most users of SG/poly or poly/SG end up cutting out the poly and redoing the them due to loss of tension in the poly. Look up the numbers at TWU.

One way to get around the poly tension loss is to 'prestretch' the poly (See threads by Travlerajm.)

So, are you trying to get more spin?
 

bigserving

Hall of Fame
Not as much a jump as it is a step. Welcome to the world of string exploration. Post your findings and good luck.
 

Xfimpg

Professional
Also consider how much tension each string (main vs cross) will lose. Most users of SG/poly or poly/SG end up cutting out the poly and redoing the them due to loss of tension in the poly. Look up the numbers at TWU.

One way to get around the poly tension loss is to 'prestretch' the poly (See threads by Travlerajm.)

So, are you trying to get more spin?
:shock:
Yes but I am weary because of the stiffness of poly, which is why I'm just doing a test right now.
 

sm01

Rookie
I went through several poly/sg and sg/poly hybrids in my microgel prestige pros this spring--RPM, Cyclone, BHBR and mainly Forten Sweet 17.


FWIW:


What I found:

1. as discussed in many topics here, poly needs to be strung at below 52#, preferably in the mid to low 40s at least with regard to RPM and Cyclone.

2. the racquet will have the feel of what is in the mains--crosses are used to set tension--power.

3. poly in the crosses saws sg mains--but this was the best hybrid feel-wise.

4. Need to string the poly at least 4# less regardless of whether used in mains or crosses.


Lesson learned:

1. I love Pacific Classic Gut. Power Player suggested it in a hybrid with poly. I tried it. End of tests--its that good, no, its great!!! Its crisp not mushy or buttery, kinda like sg, but blows sg away feelwise and controlwise. Excellent, excellent, excellent!!!!

2. so far, liking the poly (RPM) at mid 40s in the mains and PCG in crosses at 50.
 

David Valencia

New User
My 0.02 cents - I always recommend changing one thing at time. Since you changing the strings, I'd keep the tension the same. Adjust tension accordingly after playtesting.
 

Xfimpg

Professional
Guys, I didn't get far with the co-poly string...I had it set to 55lbs on the crosses and there is like no give at all in that string, couldn't even stretch it enough to get it down to 55lbs so I put it aside and am staying with full bed of syn gut for now.
 

Xfimpg

Professional
Poly is different. Obviously it doesn't stretch as you can see, so what you do is give it some slack.
Slack? Not sure what you mean. I kept stretching it back and forth with the drop weight and wasn't able to get the 55lbs on the crosses... I honestly thought my racquet was going to snap.
 

sm01

Rookie
I suggest looking at my post again--poly needs to be in the mid to low 40s max.

Try 42 or 44#. Its the new 54-56#.
 

roman40

Rookie
Slack? Not sure what you mean. I kept stretching it back and forth with the drop weight and wasn't able to get the 55lbs on the crosses... I honestly thought my racquet was going to snap.
You're not doing it right. If your drop weight is horizonal, then you got the right tension. However, string poly doesn't stretch much, you have to start with the drop weight arm at around 45 degrees, or less, then adjust as needed, if you have the ratcheting mechanism. If you don't have a ratcheting mechanism, that sucks, but you can still figure out the angle you have to start with by experimenting.

BTW, syn-gut or multi doesn't work well with poly, because it doesn't slide well after a few hours. If you restring every few hours anyway, that's fine, otherwise I'd suggest full poly, or natural gut/poly it will last longer. You should start with a soft/powerful poly string, and string at least 10% lower tension.
 
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ricardo

Hall of Fame
Guys, I didn't get far with the co-poly string...I had it set to 55lbs on the crosses and there is like no give at all in that string, couldn't even stretch it enough to get it down to 55lbs so I put it aside and am staying with full bed of syn gut for now.
I think I know what you are talking about.

Are you using a dropweight or a crank?

I am using a dropweight stringer (gamma x-2).

When I am stringing a multi like w.sensation, I have to fully ratchet it 2-3 times before I get my bar to horizontal.

For poly, it is very different.
Because poly do not stretch that much, I position my bar to almost horizontal before I grip the string to tension. If you position your bar higher, it will not go down to horizontal.
 

loosegroove

Hall of Fame
I think I know what you are talking about.

Are you using a dropweight or a crank?

I am using a dropweight stringer (gamma x-2).

When I am stringing a multi like w.sensation, I have to fully ratchet it 2-3 times before I get my bar to horizontal.

For poly, it is very different.
Because poly do not stretch that much, I position my bar to almost horizontal before I grip the string to tension. If you position your bar higher, it will not go down to horizontal.
What this guy said.
 

Xfimpg

Professional
Thanks guys for all the great feedback.
I'm using a ratchet style (gamma x2) so yes thanks I will move it to three quarters before ratcheting it up.
But if synthetic gut does not work well with poly then I'll probably just keep going full syn gut anyways as I cut up my strings every 2 to 4 hours.
 

roman40

Rookie
Thanks guys for all the great feedback.
I'm using a ratchet style (gamma x2) so yes thanks I will move it to three quarters before ratcheting it up.
But if synthetic gut does not work well with poly then I'll probably just keep going full syn gut anyways as I cut up my strings every 2 to 4 hours.
Actually, like I said, if you cut out every 4hrs, you might like the hybrid. I liked my OGSM/Silverstring hybrid for about a few hours, then it would go down hill pretty quickly, because OGSM coating would wear off, and it wouldn't slide over poly well.
 

Xfimpg

Professional
Actually, like I said, if you cut out every 4hrs, you might like the hybrid. I liked my OGSM/Silverstring hybrid for about a few hours, then it would go down hill pretty quickly, because OGSM coating would wear off, and it wouldn't slide over poly well.
Ah ok got it.
 

BlueB

Legend
Your tensions sound good. You can do even bigger differential. I always go at least 10lbs... When syn gut or multi lose the snapback, lube the stringbed a bit, it will play well for another fee hours.
 
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