Manganese for wrist and elbow pain

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  1. ttwarrior1

    ttwarrior1 Professional

    Apr 18, 2005
    Used this years ago and it worked. Will post some examples Ive found online, etc.
    Too Vince Gironda
    I would like to get into arm wrestling (Petaluma style). Are there any exercises I could do to prepare for this? I am 5'5", 145 lbs. My right arm measured relaxed is as follows: 7" wrist, 12" forearm, 12" biceps. One of the instructors where I train is Tommy Kono. He tells me there is little I can do, except to keep wrist wrestling as much as possible. He said its all bicep and deltoid power. I thought it was all forearm and wrist. What is your opinion?

    I noticed that most of the winners are masons, carpenters, truck drivers, machine operators, etc., so should I do high sets and reps or something like three sets of three reps with heavy weights?

    What about tearing newspapers, squeezing rubber balls, hand grips, pinch grip plates, etc.?

    I am starting to get a sore elbow from arm wrestling. How can I get rid of this pain? I have seen a nutritionist and she gave me a bottle of Sonne's No.2 Calphonite liquid which contains (each tablespoon) Calcium - 160 mgs. Phosphorus - 124 mgs. Manganese Gluconate - 100 mgs. Magnesium Gluconate - 35 mg.

    It seems to help a little, but not much. I talked to Mitsuo Kawashima, owner of MITS' Health Studio. He told me to military press with palms facing me (like at the end of a two-arm barbell curl). MITS and Jack Dillinger were the best of friends long ago. He told me some of the "old timers" would press, even bench press like this. This is supposed to strengthen the area around the elbow and triceps.

    So, there you have it. I consulted the best weightlifting instructor in Hawaii, the best bodybuilding it or in Hawaii, and a very rimed nutritionist in Hawaii. Since you are the best there is in California, please give me your thoughts. If it is all right with you, I will discuss your advice with the people that I have talked to.

    Thank you for your time and trouble.

    P.S. Are there any places in California where people arm wrestle on a regular basis? I hope to be in California soon, maybe in October.

    Take 200 mg. Manganese every three hours for three days (72 hours). You have Tendonitis (Tennis Elbow) and need Sound Wave treatments.

    In order to strengthen the muscles needed to perform this feat you must rig up a pulley to pull the same pull as you use when wrist wrestling. I would advise you to practice the first part of the movement (fast explosive). This is where the contest is won. You must get the jump on your adversary. Stronger men can lose if they are not aware of this trick.

    Your nutritionist is good! She knows that tendon problems are lack of, or not enough, minerals, particularly manganese.

    Strength is built with low reps!

    Wrist wrestling involves pectoral, biceps and front deltoid power.

    If you want to be a great wrist wrestler, don't waste your time on tearing newspapers, squeezing rubber balls, hand grips or pinch grip plates.

    (Musclemag Vol 2 issue 1)
  2. ttwarrior1

    ttwarrior1 Professional

    Apr 18, 2005
    What can high-manganese foods do for you?

    Help your body utilize several key nutrients such as biotin, thiamin, ascorbic acid, and choline
    Keep your bones strong and healthy
    Help your body synthesize fatty acids and cholestorol
    Maintain normal blood sugar levels
    Promote optimal function of your thyroid gland
    Maintain the health of your nerves
    Protect your cells from free-radical damage
    What events can indicate a need for more high-manganese foods?

    Poor glucose tolerance (high blood sugar levels)
    Skin rash
    Loss of hair color
    Excessive bone loss
    Low cholesterol levels
    Hearing loss
    Reproductive system difficulties
    Excellent food sources of manganese include mustard greens, kale, chard, raspberries, pineapple, strawberries, romaine lettuce, collard greens, spinach, garlic, summer squash, grapes, turnip greens, eggplant, brown rice, blackstrap molasses, maple syrup, cloves, cinnamon, thyme, black pepper, and turmeric.

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  3. ttwarrior1

    ttwarrior1 Professional

    Apr 18, 2005

    What is manganese?

    Manganese, a trace mineral that participates in many enzyme systems in the body, was first considered an essential nutrient in 1931. Researchers discovered that experimental animals fed a diet deficient in manganese demonstrated poor growth and impaired reproduction. Manganese is found widely in nature, but occurs only in trace amounts in human tissues. The human body contains a total of 15-20 milligrams of manganese, most of which is located in the bones, with the remainder found in the kidneys, liver, pancreas, pituitary glands, and adrenal glands.

    How it Functions

    What is the function of manganese?

    In the human body, manganese functions as an enzyme activator and as a component of metalloenzymes (an enzyme that contains a metal ion in its structure).

    Enzyme activator

    Manganese activates the enzymes responsible for the utilization of several key nutrients including biotin, thiamin, ascorbic acid, and choline. It is a catalyst in the synthesis of fatty acids and cholesterol, facilitates protein and carbohydrate metabolism, and may also participate in the production of sex hormones and maintaining reproductive health.

    In addition, manganese activates the enzymes known as glycolsyltranserferases and xylosyltransferases, which are important in the formation of bone. It has also been theorized that manganese is involved in the production of the thyroid hormone known as thyroxine and in maintaining the health of nerve tissue.

    A component of metalloenzymes

    Manganese has additional functions as a constituent of the following metalloenzymes:

    Arginase, the enzyme in the liver responsible for creating urea, a component of urine
    Glutamine synthetase, an enzyme involved in the synthesis of glutamine
    Phosphoenolpyruvate decarboxylase, an enzyme that participates in the metabolism of blood sugar
    Manganese-dependent superoxide dismutase, an enzyme with antioxidant activity that protects tissues from the damaging effects of free radicals.This enzyme is found exclusively inside the body's mitochondria (oxygen-based energy factories inside most of our cells).
    Deficiency Symptoms

    What are deficiency symptoms for manganese?

    Because manganese plays a role in a variety of enzyme systems, dietary deficiency of manganese can impact many physiological processes. In experimental animals, manganese deficiency causes impaired growth, skeletal abnormalities, and defects in carbohydrate and fat metabolism.

    In addition, offspring of experimental animals fed manganese-deficient diets develop ataxia, a movement disorder characterized by lack of muscle coordination and balance. This condition is caused by poor development of the otoliths, the structures in the inner ear that are responsible for equilibrium.

    In humans, manganese deficiency is associated with nausea, vomiting, poor glucose tolerance (high blood sugar levels), skin rash, loss of hair color, excessive bone loss, low cholesterol levels, dizziness, hearing loss, and compromised function of the reproductive system. Severe manganese deficiency in infants can cause paralysis, convulsions, blindness, and deafness.

    It is important to emphasize, however, that manganese deficiency is very rare in humans, and does not usually develop unless manganese is deliberately eliminated from the diet. In addition, it has been suggested that magnesium substitutes for manganese in certain enzyme systems if manganese is deficient, thereby allowing the body to function normally despite the deficiency.

    Health Conditions

    What health conditions require special emphasis on manganese?

    Manganese may play a role in the prevention and/or treatment of the following medical conditions:

    Heart disease
    Learning disabilities
    Multiple sclerosis
    Myasthenia gravis
    Premenstrual syndrome
    Rheumatoid arthritis
    Sprains and strains
    Food Sources

    What foods provide manganese?

    Excellent food sources of manganese include mustard greens, kale, chard, raspberries, pineapple, strawberries, romaine lettuce, collard greens, spinach, garlic, summer squash, grapes, turnip greens, eggplant, brown rice, blackstrap molasses, maple syrup, cloves, cinnamon, thyme, black pepper, and turmeric.

    Very good sources of manganese include leeks, tofu, broccoli, beets, cranberries, whole wheat, and tempeh.

    Good sources of manganese include cucumber, peanuts, peppermint, millet, barley, figs, bananas, kiwifruit, carrots, cashews, bell peppers, and onions.
  4. ttwarrior1

    ttwarrior1 Professional

    Apr 18, 2005
    Drug interactions

    Magnesium-containing antacids and laxatives and the antibiotic medication, tetracycline, may decrease the absorption of manganese if taken together with manganese-containing foods or supplements (34).

    High levels of manganese in supplements marketed for bone/joint health

    Two studies have found that supplements containing a combination of glucosamine hydrochloride, chondroitin sulfate, and manganese ascorbate are beneficial in relieving pain due to mild or moderate osteoarthritis of the knee when compared to a placebo (54, 55). The dose of elemental manganese supplied by the supplements was 30 mg/day for eight weeks in one study (55) and 40 mg/day for six months in the other (54). No adverse effects were reported during either study, and blood manganese levels were not measured. Neither study compared the treatment containing manganese ascorbate to a treatment containing glucosamine hydrochloride and chondroitin sulfate without manganese ascorbate, so it is impossible to determine whether the supplement would have resulted in the same benefit without high doses of manganese.
  5. charliefedererer

    charliefedererer Legend

    Feb 13, 2009
    For those taking too much Manganese, here is how you can tell if your neurological symptoms are due to Parkinson's Disease or manganese toxicity:

    "Manganese Toxicity
    Distinguishing Parkinson’s Disease from Manganese


    Parkinson’s disease (PD) is a neurodegenerative disease caused by deficiency of dopamine production in the substantia nigra region of the brain. Characteristic features of PD include resting tremor, rigidity, bradykinesia and postural instability.

    Interestingly, a very similar syndrome in its clinical presentation can be produced by exposure to the metal manganese (manganism), often through inhaling welding fumes.

    Clinical features of manganism, in contrast to PD, include:
    - gait ataxia plus other neurologic findings (ataxia-plus)
    - cognitive impairment with psychiatric features.
    - liver failure.

    Manganese toxicity is primarily thought to affect two regions of the basal ganglia, in contrast to PD: the striatum and globus palladus. Because the two syndromes overlap in clinical features, it is important to have a strong identification of causation when evaluating these patients/clients. Although there may be significant overlap, recent studies show that these two etiologically distinct syndromes may be distinguished by:
    - The clinical presentation,
    - Therapeutic response to levodopa,
    - Biological Markers, including blood and urine Mn levels."

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