Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Anton, Dec 7, 2012.
Here's mine, a little lighter (no leather but about 8 grams of lead in the throat):
This racquet is so beautiful that adding lead tape around it its almost a sin thats why i went with the leather grip
Yes, it is. That's why I wish it was much heavier stock.
you can always place weight under the bumper and under the grip
I have heard that Mantis has pulled out of the US is this correct ?
Not correct. The fact is that MANTIS Sport USA has new management and will be expanding their product offerings in the US to include the balls, new strings, junior racquets as well as the current line of rackets and bags.
Can't wait for this!
anyone else have any experience with the 295 Pro?
I had one but sold it here at TT. Very light. I had if weighted up to 340g. Excellent feel, comfort , and great quality paint job.
Just lacks plow... The ball just doesn't go.. Very low powered due to thin beam, low swing weight and head light balance. Excellent at net.
Great if you can bring your own power... Lots of it.
I do. I've had it for probably 7 months now although I've only used it for 3-4 months for high school tennis season. I'll be playing tennis again tomorrow.
Anyways, I absolutely love this racket. I tried out a friend's AeroPro Drive 2013 and in comparison to the Mantis PRO 295, it felt stiff and hollow (basically is at the beam and it felt like there was sand or something in it). Not sure why people like Babolat's Pure Drive and AeroPro Drive. Their new racket might be a bit different but Mantis will stay as my all time favorite. In comparison, the Pro 295 has a very clean feel. The response is really nice and the racquet is really maneuverable.
I wish Mantis could finish restructuring their USA department so they will supply some more stock to TW since I want another Mantis Pro 295 to string with Yonex Poly Tour Spin (currently have Poly Tour Pro that I need to restring since the strings are dead now).
I've just ordered mine... eagerly awaiting for them.
I'm migrating from heavier old-style sticks, and I was looking for a bit more power than what my current and much loved sticks provided (POG Mid, Wilson Tours 90).
I have demoed a few of the new Wilsons, plus the Dunlop M2.0, and decided to settle on the Mantis 295 and customize the racket to my needs.
With this lighter package, I 'm looking for the ability to quicly whip across the ball with fast wrist snap, thing I cannot do easily with the 340+ g rackets I use.
I'll be adding weight that is granted, but NOT to reach my familiar 340g territory.
Review coming up soon...
I hit with the mantis pro 310 last saturday. I found it identical to the 295 i owned in the past. However i never played with it in stick form. Mine was weighted up to 340. Nice racquet but i found it very low powered. Thin bean, low sw... Low power. Nice racquet if you can generate your own oower. Love the quality, the cosmetics and the balance. It has a great feel, best racquet for feel i ever tried.,also i think the top of the frame is too flexible and i can really feel it on off center hits
I just received my Pro 295 back today with some new strings (Kevlar mains, synthetic crosses) and it was not very pleasant. Before with my Yonex Poly Tour Pro 1.25mm (65lbs) the racket felt like it had great power. With my new setup I'm starting to realize how underpowered it is (although it's fairly powerful for its weight). I don't have any lead tape on hand, neither can I buy any at the moment so I'm going to see how I play with it for another week. If I can't stand it, I'm probably going to sell it and go for a Mantis 300 or Babolat Pure Drive (they play basically identical but the Mantis is slightly less stiff. Both feel great!).
The mantis is very different that a pure drive. Is has at thin beam, low swing weight ... So it's low powered. If you add do é weight to it you will be amazed. Add a leather grip and 6 g at 3 and 9 and you will see that it's a very nice racquet. Strings may also be an issue. Kevlar is very low powered so maybe another option would be appropriate
First impressions (even if strung with lousy string combination and tension):
1 -Surprisingly good at net - manouverable yet solid with good control
2 -Relatively hard to string - it takes some work due to blocked holes and knots in tight places
3 -Maneuverable from baseline, power depends on your ability to whip the racket across the ball - but nonetheless much much less powerfull than say a Pure Drive.
4 - Confortable - even with lousy string combo that acted like a board, the racket was still confortable
5 - not very stable for half-volleys - but that may be due low swing-weight and me being used to higher swing-weight rackets.
Next steps for me:
a) get a better string combination and lower tension
b) increase swingweight a tiny bit - maybe in a polarized setup
BTW, some more data:
Unstrung weight: 303 g
Strung + overgrip: 325 g
My new strings are starting to lose a bit of tension now and it's starting to feel nice again. I do need to add some weight if I can though to get a bit more plough-through as my shoulder hurts quite a bit now from constantly taking big cuts (although it makes it really fun).
For anybody who's interested, I posted a listing on TW for my Pro 295. I'm on the fence right now as to whether or not I want to switch to another racquet or stay with it.
I'll try to buy some lead/tungsten tape and replace the grip on the racquet. I'll see if adding some weight will make it feel better to me.
Wait a sec! did I read that right ? 65lbs ? 65 !?!? google tells me it's 29,48 Kg !!! Wowza! that's a high tension. of course it will be under-powered.
I strung mine with Pro's Pro hexaspin twist on mains @ 23Kg (50 lbs) and the softest Wilson Reaction 16 @ 22 Kg (48 lbs) - and the end result I found it to be very boady and very low powered...
I'll go lower next time and an with softer mains string
IMMHO makes no sense to sell the racket because you did not like your second string job! try to change string bed first.
Also, your shoulder should not be hurting... might mean you're using too much arm strength and no lower body strength to create power... That pain is just your body telling you "hey! that is no way to hit the ball... hear me?"
just my 0.02€
The Yonex strings felt fine at 65lbs. After a couple of days, it dropped to 30-35lbs (according to how much total tension drop TW got in their tests) so control wasn't quite in my favor and power felt effortless, but the power wasn't very welcome because it wasn't all that controllable.
It's not the string job that bothers me anymore. Actually, now that the strings are looser after some hard hitting, they work very well for the racquet. I just still can't generate as much power as I would like. Most of my shots are fairly shallow, only landing near the end of the service box which gives too many opportunities for my opponents to attack and move up. I need to take enormous cuts every time to get it near the baseline which doesn't let me last very long in a match.
As for my shoulder, it hurt after I did a pretty sloppy serve but I'll be sure to pay more attention to my technique.
My second mantis strung with a fullbed of a softer poly, Pro's Pro Red Devil at 22 Kg (48,5 lbs) on Mains and 20,5 Kg (44 lbs) on crosses.
Also, added 2 grams of lead at 12 o'clock.
let's see what's the feedback after tomorrow's training session .
I string mine at 44lbs (19,95kg) with a thin poly. 10 grams at 10 & 2 with a Wilson leather grip and TournaGrip overwrap.
There's plenty of power and still extremely comfortable.
Ah yes, should have mentioned as well, leather grip and overgrip here too.
In terms of its feel, for me it reminds me of ProStaff Classic 6.1 - but in lighter and faster package
Just got a leather replacement grip and some lead tape.
@luishcorreia: 6g total at 3 + 9 o'clock or 6g at each?
Thats what i would start at
Tried out my friend's AeroPro Drive 2013 (had Pro Hurricane at around 60lbs) against my Mantis. Either I didn't pay attention enough or the two played pretty similar.
The AeroPro felt like a stiffer, more powerful racquet in general. The hurricanes didn't provide much spin, but that would probably change if it had the kevlar and poly hybrid I have in the Mantis. Much more forgiving on shots.
I will probably be able to get the same feeling after leading up the Mantis, although my friend is considering buying it from me because it fits his play style very well (he takes huge cuts and relies on spin. Usually hits it out if he takes a big cut from the baseline).
Ok, here's my impression after adding new string and 2 gram at 12 o'clock.
-Without any additional weight in the handle nor any overgrip to counter the two grams at 12 o'clock, the difference in swing was tremendous, almost requiring too much effort to swing the racket-head in the correct timing. Power was added no doubt, but it was not what I was looking for.
-I then added an overgrip, offsetting the 2grams a bit (don't know exactly by how much), and the swing changed again to me much more balanced. now I could feel the "heavier" tip of the racket, but it also felt easier to swing. Much closer to my preference.
The red devil string even at those low tensions still produced a hard stringbed - so it's still not this combination.
Finally, this racket still requires an adjustment on my part since I haven't found my range yet, that also I was having an off day.
After my training session, I went for a practice with another person, and was a fraction late in every shot and I felt the racket being pushed around in every shot.
Went back to may POG and immediately felt at home, and clearly was still late in shots but the racket more than compensated.
So I'll need a few more training sessions to get the range right.
On same day, saw a 6.0 player hitting with the 310g version of the Mantis and he clearly said for him the "Red Devil" was clearly not the string for the racket... recommended harder strings with lower tension.
On the 4th string combination...
Ok, so in my 4th string combination, I changed to an even lower tension (Pro's Pro: Nano Vendetta 1.25 @ 20 Kg on mains w/ Operation Twist 1.30 @ 19 Kg on Crosses) and stringbed response is now much better - improved power still with very good control, and very confortable (based on 1 hour session).
However, I found that for a OHBH it ends up being very very demanding stick, more so than 90 sq. rackets. If your timing is not absolutely perfect, the racket does not have sufficient weigth to still carry out the shot. With a 90 sq in. although it had smaller sweet spot the swingweight would compensate small timing issues, with the Mantis the lack of plough-through... (even weighted at 325+ grams) currently does not do any such compensation.
Well yes I do have to further improve my back-hand (which is not as bad as it sounds, it's decent) but I changed rackets because I was looking for some more help from the stick, and it's not looking very good at the moment.
Concerning power, you have to produce it yourself, so far the racket has not helped much on this department, but it might very well be from string choices. I'll give it a few more attempts here.
It's not all bad, I did gain the ability to better carve the serves, or flatten out serves. And at net it also seems a solid performer (more testing needed under pressure conditions).
Compared to say an Aeropro Storm in stock form, the big difference in power (ability to accelerate shots) was very very noticeable, but given the very similar specs, it has to be possible to produce the same level of power.
The biggest difference between the two were:
a) strings, the Aeropro used RPM Blast @ 24 Kg
b) Balance, the Aeropro Storm is 3 pts HL, and one could feel the slight weight in the racket head.
c) Mantis with 2g added 12 o'clock and 2g under butt.
Maybe I need to change that balance on the mantis and use a string with same qualities/properties as RPM Blast.
So, I'll have to keep tweaking to find the right spot for me.
Just thought of something; is there any racquet that's still sold in the US @ TW that plays similarly to the Mantis Pro 295? I see TW didn't take measurements before running out of stock.
Wish Mantis was still sold here. Prices were much lower than what Mantis offers at MantisGallery.
I had one of these for a while and the closest to this racquet that I hit was the Pure Storm Team, which is no longer at TW but you might be able to pick one up.
Next closest that I've hit with that is currently at TW would be the PK Qtour 295.
Spec wise (I know specs aren't everything) the Pro 295 seems a lot like a lighter version of the Pure Strike 16x19 (although this already has more power than I'd ever need, even with a Kevlar + Nylon/Poly setup oddly enough).
i would say your quite right with this comment. ive been demoing the pure strike and i couldnt agree more.
Interesting. On first glance of the Pure Strike racquets I thought they looked a lot like the Mantis Pro 295 and Pro 310.
Well, looks like I have a good reference now on how the Pro 295 and Pro 310 play in comparison to other racquets.
Just added a leather grip (Wilson). It's a bit dry and doesn't have too much grip but hopefully that will change once I play with it next week.
I'll see how this plays without lead at first. The balance should have shifted from 6 to 7-8-ish points HL.
Edit: 32.20 cm for balance, 300-302 grams for swingweight. Does anybody else have measurements? Weight I would assume about 320 (295g + 15g for strings + 20 g for the leather grip).
Measurements for mine (obtained from super-duper Prince "machine") form are the following:
-Unstrung & with leather grip
-Weight: 303 g
-Balance (unstrung): 318 mm
-Swingweight : 276
On my 5th stringing and with no added weights I seem to have found a nice sweet spot for power & control and I'm now much more confortable and have found my range - yet, still some more improvements are expected by tweaking here and there.
Even the difficulty I originally found on the backhand is greatly gone, must've been the results of the stringing adjustments (lower and lower tensions) and swing micro-adjustments.
I have gained quite a bit coming from POG Mid (except that fabulous unmistakeable feel of the POG).
Oh and concerning leather grips..
I had the option between fairway and a french brand, BDE - I think very hard to find nowadays.
The guy customizing my stick said BDE's were very good and I trusted him to make the best choice.
Leather grips are a very very personal taste issue, but for me, BDE so far has been the best leather grip I have ever tried (I have tried fairway / Wilson, Prince, Volkl, Dunlop).
Could have been the strings but the Pure Strike frame I tried (granted for 5 minutes) seemed a lot flexier in the upper loop than the Mantis.
impression based on 5 minutes of comparison
I might just get a demo for the Pure Strike 16 x 19 to see if it's close to the Pro 295 and 310. Hopefully it is so I know how this stick plays compared to other sticks (without needing actual experience with those racquets).
I don't know if it's just me but this racquet is become absurdly powerful for me. My coach offers free stringing to the high school team and he strings it with a kevlar and copoly hybrid as far as I can tell. I don't know what the kevlar is but I think the copoly is Luxilon Alu Big Banger or some other silver string (Luxilon is the only company I know that makes unshaped silver strings, so definitely not Solinco Tour Bite). It's Kevlar mains, copoly crosses. I don't know what the tension's at but it's lower than I'd like (it's probably around 30-40 from just pressing the string bed. I prefer 50-60).
Anyways, my shots are going just slightly long of the baseline now on a regular hit. Not quite happy about that.
Finally to feel the consequences of this racquet being so light today. I'll try to figure out where to put some lead tape this weekend. Main problem seems to be torsional stability on returning big hits.
how about the pacific x-feel pro 95?
No need for that.
What I found is, if I hold the racket just a tiny bit up from my regular position (i.e away from the butcap), I greatly increase control on those heavy shots, and find much better ability to return those with interest.
Experiment with that and you'll see no need for lead tape.
Will try it out.
Just added 4g total at 3 and 9 (2 at each). Needed more mass at the hoop for returning more powerful shots because this thing would shake pretty hard when hitting unless I tried to take a huge cut at it.
Next step may be 2g at 6 if I don't find it stable enough.
I have now adjusted to it quite well, and don't feel the need for any additional weight on it - so far.
Regarding heavy shots, I've just played doubles against a 6.0 or 6.5 player, so believe me I've seen them heavy shots.
For me it's now finding the right string combination, I'm getting there ever so slowly - won't cut current strings just to tweak it a bit more - I'll wait until they're dead on me.
And the racket is growing on me every day I play with it.
Love this racquet now. Feels great. I still need to adjust my timing since I'm still swinging a bit late but otherwise the racquet is really nice right now.
Something that's always concerning me though is how much vibration this racquet has compared to the other ones I've used. Hopefully I haven't broken it.
A friend tried it out and really wants mine now. Not quite sure what to do.
That is very strange but in a sort of way, familiar.
I find this racket to have very minimal vibration, very minimal indeed given the weight, sometimes in fact I get surprised how some heavy shots are dealt with so cleanly and vibration free.
Now, having said that, the other day in one of my rackets I did have a very very weird sound on the racket when bumping the ball on the ground with it (say when you're preparing to serve?).
That sound was being made on one side of the racket, say at 2:00
The racket sounded broken ! though it played normally in every sense, but made that distinctive broken sound when bumping the ball.
I gave it to my coach the analyse, and after some playing and some testing he traced it to one of the knots on the string job to be making this effect (I don't recall his explanation).
I have played with the racket some more, and the effect is somewhat gone, but I attribute it to the string job (I string them myself and not very experienced so...)
The best test here would be to set the racket on the stringing machine as if to string it, then drop a tennis ball on various sections of the string bed to determine exactly where it sound comes from.
I should post a help request to the stringing gurus on the stringing forum.
The vibration seems to be at random spots for me too, so it might be the stringing. Most of the time it hits very clean shots with almost no vibration and only the pop sound, not that broken frame sound. I'll try to check later today.
Actually I found the reason for the strange vibration, it is now gone !!
err it was the 2g lead fishing weight I had placed inside the handle/grip through the butcap, wrapped in thick layer of cotton.
The lead weight had gone through the cotton layer and was making direct contact with the frame...
I removed it and vibration is gone
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