Marat Safin: Nadal more impressive than Federer

Mr Feeny said:
"All the experts" certainly haven' said that. Being yec #1 is one thing . Being the best player is something else.
Now, for the last time,stop derailing the thread. If you want to argue that point, go ahead in the threads that already exist.

I don't expect to have to repeat somethikg this simple 5 times for you to grasp it. Stick to the topic on hand.
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The topic is what I am discussing. This is about what Safin said, which is Nadal was most impressive in 2017. If in doubt re read his comments. I am defending Federer here as some Nadal fans are claiming Safin is saying Nadal is the most impressive ever. I am pointing out he is saying Nadal was the best of 2017 which is what every expert I've heard has said anyway.
 
justasport said:
And I don't know if I agree that Roger is much more talented then Rafa. Rafa is EXTREMELY talented! You don't win 16 majors if you're not talented beyond belief.
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Even Federer recognizes Nadal’s immense talent when he said: ”Rafa is a special player. He can produce shots nobody else can”. That’s the difference between Federer who plays against Rafa and his fans who knows nothing about the game.

Nadal is super talented. You can’t win majors in your teens, 20s and 30s without being supremely talented. An early bloomer who became the oldest year end number 1 in the open era, take that.:)
 
Being impressed has nothing to do with how hard the person worked over years and years. The word "impressed" cannot be used for something you've been watching for way over a decade.
 
Skylar said:
The topic is what I am discussing. This is about what Safin said, which is Nadal was most impressive in 2017. If in doubt re read his comments. I am defending Federer here as some Nadal fans are claiming Safin is saying Nadal is the most impressive ever. I am pointing out he is saying Nadal was the best of 2017 which is what every expert I've heard has said anyway.
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Except that he didn' say that Nadal was "the best" in 2017 and neither did most experts. Again, drop the silliness and let's stick to the topic. Thanks.
 
DRII said:
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Lame....
 
Chanwan said:
When Fed isn't at his best physical, his game suffers. When Rafa isn't at his best physical, his game suffers. Neither can just rely on physical gifts or outrageous feel for the ball/good hands/talent.
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No one can precisely divide talent and the hard work it takes to make talent work.
 
metsman said:
Nadal has more weapons than Chang could dream of but has turned into a Chang-like scrambler on HC on many an occasion. It's pretty perplexing. He had a much easier time adapting to being consistently aggressive on grass than on HC.
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I think that's partly because even modern grass favours shotmaking and athleticism and Nadal is an underrated shotmaker with good hands. Also Nadal is vulnerable the most when you take his time away, on grass you do that with all-court style which is only applicable in the 1st week (when grass is still fast), after that he has too much time to hit those amazing passing shots so you basically have to outhit him from the baseline. It took him losing a step for 1st week journeyman to be able to rush him with enough consistency to win the match.

On HC however you do the same by taking the ball early and hitting flat which works on any kind of HC, fast or slow and many players are able to execute that tactic with decent proficiency. Which is why Nadal had to develop further as a player to find consistent success there, beef up his serve, learn when to flatten out his FH a bit more, improve his BH etc.

A lot of it is also due to confidence, when Nadal has momentum he can play some great aggressive baseline tennis on HC. In contrast, when he's low on confidence he plays too defensive and hits the ball short, it's Fed's equivalent of being an UFE machine or Novak giving up the baseline (like in some of his recent big matches against Stan).
 
Backspin1183 said:
He said it. Nadal more epic than Federer.
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Marat Safin believes Rafael Nadal is a more impressive tennis player than Roger Federer because of how much harder he has to work than the 19-time Grand Slam champion.

The former world No. 1 has watched on as the legendary duo topped the rankings once more in 2017 – having split all four majors between them – but remains more astounded by Nadal’s achievements.

Safin believes Federer’s career is built upon outrageous natural talent, while Nadal has been forced to fight for everything in his career.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/metro....re-impressive-than-roger-federer-7110944/amp/
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Those old guys are Fed and Rafa homers, wouldn't you if you were owned by them your whole career?
 
Does this mean the AO 2005 SF will get less over the top praise here (finally) ? :D
 
125downthemiddle said:
Does this mean the AO 2005 SF will get less over the top praise here (finally) ? :D
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No, that was and remains one of the great matches of the last 15 years. How can anyone who has watched it deny that? The only Roger-Rafa match that comes close to it is Rome 2006. Not even Wimbledon 2008 is as great as the 2005 AO semi.
 
BeatlesFan said:
No, that was and remains one of the great matches of the last 15 years. How can anyone who has watched it deny that? The only Roger-Rafa match that comes close to it is Rome 2006. Not even Wimbledon 2008 is as great as the 2005 AO semi.
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:D:D:D:D
 
I believe that Safin was referring to playing styles regarding Rafa and Fed. Safin mentioned how easy the game is for Federer whereas Rafa has to grind out every point.

I.e, Safin was probably referring to effort and heart. Rafa never gives up on a point. Safin's comment wasn't about which player was better this year. It was about which player put forth more of a grueling effort.
 
Well, Fede and Nada has about the same winning percentage, 78. Just, that FedExpress has about 350 matches more on his carreer.

Nole, on the other hand is up at 79...


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If anything I find Federer more impressive if he really didn't have to work as hard as Nadal to achieve greater results.

I always find the kid at school who never studied but got 100% in tests more impressive than the kid who worked hard and did well - because if the lazy but talented kid actually worked as hard as the hard worker, his achievements would be limitless. The hard worker is just ordinary, the talented kid has something special.
 
Pheasant said:
I believe that Safin was referring to playing styles regarding Rafa and Fed. Safin mentioned how easy the game is for Federer whereas Rafa has to grind out every point.

I.e, Safin was probably referring to effort and heart. Rafa never gives up on a point. Safin's comment wasn't about which player was better this year. It was about which player put forth more of a grueling effort.
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Yes that may well be his point.
 
Skylar said:
Most impressive I equate to best.

Anyway do you agree with what Safin said?
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If you equate it to being the best, then that's your problem right there. He never said that Nadal was the best, and the vast majority of tennis fans don't agree that Nadal was the "best" player this year.

Do I agree with Safin? There' nothing to agree or disagree about. He didn't state that either player was better. He stated that he was impressed by Nadal more (because he values hard work.) How can anyone disagree or agree with what impresses another individual.
 
Service Ace said:
Nadal isn't even top 10 in consecutive weeks at #1 and his fans expect people to take them seriously when they bring him up in the GOAT conversation?
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Yeah but i'd argue that total weeks at number 1 is more relevant than consecutive weeks. We'll wait and see if he catches Djokovic there. I don't think he'll sniff Sampras, nevermind Federer.
 
It is far more difficult to make something difficult look easy than to make it look difficult. Elegance and efficiency are the stuff of geniuses.

What if Federer were required to grunt on every shot, and Nadal were required to not grunt? Who would be closer to replicating their natural form and success?
 
I am still waiting on all those proofs that show how much more Nadal trained than Federer, yet I am always left empty-handed.

I thought that for apparently such widely know truth it would be easy to provide the information needed?

:(
 
if we are to believe the talented Thomas Edison: "Genius is one percent inspiration, ninety-nine percent perspiration", we would have to allow that Fed puts in a fair degree of work to back up his talent.
 
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