margin of error on serves with extended racquets

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
One thing about extended frames:

I find that I tend to like them a lot in times when I am playing frequently enough to utilize their advantages.

In times that I am only playing once or twice a week, my serve form is never dialed in enough to benefit, and I am better off using a standard length frame. And in times when I’m playing once a week or less, I’m better off using a shortened frame so that I can just pick and play at halfway decent level.
 

Sardines

Professional
This is correct regarding stability for matched frames, and resonates with what I tried to say. Maybe my wording let me down :rolleyes:
Well one of the bigger reasons of using an extended racquet is the added swing weight at less static weight. For example, my 27.5" frames are over 22g lighter than my 27" racquets, specced at the same swing weight and 8.5pts hl balance, and -0.2 kgcm2.
If an extended racquet ends up being heavier than the present racquet, then I would not advise the player to change because in all likelihood, they can't handle it.
 

happyandbob

Professional
One thing about extended frames:

I find that I tend to like them a lot in times when I am playing frequently enough to utilize their advantages.

In times that I am only playing once or twice a week, my serve form is never dialed in enough to benefit, and I am better off using a standard length frame. And in times when I’m playing once a week or less, I’m better off using a shortened frame so that I can just pick and play at halfway decent level.
Hmm. You know you could be on to something. That makes complete sense and maybe why I liked the plus racquet I demo'd last month but hated all the others I've tried out previously.

I've been playing more tennis during COVID because there is nothing else to do -- sometimes 4x a week -- and my serve is more dialed in than ever.
 

aaron_h27

Professional
One thing about extended frames:

I find that I tend to like them a lot in times when I am playing frequently enough to utilize their advantages.

In times that I am only playing once or twice a week, my serve form is never dialed in enough to benefit, and I am better off using a standard length frame. And in times when I’m playing once a week or less, I’m better off using a shortened frame so that I can just pick and play at halfway decent level.
27 1/8 !!
 

socallefty

Hall of Fame
Many extended length racquets also come in standard lengths. Might be useful to demo side by side and decide on the pros and cons. Usually the XL version has higher SW by 10-15 points.
 

Sardines

Professional
Many extended length racquets also come in standard lengths. Might be useful to demo side by side and decide on the pros and cons. Usually the XL version has higher SW by 10-15 points.
I have with the VCORE and EZONE series. Stability and power improvements. Slightly less whippy with the + models, especially on overheads but that's more timing and also shot recognition of not taking such a big swing.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
Well one of the bigger reasons of using an extended racquet is the added swing weight at less static weight. For example, my 27.5" frames are over 22g lighter than my 27" racquets, specced at the same swing weight and 8.5pts hl balance, and -0.2 kgcm2.
If an extended racquet ends up being heavier than the present racquet, then I would not advise the player to change because in all olikelihood, they can't handle it.
Technically, you are not interested in increasing particularly SW - it’s showing directly only how racquet swings from 10cm point on the handle. It’s a way to indirectly evaluate the mass behind the ball, which works well for same-length racquets.

Now if you pick a 27” racquet and add 5g to the tip, it’s stability will improve significantly. If you add 0.5” of length to the same racquet and still hit the same spot on the stringbed - it’s stability won’t improve.
 

Sardines

Professional
Technically, you are not interested in increasing particularly SW - it’s showing directly only how racquet swings from 10cm point on the handle. It’s a way to indirectly evaluate the mass behind the ball, which works well for same-length racquets.

Now if you pick a 27” racquet and add 5g to the tip, it’s stability will improve significantly. If you add 0.5” of length to the same racquet and still hit the same spot on the stringbed - it’s stability won’t improve.
I think the disconnect is about frame specificity, which is why you keep going on same frame dynamics while I've already stated switching from "RF97 to SV98+". Switching from a 340g RF97 unstrung frame to 305g unstrung frame, and speccing it up to 350 kg/cm2, 8.5 h/l, 14.5 kg/cm2, is more than 22g lighter in the SV98+, with the same stability, more power, easier to swing and more spin. You can argue parameters which suit your point, but execution of spec wise, there is little downside to this switch, and most of them psychological, which are valid as much as physical ones.
 

Dragy

Hall of Fame
I think the disconnect is about frame specificity, which is why you keep going on same frame dynamics while I've already stated switching from "RF97 to SV98+". Switching from a 340g RF97 unstrung frame to 305g unstrung frame, and speccing it up to 350 kg/cm2, 8.5 h/l, 14.5 kg/cm2, is more than 22g lighter in the SV98+, with the same stability, more power, easier to swing and more spin. You can argue parameters which suit your point, but execution of spec wise, there is little downside to this switch, and most of them psychological, which are valid as much as physical ones.
Well, the moment you are happy with the stability of your new frame, there's no point for me to argue :censored:
As a separate notice, Blade 98 has been around for quite some time to provide immence stability in a light package for those requesting.

I hope you enjoy and progress with your new frame. Personally I'm not sure I'd be happy to wield 350kg/cm^2 of SW around. I need my stick to come around at fast rate to fit my strokes timing, and I'd prefer to get same level of stability with low 330s SW in a standard length racquet. But we are all different...

PS: I've been playing with PA+ for quite some time 5+ years ago.
 

aaron_h27

Professional
I think testing out the standard version and extended version of a frame is good for people to know if they like a depolarized or more polarized racket.
 

Wheelz

Semi-Pro
I think testing out the standard version and extended version of a frame is good for people to know if they like a depolarized or more polarized racket.
Which one would be the more polarized ? You mean standard with weright added to match the SW of the extended ? or stock vs stock
 

aaron_h27

Professional
Which one would be the more polarized ? You mean standard with weright added to match the SW of the extended ? or stock vs stock
The extended racket will always be more polarized than the standard length version of the same racket.

But to answer your second question yes, you should match everything as much as you can that way you're only comparing the length.
 

Wheelz

Semi-Pro
The extended racket will always be more polarized than the standard length version of the same racket.

But to answer your second question yes, you should match everything as much as you can that way you're only comparing the length.
Yes makes sense, with the weight further away from the center. I was wondering if you were comparing with a standard lengt but modded to the same SW.
 
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