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.... break out the underhanded serve.
No way on Chatrier he doesn't do it this time.
Thanks in advance Kyrgios.
No way on Chatrier he doesn't do it this time.
Thanks in advance Kyrgios.
Mark my words, in the Roger vs Rafa SF, Roger will...
Parabolica
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I hope he does it.
cluckcluck
Hall of Fame
He's too classy to do something so childish.
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It makes too much sense not to do it...
On Chatrier where Nadal stands miles behind the baseline, it would be criminal not to do it, even if only once during a tight situation on serve.
You start the point against Nadal on clay and the chances of winning the point go down like a new car depreciating in value the moment it drives off the lot; every ace and service winner is worth it's weight in gold
TearTheRoofOff
G.O.A.T.
He'd probably miss it.
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That'd be a shame. Roger knows this opportunity might not come again... he'll regret not throwing everything in his arsenal at Nadal
On par with Sampras ruing never having tried a larger frame.
Why not? He is so good in drop shots that I think he could do it even better than anyone who tried it in the last weeks. It will definitely work and keeps Nadal guessing.
Also nobody whistles at Federer. They love his variety.
TahoeTennis
Legend
Fed respects Nadal too much and vice versa, they're not into that millenial Kyrgios crap, after all they're twin goats.
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
why is it childish? people clutching their pearls over something that is within the rules is childish
icedevil0289
G.O.A.T.
the thing is though, as roger says, its cool to do it, but you look like an idiot if you mess it up.
Shaolin
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I'd love to see him do it.
In a way Kyrgios made the situation worse...now everyone thinks about his clowning when the underhand serve is mentioned.
Technology Ruined Tennis
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Have you seen his tactics v Delpo? Arrogant-er sees no use for the underarm.
Sysyphus
Talk Tennis Guru
no way is he cynical enough, but I would love to see it and think it would be smart to throw it in there occasionally.
Much like basketball players who refuse to throw granny style free throws even if it'd help their numbers, Fed is also too proud for this.
edit: SABR is in a way an example to the contrary though, so maybe I'm misjudging Rodge.
Much like basketball players who refuse to throw granny style free throws even if it'd help their numbers, Fed is also too proud for this.
edit: SABR is in a way an example to the contrary though, so maybe I'm misjudging Rodge.
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Roger lets Nadal dictate the style of play too much on clay. I don't see the same flair and variety that he uses against lower ranked players against Nadal or even Djokovic, and tends to let them set the tone - which is basically a baseline battle.
If he can accept the underdog position mentally and go out there with a disrupter's attitude, he has a better chance.
Shaolin
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Fed is smart enough to realize this might be the last time he ever plays Rafa on clay. I think he will try everything possible so maybe he actually will throw in the drop serve. Would be cool.
At very least he should go out and practice the drop shot serve, let it get out in social media so itll get back to Nadal's camp. Have Rafa thinking in the back of his mind he might throw it in, even if he doesn't
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Fed is smart enough to realize this might be the last time he ever plays Rafa on clay. I think he will try everything possible so maybe he actually will throw in the drop serve. Would be cool.
At very least he should go out and practice the drop shot serve, let it get out in social media so itll get back to Nadal's camp. Have Rafa thinking in the back of his mind he might throw it in, even if he doesn't
The most amazing thing about the beginning of the 5th set in the AO '17 finals was this - even when down in the score, Roger was playing loose and sticking to his game plan; I remember thinking watching it live... "I've never seen Roger not get tight in a situation like this against Nadal".
He truly did not have any expectations and would have been happy to lose that one - which made him play his best
Unfortunately, the way he closed out the match against Stan today it didn't feel the same.. I could see him getting nervous closing out the set.
It'll all come down to what's going on between his ears come Friday.
I almost feel like unless he expects to be humiliated in the scoreline, makes peace with that possibility and then plays his game with absolute freedom, the outcome won't be any different.
BeatlesFan
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Childish? It's perfectly legit and within the rules.
Anyway, the person we're discussing (Fed) disagrees:
“Underarm is definitely a tactic, I believe. Especially when guys are hugging the fence in the back. From that standpoint, you shouldn't be ashamed if you try it out. You just look silly if you miss it sometimes. Why not try it? The problem is in practice, you never really try it. When you come out in the big stage in front of a full crowd, it's tricky to pull off.”
https://www.atptour.com/en/news/federer-underhand-serve-kyrgios-dubai-2019-reaction
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This is also a parallel to AO 2017. Back then he had even more trouble to finish Stan. After outplaying him quite easily at first he had to go five sets. Maybe he was both times more nervous against Stan because he wanted his chance against Nadal so badly that he almost couldn’t accept that he had to handle Stan first, who refused to go away.
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This is also a parallel to AO 2017. Back then he had even more trouble to finish Stan. After outplaying him quite easily at first he had to go five sets. Maybe he was both times more nervous against Stan because he wanted his chance against Nadal so badly that he almost couldn’t accept that he had to handle Stan first, who refused to go away.
You're right. I wasn't able to watch that whole match so my recollection is not as great, but he was tighter in that round wasn't he...
BeatlesFan
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I forgot to add that Fed discussed the underarm serve just today! (video a few posts later)
Roger Federer reveals controversial tactic is 'totally possible' at French Open
Federer has admitted he could use the controversial underarm serve at the French Open- but it is unlikely
Tue, Jun 4, 2019
Roger Federer claims he has no problem with ditching the traditional overarm serve. The 20-time Grand Slam winner also revealed he has thought about copying Kyrgios in the past.
“Totally possible. I don’t think I would use it but I have thought about it many times,” Federer said.
“I don’t think it is disrespectful.
“It is part of what you’re allowed to do. Anything in the rules is okay.”
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ten...&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain&obOrigUrl=true
Roger Federer reveals controversial tactic is 'totally possible' at French Open
Federer has admitted he could use the controversial underarm serve at the French Open- but it is unlikely
Tue, Jun 4, 2019
Roger Federer claims he has no problem with ditching the traditional overarm serve. The 20-time Grand Slam winner also revealed he has thought about copying Kyrgios in the past.
“Totally possible. I don’t think I would use it but I have thought about it many times,” Federer said.
“I don’t think it is disrespectful.
“It is part of what you’re allowed to do. Anything in the rules is okay.”
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/ten...&utm_campaign=traffic.outbrain&obOrigUrl=true
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Shaolin
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I think we are gonna see him throw a lot of stuff at Rafa...s&v, drop shots, return & volley... the kitchen sink. Anything but stay back and let him have his way with him.
Can't wait to see it play out.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Fed is so stubborn, you could guarantee him he would win the point and he still would not do it.
BeatlesFan
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In fact, the underarm serve issue was the very first question at his presser:
FedHeadComposer
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Definitely should try it. Greatest racquet skills of all time, surely he's got a crafty underhanded serve in his arsenal.
Nostradamus
Bionic Poster
Roger considered it Unsportsman like so he doesn't use it. He secretly thinks Kyrios is useless pile of junk in ATP. Roger never saids that cause he needs to use him for his Laver cup. Kyrios is just a tool for roger to use, nothing more.
Raining hopes
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Mark my words ? What is this MTF ?
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