Martina Navratilova won 21 WTA Finals (8 singles, 13 doubles)!!!!

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I was looking up the previous winners of the WTA finals and found that Martina had won 8 times and had additionally played in 6 other finals, and won 13 doubles finals, including ten with Pam Shriver!

I personally believe that Martina is the GOAT - when her singles and doubles success are added up she is the greatest of all time!!!!
 
Some factoids about Martina and her otherworldly dominance and longevity:
  • She won six consecutive grand slam singles from Wimbledon 1983 to US Open 1984 (W '83, US '83, AO '83, FO '84, W '84, US '84). At every one of those slams, she also won the women's doubles.
  • She won at least ten singles and ten doubles titles every year for nine consecutive seasons from 1978 to 1986. Her best was 1984, when she won 31 titles with a match record of 138-4.
  • She won her last slam less than six months before Barack Obama announced he would be running for President. When she won her first Richard Nixon was still in the White House.
  • She has a 100% winning record against the both the 1959 and 1999 Wimbledon champions (Maria Bueno and Lindsay Davenport).
 
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It all depends on what you do with those doubles and mixed doubles titles, and how much if any weight you are prepared to give them. The entire GOAT list alters considerably but Its hard to get people to talk objectively and clinically about that question.
 

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It all depends on what you do with those doubles and mixed doubles titles, and how much if any weight you are prepared to give them. The entire GOAT list alters considerably but Its hard to get people to talk objectively and clinically about that question.
style of play becomes a factor too. for the most part only a serve and volleyer would be able to rack up so many singles, doubles, and mixed titles
 

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style of play becomes a factor too. for the most part only a serve and volleyer would be able to rack up so many singles, doubles, and mixed titles
its a strange thing that for decades, many a devout and great baseliner seemed rather comfortable serving and charging on the doubles court round after round, seeing it as great practice for their volley, half volley and overhead, get some extra time on the court, getting a feel for their competitors serving and return patterns etc and yet remaining anchored to their primary set of tactics in singles. We have baseliners from Dorothea Lambert Chambers, through Mo Connolly through Evert and yes Graf, who not only could win those titles, but they did also win those titles. Their superior control and pace over their returns and touch on lobs, and tactical acumen, and steely nerve and concentration made up for some deficits. I think a big problem was that was the only reason they played the events -was as practice. These were disposable events - to be picked up or neglected as conveniences. Often such players did not put the same effort into choosing and retaining their partnerships as others. A loss in the quarters or semis actually had its own advantages in the second week of the singles. they almost never played mixed. I suspect many GOAT candidates could have collected more simply by entering more and caring more.

And then there are the exceptions like Francoise Durr, Hingis, Sanchez Vicario, Natasha Zvereva etc who were religious in their devotion and have plenty of cash, doubles cred, and hardware to show
 
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I was looking up the previous winners of the WTA finals and found that Martina had won 8 times and had additionally played in 6 other finals, and won 13 doubles finals, including ten with Pam Shriver!

I personally believe that Martina is the GOAT - when her singles and doubles success are added up she is the greatest of all time!!!!
well the phrase GOAT doesnt designate singles only (even tho some people imply it) so in that sense she has a case for it..
shes already in the running based on singles only. she and chris have won more than twice as many singles titles as serena..

WTA Tour records - Wikipedia
if you look at these records its kinda crazy how most people say serenas the greatest when all she basically has is one record,
(albeit what people deem the most important one), and that one is only if you take into account open era only
 
WTA Tour records - Wikipedia
if you look at these records its kinda crazy how most people say serenas the greatest when all she basically has is one record,
(albeit what people deem the most important one), and that one is only if you take into account open era only
I kinda only partly agree with this. On the one hand I concur that "she basically only has one record". However, look at her Wikipedia infobox; she's only an Australian and French mixed title away from completing the fifth Boxed Set in tennis history. It's what elevates her to being a genuine GOAT contender in my eyes. I sincerely hope that even if she doesn't equal Court's singles record, she emulates Navratilova and sticks around in her 40s to win those last two. For me, that'd be more historic and impressive than a Djokovic CYGS would have been.

(And for the record, I am indeed of the "Hell, yeah!" school with regards to whether doubles prowess counts towards GOAT credentials.)

 
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