Masha's A Blood Doper; What a Disgrace; Asterisks on Everything

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This was the one everyone was waiting for. Eventually the other shoe was going to drop and one of the top pros was going to be exposed. This is it. Cheating blood doper. The sad thing is that she would have gotten away with ten years of being a blood doper if she had just gotten it out of her system by January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Everything you need to know if right there. I feel sorry for Maria fans. You're favorite player is a blood-doping cheat. I understand the need for her fellow players to be nice to the person, Maria Sharapova. Yeah, she's a human. Nothing bad should happen to her. Let her go on with her life. But in the professional realm, we all now know she's a stone-cold blood-doping cheat. She was importing an illegal drug into the US for performance enhancing qualities. Look at the list of other top athletes that are getting busted on the same drug.

There's a lot a lot of *****-footing going on in the American press, and yeah, I get it, it's uncomfortable, she's human, it doesn't feel good to see someone exposed as a fraud. But anything less than a year ban from the WTA and ITF would be absolutely disgraceful.
 
winstonplum said:
This was the one everyone was waiting for. Eventually the other shoe was going to drop and one of the top pros was going to be exposed. This is it. Cheating blood doper. The sad thing is that she would have gotten away with ten years of being a blood doper if she had just gotten it out of her system by January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Everything you need to know if right there. I feel sorry for Maria fans. You're favorite player is a blood-doping cheat. I understand the need for her fellow players to be nice to the person, Maria Sharapova. Yeah, she's a human. Nothing bad should happen to her. Let her go on with her life. But in the professional realm, we all now know she's a stone-cold blood-doping cheat. She was importing an illegal drug into the US for performance enhancing qualities. Look at the list of other top athletes that are getting busted on the same drug.

There's a lot a lot of *****-footing going on in the American press, and yeah, I get it, it's uncomfortable, she's human, it doesn't feel good to see someone exposed as a fraud. But anything less than a year ban from the WTA and ITF would be absolutely disgraceful.
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Terrific Poast!
 
winstonplum said:
This was the one everyone was waiting for. Eventually the other shoe was going to drop and one of the top pros was going to be exposed. This is it. Cheating blood doper. The sad thing is that she would have gotten away with ten years of being a blood doper if she had just gotten it out of her system by January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Everything you need to know if right there. I feel sorry for Maria fans. You're favorite player is a blood-doping cheat. I understand the need for her fellow players to be nice to the person, Maria Sharapova. Yeah, she's a human. Nothing bad should happen to her. Let her go on with her life. But in the professional realm, we all now know she's a stone-cold blood-doping cheat. She was importing an illegal drug into the US for performance enhancing qualities. Look at the list of other top athletes that are getting busted on the same drug.

There's a lot a lot of *****-footing going on in the American press, and yeah, I get it, it's uncomfortable, she's human, it doesn't feel good to see someone exposed as a fraud. But anything less than a year ban from the WTA and ITF would be absolutely disgraceful.
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She's far from the only one. Your favorites are probably guilty as well. Have you ever thought about that? You should.
 
smoledman said:
You mad bro?
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Not in the slightest, bro. It's just mind-boggling how confused everyone seems to be about what happened. I know TT isn't a well of intellectual power, but come on, the "big pro" that everyone has been talking about for years getting caught, well, JUST GOT CAUGHT. She was blood-doping for ten years to get a professional edge. There's no place for that in tennis. Her "crisis management at its finest" as the New Yorker put it has put the zap on everyone's brain. It's like a frickin' Jedi mind-trick. She was a blood-doper for a professional edge. No better than Lance Armstrong. Not one whit better than Lance Armstrong.
 
cc0509 said:
She's far from the only one. Your favorites are probably guilty as well. Have you ever thought about that? You should.
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Sure, right, people like you have been posting that drivel for years. Wake me up when Nadal fails a blood test. Until then keep your tin-foil hat on tight and your eyes on on the sound studio where the Lunar landing happened. Silent bans, blood bags, unexplained injuries . . . keep on keeping on, buddy.
 
Blood doping - so why does the test for this drug involve urine? I think the poster needs to retract his suggestion. Did he even read the links he posted? It's all there about the urine test.
 
winstonplum said:
Sure, right, people like you have been posting that drivel for years. Wake me up when Nadal fails a blood test. Until then keep your tin-foil hat on tight and your eyes on on the sound studio where the Lunar landing happened. Silent bans, blood bags, unexplained injuries . . . keep on keeping on, buddy.
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Keep living in denial. We have more proof every day that all top athletes use something in every sport. People like you make me laugh. The top players have the funds to stay ahead of the drug testing and the authorities have been careful not to expose their big fish but Sharapova was careless and the authorities decided to make an example out of her for whatever reasons, probably because of all of the heavy talk at the AO from people who didn't think the authorities were doing anything to catch elite dopers and match fixers. If you think Sharapova is an isolated case, you need your head examined. It's not reasonable to think the way you do. Pro athletes dope. It's what they do. It's not my problem if you are ignorant to reality. You could make a case for Nadal, Djokovic, Federer,Serena,etc. as they all have suspicious things about them where you could easily conclude that they dope. It's not exactly rocket science.
 
Lol I didn't read the articles but going by op , do you make this type of claim for Agassi also or you will make some stupid excuse like it was recreational or friend spiked his juice etc etc.
The thing for which she got banned was hardly ped, it was best for endurance and if you go by manufacture report , he still don't believe this as a ped, Maria hardly wins many tournament always loosing to somebody here or there what a crap of ped she was taking .
 
Bartelby said:
General question: why post links to stories you haven't read when they directly contradict your argument?
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Come on, dude, I know you've got a bug up your ass about defending Sharapova, but give it a rest. You have know idea what you're even talking about. Here:

Blood doping is defined as the use of illicit products (i.e. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin-alfa,hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers) and methods (i.e. increase aerobic capacity by maximizing the uptake of O2) in order to enhance the O2 transport of the body to the muscles.[2]

I put it in bold for you so you don't get confused. Blood doping has nothing to do with syringes or blood, per se. I thought you would have known that. How about this, yes, from the articles above you clearly didn't take the time to read:

The website of the drug’s Latvian manufacturer Grindeks says meldonium gives sufferers of heart and circulatory conditions more “physical capacity and mental function” — and a similar boost to healthy people. Meldonium was banned because it aids oxygen uptake and endurance.

Or:

Many forms of blood doping stem from the misuse of pharmaceuticals. These drug treatments have been created for clinical use to increase the oxygen delivery when the human body is not able to do so naturally.

Or:

Meldonium helps increase blood flow and therefore increases the amount of oxygen taken into the body, which would allow athletes to recover faster while training.

Or:

That might also, in theory, suggest why the drug would help athletes. At maximum exertion, their cells might not be getting enough oxygen. Use of the drug might help switch the cells to burning glucose instead.

Go ahead and do your thing about the Canadians having it out for the Russians or WADA being run by Ben Johnson or whatever rhetorical curly cues your racing around the website doing. I don't even really care. I barely even post on here anymore, but after monitoring the website for last couple of days, I thought someone should come in and finally call a spade a spade. For years I have been reading this just absolutely horrific drivel about silent bans, unexplained injuries, suspicious endurance, blah, blah, blah and low and behold, finally, at long last, for better or for worse, one of the top athletes in the entire sport has been exposed as a career blood doper importing drugs in the US illegally in order to enhance her performance and everyone around here seem pathetically timid and confused. Apparently her handlers were spot on with their crisis management roll-out. Total mental breakdown form large segments of the press and athletic punditocracy in general.
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
Lol I didn't read the articles but going by op , do you make this type of claim for Agassi also or you will make some stupid excuse like it was recreational or friend spiked his juice etc etc.
The thing for which she got banned was hardly ped, it was best for endurance and if you go by manufacture report , he still don't believe this as a ped, Maria hardly wins many tournament always loosing to somebody here or there what a crap of ped she was taking .
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Awesome! So as long as you don't win it doesn't matter that you're a blood-doper.
 
I've never read a single report describe the drug she took as a case of blood doping, so maybe they are all wrong and you are right.

At the moment, I'm inclined to believe you're wrong and you have no references to back your argument as well as an aggressive self-confidence often found in people who know nothing.
 
I don't know how to connect the dots any clearer for you, mate. To each his own.

Stunning what a good crisis management roll-out can do. Lance has got to be kicking himself from here to the Champs-Eleysees.
 
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Nadal said Sharapova deserves to be punished as an example to others.

"It is difficult to imagine that something like this can happen. But mistakes happen," he said. "She should be punished.

"I want to believe it is a mistake for Maria. She didn't want to do it. But obviously it is negligence. She must pay for it."
 
MichaelNadal said:
Nadal said Sharapova deserves to be punished as an example to others.

"It is difficult to imagine that something like this can happen. But mistakes happen," he said. "She should be punished.

"I want to believe it is a mistake for Maria. She didn't want to do it. But obviously it is negligence. She must pay for it."
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All of these guys are saying that. They are all trying to bunker down and protect the sport. I understand that.
 
I'm out. Good luck. I feel sorry for the woman. She has no place in the sport for at least a year. Wake me up if Rafa makes it to the 3rd round of a tournament.
 
An american nationalist pot calling the kettle black.

If you look through my posts you will see that I think it's more probably that Sharapova took this drug for performance-related reasons.

But don't let ideology get in the way of facts!

insideguy said:
Bartelby is basically a russian nationalist. Nothing is russias fault and no one from russia could possibly do anything wrong.
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winstonplum said:
This was the one everyone was waiting for. Eventually the other shoe was going to drop and one of the top pros was going to be exposed. This is it. Cheating blood doper. The sad thing is that she would have gotten away with ten years of being a blood doper if she had just gotten it out of her system by January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/s...=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

Everything you need to know if right there. I feel sorry for Maria fans. You're favorite player is a blood-doping cheat. I understand the need for her fellow players to be nice to the person, Maria Sharapova. Yeah, she's a human. Nothing bad should happen to her. Let her go on with her life. But in the professional realm, we all now know she's a stone-cold blood-doping cheat. She was importing an illegal drug into the US for performance enhancing qualities. Look at the list of other top athletes that are getting busted on the same drug.

There's a lot a lot of *****-footing going on in the American press, and yeah, I get it, it's uncomfortable, she's human, it doesn't feel good to see someone exposed as a fraud. But anything less than a year ban from the WTA and ITF would be absolutely disgraceful.
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winstonplum

Importing huh? As much as she travels, I doubt she would need to import. Just buy it where legal.

However, because of you, an others like you, I still have to hear her grunts and other obnoxious noises through you. Give it a rest please!

Tennis is the only thing diminished here. Wow, what I would give for the Sixties, a few drunks hitting home runs and tennis put aways.

Aloha
 
tennis_pro said:
Who cares about the wta anyway
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:p
 
MichaelNadal said:
Nadal said Sharapova deserves to be punished as an example to others.

"It is difficult to imagine that something like this can happen. But mistakes happen," he said. "She should be punished.

"I want to believe it is a mistake for Maria. She didn't want to do it. But obviously it is negligence. She must pay for it."
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His time will come, don't worry
 
winstonplum said:
Come on, dude, I know you've got a bug up your ass about defending Sharapova, but give it a rest. You have know idea what you're even talking about.
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True.

Here:

Blood doping is defined as the use of illicit products (i.e. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin-alfa,hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers) and methods (i.e. increase aerobic capacity by maximizing the uptake of O2) in order to enhance the O2 transport of the body to the muscles.[2]

I put it in bold for you so you don't get confused. Blood doping has nothing to do with syringes or blood, per se. I thought you would have known that. How about this, yes, from the articles above you clearly didn't take the time to read:

The website of the drug’s Latvian manufacturer Grindeks says meldonium gives sufferers of heart and circulatory conditions more “physical capacity and mental function” — and a similar boost to healthy people. Meldonium was banned because it aids oxygen uptake and endurance.

Or:

Many forms of blood doping stem from the misuse of pharmaceuticals. These drug treatments have been created for clinical use to increase the oxygen delivery when the human body is not able to do so naturally.

Or:

Meldonium helps increase blood flow and therefore increases the amount of oxygen taken into the body, which would allow athletes to recover faster while training.

Or:

That might also, in theory, suggest why the drug would help athletes. At maximum exertion, their cells might not be getting enough oxygen. Use of the drug might help switch the cells to burning glucose instead.

Go ahead and do your thing about the Canadians having it out for the Russians or WADA being run by Ben Johnson or whatever rhetorical curly cues your racing around the website doing. I don't even really care. I barely even post on here anymore, but after monitoring the website for last couple of days, I thought someone should come in and finally call a spade a spade. For years I have been reading this just absolutely horrific drivel about silent bans, unexplained injuries, suspicious endurance, blah, blah, blah and low and behold, finally, at long last, for better or for worse, one of the top athletes in the entire sport has been exposed as a career blood doper importing drugs in the US illegally in order to enhance her performance and everyone around here seem pathetically timid and confused. Apparently her handlers were spot on with their crisis management roll-out. Total mental breakdown form large segments of the press and athletic punditocracy in general.
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Remember winstonplum, it is all some massive, anti-Russian / Sharapova conspiracy...nevermind that there's not an ounce of evidence to support that nationalistic nonsense.
 
Navdeep Srivastava said:
Lol I didn't read the articles but going by op , do you make this type of claim for Agassi also or you will make some stupid excuse like it was recreational or friend spiked his juice etc etc.
The thing for which she got banned was hardly ped, it was best for endurance and if you go by manufacture report , he still don't believe this as a ped, Maria hardly wins many tournament always loosing to somebody here or there what a crap of ped she was taking .
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I'm not defending OP, but Agassi's drug use was not performance related.
 
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Guys, word on the ether is that she was warned FIVE times! FIVE times! If that is true, this just went from negligence to something else. Come on! FIVE TIMES! If that's true then anything shorter than a year's ban would be too lenient.
 
So many dummy bullets shot at Maria in such a short period of time. Apart from the most recent months, everything she achieved is absolutely deserved and legit. The Career Masha Slam will stand forever, you better be mad haters. :cool:

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phnx90 said:
Meldonium wasn't banned until 1 January this year, so her use prior to that isn't cheating at all.

The only question worth debating is whether she was truly oblivious to the change as she claims.
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Small correction. She was legally cheating since it was not in the banned drugs list. So yes, she was using it to enhance oxygen intake or indirectly her endurance to have a competitive edge over her peers. Should be handed a ban for 4 years. Imagine about other athletes who have gone down playing the right way and never winning slams.

Or in other words imagine her opponents who could not sustain 3 sets of Grinding tennis that she has been doing and walking away to winner's podium or GS finals or winning Grandslams itself. What a disgrace!!
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
So many dummy bullets shot at Maria in such a short period of time. Apart from the most recent months, everything she achieved is absolutely deserved and legit. The Career Masha Slam will stand forever, you better be mad haters. :cool:

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Lol. You don't really believe that, do you?

Also, madness is the furthest thing from what her haters are feeling right now. I'd say glee, joy, happiness, relief, joy, vindication - did I mention "joy"?
 
Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil said:
You know that saying - Everything that isn't forbidden is allowed. ;) And what we know is that substance was allowed until recently.
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Tell you what. I'm going to go read the by-law that prohibits the use of performance enhancing drugs. I cannot be sure, but I think there was never intended to be an exhaustive list of banned substances.
 
Whatever Berdych says is very appropriate here:
Tomas Berdych: "If you are not taking anything, then you don't have to look at the list, right? So if I'm supposed to take any medicine, whatever it is, and it's new and that I haven't taken in the past, the No. 1 thing I'm going to do is check it 10 times, all the different sources, doctors, this, that, everywhere I can, before I start using. And then I will find out what's new with WADA and the list."

Why try to circumvent the system to begin with? Be clean. 10 years of preventive diabetes...my A $ $
 
Levi_Ackerman said:
Tell you what. I'm going to go read the byelaw that prohibits the use of performance enhancing drugs. I cannot be sure, but I think there was never intended to be an exhaustive list of banned substances.
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Just to be clear, I am not defending her for continuing to use meldonium after it got banned. Whether she was aware of the change or not, she deserves to be punished. However I would bet that if she stopped using that stuff when it got banned none of these discussions would happen and there would be no asterisk attempts.
In the future we might see some of the substances that were allowed before get banned or the opposite, some banned substances might become legal. And who knows, maybe in a decade or so some substances that for example Fedalovic used will no longer be allowed. Will that make them cheaters? Not a chance.
 
winstonplum said:
Come on, dude, I know you've got a bug up your ass about defending Sharapova, but give it a rest. You have know idea what you're even talking about. Here:

Blood doping is defined as the use of illicit products (i.e. erythropoietin (EPO), darbepoetin-alfa,hypoxia-inducible factor (HIF) stabilizers) and methods (i.e. increase aerobic capacity by maximizing the uptake of O2) in order to enhance the O2 transport of the body to the muscles.[2]

I put it in bold for you so you don't get confused. Blood doping has nothing to do with syringes or blood, per se. I thought you would have known that. How about this, yes, from the articles above you clearly didn't take the time to read:

The website of the drug’s Latvian manufacturer Grindeks says meldonium gives sufferers of heart and circulatory conditions more “physical capacity and mental function” — and a similar boost to healthy people. Meldonium was banned because it aids oxygen uptake and endurance.

Or:

Many forms of blood doping stem from the misuse of pharmaceuticals. These drug treatments have been created for clinical use to increase the oxygen delivery when the human body is not able to do so naturally.

Or:

Meldonium helps increase blood flow and therefore increases the amount of oxygen taken into the body, which would allow athletes to recover faster while training.

Or:

That might also, in theory, suggest why the drug would help athletes. At maximum exertion, their cells might not be getting enough oxygen. Use of the drug might help switch the cells to burning glucose instead.

Go ahead and do your thing about the Canadians having it out for the Russians or WADA being run by Ben Johnson or whatever rhetorical curly cues your racing around the website doing. I don't even really care. I barely even post on here anymore, but after monitoring the website for last couple of days, I thought someone should come in and finally call a spade a spade. For years I have been reading this just absolutely horrific drivel about silent bans, unexplained injuries, suspicious endurance, blah, blah, blah and low and behold, finally, at long last, for better or for worse, one of the top athletes in the entire sport has been exposed as a career blood doper importing drugs in the US illegally in order to enhance her performance and everyone around here seem pathetically timid and confused. Apparently her handlers were spot on with their crisis management roll-out. Total mental breakdown form large segments of the press and athletic punditocracy in general.
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I am sorry but your arguments actually make you sound ignorant and I can set you straight on the issues here. You are entitled to your opinon but you seem only able to google a few things without any scientific or clinical understanding. I am a physician -scientist at one of the top med schools in the US and die hard tennis fan. To be clear, I am not a Masha fan to begin with. Overall a great player but her lack respect for her opponents, her noise etc, I am not a fan off but this case I believe the media is overblown and even the Associated Press article at tennis.com is completely without research or merit. I admit that the first thing I did was research it myself since I was not aware of the chemical qualities and what I found was astounding absence of data with any merit

To start there is NO conclusive evidence that meldonium does anything to enhance an athlete's performance. There are small unverified studies in animals but has never been subjected to vigorous human studies. You can start by reading the pudmed citation below

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25847280

Although it is summary let me quote the most important line. " Due to the growing body of evidence (black market products and athlete statements) concerning its misuse in sport, adequate test methods for the reliable identification of Mildronate are required". I am sorry but athlete statements and black market products mean nothing at in a scientific setting. This article is written primarily to go through the analytical means of detecting the substance. You can give an athlete any product and a placebo effect may kick in and they start believing that it is doing something for them when in essence it could be just a sugar pill.

No one knows why WADA placed it on a banned list after it being around for so long but IMO it is likely geo-political in nature. Having detected it in many athletes coming from a region probably raise some alarm bells and they might have decided to add it while the scientific proof has yet to catch up as well as to throw caution to the wind. Masha may have decided to also continue taking it due to her background in Russia as well as her notorious OCD tendencies but once again who knows. She may have started out taking it and noticed some wins and never wanted to stop it even though there is no long term safety studies as well. Although it a substance that is not FDA approved, it is not illegal , there is a big difference. There are a ton of drugs that are for off label use as well as not available in the US due to regulation but it does not make it illegal once again

In summary there is a lot speculation and nothing more, however it complete ignorance to say that it discounts everything she has done in the sport etc. Fortunately Head decided to keep her and there more sense from them than even the media at large.
 
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