Match points saved and squandered by the Big Four

DSH said:
The technique of his backhand is not very good to say.
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It held up well for the most part! He made Murray work even though his BH was being relentlessly attacked! I was impressed and surprised Matteo didn't finish off Sir Andy! :whistle:
 
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Fiero425 said:
It held up well for the most part! He made Murray work even though his BH was being relentlessly attack! I was impressed and surprised Matteo didn't finish off Sir Andy! :whistle:
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All his rivals know that sooner rather than later the Italian's backhand will end up giving up.
:(
 
Yeah, that was a massive fail on MP but Berry is just like the majority of the tour (and amateurs too!) that have stronger forehands than backhands. I think he might be better suited to go exclusively ohbh than to try “switch hitting” from one to two hands, particularly when rushed like that MP. He had several points he earned with solid slicing and lobbing so he can definitely lose that left hand, kinda like Wilander adapting mid-career to hitting a lot of ohbhs.

Paire is about the only pro I can say I’ve often seen run around his FH to hit a BH, the antithesis of a lot of plus-one players like Matteo. Before Berry got so prominent it was Sock that always got major flak for his non-existent BH. He just rarely got the chance to show off his fail vs the Big Four.
 
Andy saves 3 more against Sonego in Doha, all on his serve at 5-4* in the third, at *15-40 and *40-AD

The one at 15-40 Sonego had a chance but missed an inside out FH. Two unreturned serves on the other ones though
 
Djokovic was going to make this list either way today

He saved a match point at 6-5* in the second set tiebreaker, only to waste four more in the third set (two on the Alcaraz serve at 5-3* and two more on his serve at *5-4)

Eventually pulls through with a 5–7, 7–6(7), 7–6(4) win
 
Murray wastes three match points against de Minaur in Beijing, two on de Minaur's serve at 5-2 in the third, and one on his own serve at 6-5 in the tiebreaker

He also wastes his best chance at scoring a win against de Minaur. Now 0-5 in his career against the Aussie (one of those losses is a Laver Cup match)
 
The best thing of this thread for me, is that the Federer's count of matches he lost after squandering match points has already been closed in 24.
 
jm1980 said:
Murray wastes three match points against de Minaur in Beijing, two on de Minaur's serve at 5-2 in the third, and one on his own serve at 6-5 in the tiebreaker

He also wastes his best chance at scoring a win against de Minaur. Now 0-5 in his career against the Aussie (one of those losses is a Laver Cup match)
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De Minaur now joins a select circle consisting only of himself and a certain Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in being the only players to score 5 successive victories against Murray.
 
Mainad said:
De Minaur now joins a select circle consisting only of himself and a certain Federer, Nadal and Djokovic in being the only players to score 5 successive victories against Murray.
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Lucky me, I woke up just in time to see this match! Why does Murray bother? He just doesn't & won't ever "have it" again! :rolleyes: :giggle: :sneaky: :-D :happydevil:
 
jm1980 said:
Murray wastes three match points against de Minaur in Beijing, two on de Minaur's serve at 5-2 in the third, and one on his own serve at 6-5 in the tiebreaker

He also wastes his best chance at scoring a win against de Minaur. Now 0-5 in his career against the Aussie (one of those losses is a Laver Cup match)
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Still trying that stupid defensive game thinking he can just out-physical an opponent! It's like he doesn't know how old he is! What a goof! :rolleyes: :giggle::sneaky::happydevil:
 
Kinda crazy that Federer only has 5 seasons of play (not including 2020 where he only played one event) which don’t feature a blown MP since the turn of the millennium (out of 21 total).
 
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Murray blows another MP against de Minaur.

Up 5-2 in the third, Murray loses 5 games in a row and blows a MP up 40-30 on his serve
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Mainad said:
Kind of hard to believe that's what he's like these days, isn't it? :oops:
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It's certainly a 2-way street scenario where he definitely seems like he loses more matches mentally than physically. Is that better or worse??? Can't be better as a fan.
 
BGod said:
It's certainly a 2-way street scenario where he definitely seems like he loses more matches mentally than physically. Is that better or worse??? Can't be better as a fan.
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Physical issues would be more understandable than mental ones. Why on earth can't he close out matches against De Minaur??? :unsure:
 
jm1980 said:
Djokovic blows 3 in a row on Sinner's serve, from 2-6 6-2 5-4* *0-40

First match lost from MP up since 2018 Queen's F, and first one with multiple MP since 2009 Madrid SF
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Zzz, it's the freaking Piqué Cup guys. Nobody cares about this competition anymore since 2019. I only watched a few minutes to see how Nole was playing but I wouldn't have bothered otherwise. 99% of the tennis fans wouldn't even be able to tell us who won the trophy last year or in 2021, that's how meaningless it's become.. It lost all its value with this new format. It's always sad to lose a match after missing MP but better this than the Adelaïde or Cincinnati finals, huh,... both won after saving MP. Hopefully he learns the lesson and skips this worthless competition next year. Enjoying a Slam or WTF trophy with his family should be more important than this...
 
nolefam_2024 said:
I hope not. If he wins RG then Carlito is a big flop. It's his time now, already beaten by Nole last year now he should not allow others to dominate him on clay.
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If i don’t think 36 year old Novak will ever win RG again, I can’t see dinasoar Nadal doing it again
 
Three more wasted by Nadal against Thompson in the second set (all on return):

*4-5 *30-40; then two more at *4-6, and 5-6 in the TB
 
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Had to do some reformatting but managed to fit all four in the original post (TTW has a 10,000 character limit)

If these guys keep adding to the list I'm going to have put Murray's numbers in another post :(
 
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jm1980 said:
Had to do some reformatting but managed to fit all four in the original post (TTW has a 10,000 character limit)

If these guys keep adding to the list I'm going to have put Murray's numbers in another post :(
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in the opening post it says Djokovic is 3-0 in GS when having or facing match points but it should be 5-0 (3x won vs Federer, 1x Tsonga, 1x Garcia-Lopez). Please fix, thx. And great work compiling/researching.
 
jm1980 said:
NOTE 1: Sources affiliated with Simon Graf claim Federer had a match point against Nicolas Escude in their 2002 Rotterdam QF. This is impossible based on other independent sources. See explanation here
NOTE 2: There is conflicting information on the number of match points in Djokovic v. Garcia Lopez. See this post here

Observations:

FEDERER:
  • Match Won while saving Match point/Match Lost while having Match point: 22-24
  • Matchpoints Saved/Wasted: 62-48
  • Matches Won/Lost in GS: 4-5
  • Titles won after saving MP: '05 Dubai, '06 Halle, '14 Shanghai, '17 Miami (4)
  • Lost 1 Match with 4 MP or more (5MP)
  • Saved 6 Matches with 4 MP or more (7MP, 7MP, 4MP, 4MP, 5MP, 4MP)
  • Wasted Match Points twice against: Djokovic (thrice!), Berdych, Haas
  • WTF?! Match Point moment: Saving 7 MP twice, against Scott Draper ('03 Cincy) and Tennys Sandgren ('20 AO)
  • WTF?! Match Point moment 2: Losing twice with 2 MP against Djokovic in a GS Semifinal
  • WTF?! Match Point moment 3: Losing with 2 MP against Djokovic in a GS Final
NADAL:
  • Match Won while saving Match point/Match Lost while having Match point: 17-9
  • Matchpoints Saved/Wasted: 38-25
  • Titles won after saving MP: '06 Rome, '09 Indian Wells, '10 Tokyo, '14 Rio, '17 Beijing, '21 Barcelona, '21 Rome (7)
  • Lost 1 Match with 4MP or more (5MP)
  • Saved 4 Matches with 4 MP or more (4MP x2, 5MP x2)
DJOKOVIC:
  • Match Won while saving Match point/Match Lost while having Match point: 17-4
  • Matchpoints Saved/Wasted: 49-10
  • Matches Won/Lost in GS: 3-0
  • Titles won after saving MP: '07 Vienna, '09 Basel, '11 US Open, '12 Shanghai, '17 Doha, '19 Wimbledon, '20 Dubai, '23 Adelaide, '23 Cincy (9)
  • Saved 5 Matches with 4 MP or more (6MP, 5MP, 4MP, 5MP, 5MP)
  • Saved Match Point thrice against: Federer
  • WTF?! Match Point moment: Saving 5 MP in a final against Murray
  • WTF?! Match Point moment 2: Saving 2 MP twice against Federer in a GS semifinal
  • WTF?! Match Point moment 3: Saving 2 MP against Federer in a GS final
MURRAY:
  • Match Won while saving Match point/Match Lost while having Match point: 16-8
  • Matchpoints Saved/Wasted: 44-22
  • Titles won after saving MP: '07 St. Petersburg, '13 Miami, '14 Shenzhen, '14 Valencia, '16 London WTF, '17 Dubai (6)
  • Saved 3 Matches with 5 MP or more (7MP, 5MP x3)
  • Saved Match Point Twice against: Robredo
  • Wasted match points three tournaments in a row ('12 Tokyo, '12 Shanghai, '12 Paris)
  • WTF?! Match Point moment: Losing 2 Finals with Match Points
  • WTF?! Match Point moment 2: Saving 5 MP against Robredo in consecutive finals
MISC:
  • Raonic (Nadal/Murray), Berdych, Thiem, and Kyrgios (Nadal/Federer) have saved MP against two members of the Big 4.
  • Youzhny (Nadal/Murray) and Kohlschreiber (Djokovic/Murray) has wasted MP against two members of the Big 4
  • Federer has wasted MP against both Nadal and Djokovic
  • Federer (Chardy #25), Nadal (Calleri #16, Thiem #19) and Murray (Janowicz #15, Querrey #17) have wasted MP to players whose highest rank is outside top 10
  • Only Murray has not saved MP against a #1 Player (highest Ferrer #3)
  • Federer saved two match points in the round robin stages of the '03 Houston TMC and the '06 Shanghai TMC, but a loss wouldn't have knocked him out of the tournament in either edition
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www.abc.net.au

Djokovic makes quarters after Serra scare

World number four Novak Djokovic survived a nerve-wracking second-round scare against France's Florent Serra to book his place in the quarter-finals of Halle's ATP tournament overnight.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

"I have defended six match points in a game before a few years ago at Wimbledon, I broke into the top 100 after that and I am hoping this experience will also be a turning point."
 
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