Match points saved and squandered by the Big Four

[JoshuaPim]

Of course he is, at least for the Open era it's certain.

Even Connors' win total seems uncertain so I don't see how they can know how many MPs he saved or lost.

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Here we go again

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

Here we go again

Unbelievable!

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

This thread is being pushed to the limit lately in terms of needing upkeep.

 

[Red Rick]

This thread is being pushed to the limit lately in terms of needing upkeep.

 

[Otacon]

- 13th time Djoker wins a match after saving MP.
- 2nd time on clay after his win against Tsonga at RG 2014

 

[MajesticTennisManiac]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1129086938521186306

@jm1980
Third entry US Open 2000 against Peter Wessels missing on your chart.

 

[mike danny]

4th time in 1 week. Must be a record.

 

[Standaa]

Boy, this thread has been bumped so many times in just a week.

Still going strong.

Now it’s Nadal’s turn.

 

[TheAssassin]

Still going strong.

Now it’s Nadal’s turn.

If by Nadal's turn you mean him squandering MPs, I approve.

 

[jm1980]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1129086938521186306

@jm1980
Third entry US Open 2000 against Peter Wessels missing on your chart.

Looks like Fed himself forgot about it (after saving MPs against Monfils at the 2014 USO):

Afterward, Federer was still jazzed. He used the word "happy" eight times in postmatch news conference. "Over best of five," he said, "saving match points against Gael in an atmosphere that it was out here tonight, it's definitely very special. Not sure I have ever saved match point before in a Slam."

http://www.espn.com/tennis/usopen14...kei-nishikori-create-chaos-semifinal-saturday

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1129086938521186306

@jm1980
Third entry US Open 2000 against Peter Wessels missing on your chart.

'Missing'? I've never seen that match mentioned on the list before. Any contemporary source? To my knowledge, it wasn't televised, so there's no way to check directly. I'm sceptical about this and would suggest @jm1980 not to add it until we have a reliable source or multiple sources.

I see this source is Italian so I guess Italian news could be scouted, bless their tennis tradition...

 

[jm1980]

@AnOctorokForDinner I also found an ESPN source, although it's not clear where they got it from

 

[TheMaestro1990]

'Missing'? I've never seen that match mentioned on the list before. Any contemporary source? To my knowledge, it wasn't televised, so there's no way to check directly. I'm sceptical about this and would suggest @jm1980 not to add it until we have a reliable source or multiple sources.

I see this source is Italian so I guess Italian news could be scouted, bless their tennis tradition...

Here’s a source, an Italian interview with Wessels’:

http://www.spaziotennis.com/interv/...rer-in-passato-perdeva-spesso-le-staffe/48020

He’s talking about burning a match point in the third.

 

[jm1980]

Here’s a source, an Italian interview with Wessels’:

http://www.spaziotennis.com/interv/...rer-in-passato-perdeva-spesso-le-staffe/48020

He’s talking about burning a match point in the third.

Fed won the third 6-3 so he couldn't have had a match point there

Maybe in the fourth

 

[TheMaestro1990]

Fed won the third 6-3 so he couldn't have had a match point there

Maybe in the fourth

You’re right. He is saying it is in the third in the article though. Maybe even he doesn’t remember what happened

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

@AnOctorokForDinner I also found an ESPN source, although it's not clear where they got it from

Looks like it did happen then. Nice one. Makes you remember how little we generally know of XX century tennis, even extending to late 00s, below the big matches and players.

 

[MajesticTennisManiac]

Fed won the third 6-3 so he couldn't have had a match point there

Maybe in the fourth

http://voodemar.com/uo/2000-us-open/

Doesn't mention the MP but Wessels was one game away in the 4th set probably 4-5 on Federers serve

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

@jm1980 update fella
******** saved 2 m.p. vs Jmdp

 

[Lew II]

13 won saving mp, only 3 lost wasting mp.

Epic

 

[Mkiske]

Fantastic job!, @jm1980

 

[Mkiske]

Djoko Phoenix!

 

[tennisaddict]

Bump....

 

[Sudacafan]

Bump....

I was waiting for this. Why did it take so long today?

 

[Sudacafan]

–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
                                  ***FEDERER***          

MP WASTED (22)             

2019 Wimbledon       F    Djokovic       7–6(5), 1–6, 7–6(4), 4–6, 13–12(3) (2MP)
2019 Madrid          QF   Thiem          6–3, 6–7(11), 4–6                  (2MP)
2018 Wimbledon       QF   Anderson       6–2, 7–6(5), 5–7, 4–6, 11–13       (1MP)
2018 Indian Wells    F    del Potro      4–6, 7–6(8), 6–7(2)                (3MP)
2017 Stuttgart       R16  Haas           6–2, 6–7(8), 4–6                   (1MP)
2017 Dubai           R16  Donskoy        6–3, 6–7(7), 6–7(5)                (3MP)
2016 Stuttgart       SF   Thiem          6–3, 6–7(7), 4–6                   (2MP)
2015 Madrid          R32  Kyrgios        7–6(2), 6–7(5), 6–7(12)            (2MP)
2014 Rome            R32  Chardy         6–1, 3–6, 6–7(6)                   (1MP)
2013 Dubai           SF   Berdych        6–3, 6–7(8), 4–6                   (3MP)
2011 US Open         SF   Djokovic       7–6(7), 6–4, 3–6, 2–6, 5–7         (2MP)
2010 Paris           SF   Monfils        6–7(7), 7–6(1), 6–7(4)             (5MP)!
2010 US Open         SF   Djokovic       7–5, 1–6, 7–5, 2–6, 5–7            (2MP)
2010 Miami           R16  Berdych        4–6, 7–6(3), 6–7(6)                (1MP)
2010 Indian Wells    R32  Baghdatis      7–5, 5–7, 6–7(4)                   (3MP)
2006 Rome            F    Nadal          7–6(0), 6–7(5), 4–6, 6–2, 6–7(5)   (2MP)
2005 Monte Carlo     QF   Gasquet        7–6(1), 2–6, 6–7(8)                (3MP)
2005 Aus Open        SF   Safin          7–5, 4–6, 7–5, 6–7(6), 7–9         (1MP)
2003 Miami           QF   Costa          6–7(4), 6–4, 6–7(7)                (3MP)
2002 Aus Open        R16  Haas           6–7(3), 6–4, 6–3, 4–6, 6–8         (1MP)
2001 Halle           QF   Rafter         6–4, 6–7(6), 6–7(4)                (1MP)
2000 Vienna          SF   Henman         6–2, 6–7(4), 3–6                   (2MP)

MP SAVED (21)
        
2019 Rome            R16  Coric          2–6, 6–4, 7–6(7)                   (2MP)
2019 Madrid          R16  Monfils        6–0, 4–6, 7–6(3)                   (2MP)
2018 Halle           R16  Paire          6–3, 3–6, 7–6(7)                   (2MP)
2017 Miami           QF   Berdych        6–2, 3–6, 7–6(6)                   (2MP)
2016 Wimbledon       QF   Cilic          6–7(4), 4–6, 6–3, 7–6(9), 6–3      (3MP)
2014 London WTF      SF   Wawrinka       4–6, 7–5, 7–6(6)                   (4MP)
2014 Shanghai        R32  Mayer          7–5, 3–6, 7–6(7)                   (5MP)
2014 US Open         QF   Monfils        4–6, 3–6, 6–4, 7–5, 6–2            (2MP)
2011 Madrid          R32  López          7–6(13), 6–7(1), 7–6(7)            (1MP)
2006 Shanghai TMC    RR   Roddick        4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4                   (3MP)
2006 Halle           QF   Rochus         6–7(2), 7–6(9), 7–6(5)             (4MP)
2005 Dubai           R16  Ferrero        4–6, 6–3, 7–6(6)                   (2MP)
2003 Houston TMC     RR   Agassi         6–7(3), 6–3, 7–6(7)                (2MP)
2003 Paris           R16  Verkerk        6–7(3), 7–6(12), 7–6(6)            (4MP)
2003 Cincinnati      R64  Draper         4–6, 6–3, 7–6(10)                  (7MP)!!
2001 Vienna          R32  Massú          4–6, 7–6(8), 6–4                   (3MP)
2001 Miami           R16  Johansson      7–6(3), 5–7, 7–6(7)                (1MP)
2000 Basel           SF   Hewitt         6–4, 5–7, 7–6(6)                   (1MP)
2000 US Open         R128 Wessels        4–6, 4–6, 6–3, 7–5, 3–4 RET        (1MP)
2000 Marseille       QF   Ljubicic       6–2, 3–6, 7–6(5)                   (2MP)
1999 Rotterdam       R32  Raoux          6–7(4), 7–5, 7–6(3)                (2MP)

Interesting stats. Fed is the GOAT of squandered match points. Nobody can match the quantity and the importance of his squanderings.
His collection includes lost matches at Wimbledon, AO an USO twice on each (6 slam matches including 1 lost final and 3 lost semifinals). You have M1000’s as well in the mix.
He only needs to have one match lost at the French Open after having match point to achieve a Career Grand Slam of Squandered MP’s.
He did not taint these wonderful stats coming back from match point down in any tournament finals.
Really impressive.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

You forgot to reverse the score for the Wim final... 6-7(5) 6-1 6-7(4) 6-4 12-13(3)
Golly!
"Grand Slam of Squandered MPs" oh yes, we need that to happen.

 

[Born Again]

Nole is just so out of this world...

 

[Duncan Donuts]

Wow Fed. Have to sprint through the tape....

 

[Mark-Touch]

He didn't.
Fed turned it around by choking.

 

[beltsman]

How did Djokovic turn the match around?
http://us.blastingnews.com/opinion/2019/07/3-reasons-why-djokovic-won-wimbledon-2019-002948129.html

stop posting your garbage clickbait.

 

[tennisaddict]

I was waiting for this. Why did it take so long today?

6 matches in majors lost having had MP. I think even @jm1980 took pity on Fed for blowing CP and didnt bump this one

 

[Mark-Touch]

If my source is accurate, Fed achieved something very special today with his loss.

Only twice before has a player fallen victim to a M.P.(s) thief in a Wimbledon final who then went on to win.

In 1927 Henri Cochet stole 6 M.P's fromJean Borotra and won the Wimbledon Final.
In 1948 Bob Falkenburg stole 3 M.P's from John Bromwich and won the Wimbledon Final.
In 2019 Djoker stole 2 M.P's from Federer and won the Wimbledon Final.

Fed, always looking to set, tie or simply be part of rare records!

 

[Sudacafan]

If my source is accurate, Fed achieved something very special today with his loss.

Only twice before has a player fallen victim to a M.P.(s) thief in a Wimbledon final who then went on to win.

In 1927 Henri Cochet stole 6 M.P's fromJean Borotra and won the Wimbledon Final.
In 1948 Bob Falkenburg stole 3 M.P's from John Bromwich and won the Wimbledon Final.
In 2019 Djoker stole 2 M.P's from Federer and won the Wimbledon Final.

Fed, always looking to set or tie or simply be part of rare records!

I think there is no record in tennis history of a player giving away 3 matches with multiple match points to the same opponent in GS tournaments, that happening in two semifinals and one finals. That’s unique.

 

[jm1980]

6 matches in majors lost having had MP. I think even @jm1980 took pity on Fed for blowing CP and didnt bump this one

I'm so emotionally drained from it that I didn't even have the energy to bump several threads I was going to bump

For what it's worth, I thought Fed was the better player for most of the match. This must suck... I don't know how I would've dealt it with if the roles were reversed

 

[tennisaddict]

I'm so emotionally drained from it that I didn't even have the energy to bump several threads I was going to bump

For what it's worth, I thought Fed was the better player for most of the match. This must suck

It does. But we have to look at this in the context of pre match expectations. Djoker gifts majors to Andy Murray and Stan. I genuinely thought it was Fed's turn today. Alas, did not happen.

But IMO, Novak deserved it as much as Fed.

 

[Red Rick]

Matchpointerer should be a much bigger meme tham breakpointerer

 

[BGod]

14-3 now for Novak while Fed falls below .500

 

[tennisaddict]

@jm1980 Do you have stats as to how many MP were lost on serve and how many MP saved on opponent's serve ?

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/cet4ja

Apparently we have two new additions, 2001 Paris 2R vs Jiri Novak and 2002 Rotterdam QF vs Nicolas Escude (1 MP missed both times). Could anyone pull any older sources on that?

 

[jm1980]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tennis/comments/cet4ja

Apparently we have two new additions, 2001 Paris 2R vs Jiri Novak and 2002 Rotterdam QF vs Nicolas Escude (1 MP missed both times). Could anyone pull any older sources on that?

I saw this post but couldn't find sources corroborating that Fed had MP in these matches. I'm hesitant to add them to the list until I can find more sources. I even tried looking into Swiss and German sources

I was able to find a report on the Escude match, which says he was down 3-5 in the TB but won 3 straight points (for 6-5). But it doesn't say if Fed had a MP at 7-6 or 8-7.

 

[jm1980]

@jm1980 Do you have stats as to how many MP were lost on serve and how many MP saved on opponent's serve ?

No, it might add it at some point, but it would bother me that the stats would be incomplete for older matches

 

[jm1980]

One of the biggest chokes in recent memory by Medvedev... Nadal wins after being down 1-5 30-*40 in the third

 

[Standaa]

One of the biggest chokes in recent memory by Medvedev... Nadal wins after being down 1-5 *40-30 in the third

30-40 no?

 

[DMTNA]

Wow. I just can't believe it.

 

[Lew II]

DJOKOVIC:

• Matchpoints Saved/Wasted: 44-7

Epic.

@MichaelNadal

 

[wang07]

well well well..

 

[BVSlam]

Is Fed overcompensating for what happened at Wimby now?

 

[jm1980]

well well well..

Stunning

 

[megamind]

Wow. I just can't believe it.

how I feel about Tennys losing 7 match points to Matchpointerer

 

[jm1980]

Djokovic maintains his unbeaten record against Monfils after another escape