Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Saceanu, Wimbledon fourth round, 1992

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
Andre Agassi beat Christian Saceanu 7-6(1), 6-1, 7-6(0) in the Wimbledon fourth round, 1992 on grass

Agassi would go onto win the event for the only time, beating Goran Ivanisevic in the final. It would be his maiden Slam title. Saceanu was a qualifier who’d won both his career titles on grass

Agassi won 119 points, Saceanu 83

Saceanu serve-volleyed off all serves, bar 1 second serve

Serve Stats
Agassi...
- 1st serve percentage (63/90) 70%
- 1st serve points won (48/63) 76%
- 2nd serve points won (19/27) 70%
- Aces 6
- Double Faults 1
- Unreturned Serve Percentage (32/90) 36%

Saceanu...
- 1st serve percentage (72/112) 64%
- 1st serve points won (43/72) 60%
- 2nd serve points won (17/40) 43%
- Aces 5 (1 not clean), Service Winners 1
- Double Faults 3
- Unreturned Serve Percentage (31/112) 28%

Serve Patterns
Agassi served...
- to FH 47%
- to BH 52%
- to Body 1%

Saceanu served...
- to FH 55%
- to BH 36%
- to Body 9%

Return Stats
Agassi made...
- 78 (49 FH, 29 BH), including 2 runaround FHs
- 20 Winners (13 FH, 7 BH), including 1 runaround FH
- 25 Errors, all forced...
- 25 Forced (13 FH, 12 BH)
- Return Rate (78/109) 72%

Saceanu made...
- 57 (27 FH, 30 BH), including 1 runaround FH & 6 return-approaches
- 5 Winners (3 FH, 2 BH), including 1 runaround FH
- 26 Errors, comprising...
- 15 Unforced (7 FH, 8 BH), including 2 return-approach attempts
- 11 Forced (8 FH, 3 BH)
- Return Rate (57/89) 64%

Break Points
Agassi 4/7 (6 games)
Saceanu 1/3 (1 game)

Winners (including returns, excluding serves)
Agassi 49 (24 FH, 16 BH, 3 FHV, 5 BHV, 1 OH)
Saceanu 27 (8 FH, 2 BH, 11 FHV, 1 BHV, 5 OH)

Agassi had 33 passes - 19 returns (12 FH, 7 BH) & 14 regular (8 FH, 6 BH)
- FH returns - 2 cc (1 runaround), 1 cc/lob (a mishit), 3 inside-out, 4 inside-in, 2 inside-in/longline
- BH returns - 2 cc, 1 dtl, 1 inside-out, 3 inside-in
- regular FHs - 3 cc (1 at net - probably not-clean and hits Saceanu), 2 dtl, 1 inside-out, 1 inside-in, 1 longline
- regular BHs - 3 cc, 1 dtl, 1 inside-out, 1 inside-out/dtl,

- 2 BHVs were played net-to-net and can reasonably be called passes

- regular (non-pass) FHs - 3 cc (1 return), 1 dtl
- regular BHs - 2 cc, 1 dtl slice

Saceanu had 18 from serve-volley points -
- 10 first 'volleys' (6 FHV, 1 BHV, 3 FH at net)... 2 FH at net were drop shots
- 6 second volleys (3 FHV, 3 OH)
- 1 third volley (1 OH)
- 1 fourth volley (1 OH)

- 1 other FHV was a non-net, swining inside-out and another FHV was a longline pass from the baseline

- FHs - 1 cc return, 1 dtl pass, 1 runaround inside-out return, 1 inside-in/longline return, 1 lob
- BH returns - 1 dtl, 1 inside-in (not clean)

Errors (excluding serves and returns)
Agassi 24
- 11 Unforced (5 FH, 4 BH, 2 FHV)
- 13 Forced (1 FH, 12 BH)... with 1 BH running-down-drop-shot at net
- Unforced Error Forcefulness Index 46.4

Saceanu 35
- 13 Unforced (3 FH, 4 BH, 3 FHV, 3 BHV)... with 1 FH at net
- 22 Forced (5 FH, 5 BH, 5 FHV, 6 BHV, 1 BH1/2V)
- Unforced Error Forcefulness Index 46.9

(Note 1: All 1/2 volleys refer to such shots played at net. 1/2 volleys played from other parts of the court are included within relevant groundstroke numbers)

(Note 2: the Unforced Error Forcefulness Index is an indicator of how aggressive the average UE was. The numbers presented are keyed on 4 categories - 20 defensive, 40 neutral, 50 attacking and 60 winner attempt)

Net Points & Serve-Volley
Agassi was...
- 19/25 (76%) at net, including...
- 2/4 (50%) serve-volleying, all 1st serves

Saceanu was...
- 56/110 (51%) at net, including...
- 54/102 (53%) serve-volleying, comprising...
- 37/66 (56%) off 1st serve and...
- 17/36 (47%) off 2nd serve
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- 1/6 (17%) return-approaching

Match Report
Agassi is at something like his best in a ravaging performance - with generous help of Saceanu’s foolish serving choices - especially on the return, which is so devastating that it limits how much he can shine on the regular pass, though that’s brutal too. Saceanu has a good, strong serve-volley game but blunders with his serve direction

- 49 winners, 24 errors (11 UEs, 13 FEs) from Agassi
- To go with 36% unreturned serves
- And the virtual full serve-volleying (he stays back on one serve) Saceanu has just 28% unreturends

Combo of the above makes scoreline surprising; would expect 3, 3 & 3 with what’s going on
Ditto Agassi winning more second serve points at 70% than Sac does firsts at 60%, along with Sacs winning 43% second serve points

More winners than errors is common in serve-volley matches. 2 winners for every error is not, and even less so for baseliner facing serve-volleyer
For Agassi, 36% freebies is very high. He does serve strongly by his standard, and Sac (smartly) engages in aggressive returning, which contributes to the high yield
28% freebies for Sac. A weak servers’ yield. He’s not a weak a server. Big first serve and a good enough second to serve-volley behind with confidence

For reasons best known to himself, Sac elects to serve 55% of time to Agassi’s FH (along with 36% to BH and 9% to body)
Agassi has 13 FH return winners, while making 13 FH return errors
On BH return, its 7 winners, 12 errors

Agassi is the text-book image of ‘no-good-side-to-serve-to’, but some sides are less good than others. Standard operating procedure would be to direct majority serves to BH, and usually, a player only deviates from it if they have a particularly good reason to

If there’s a reason other than inviting a world-record number of return-winners, I can’t think of it. Far from adjusting, he actually serves more to the FH as match goes, despite the thrashing his serve keeps getting on that side

20 return winners in 3 sets (1 of them a breadstick), might be some kind of record. Sac’s got 18 serve-volleying winners to put it in perspective

Saceanu looks a good player. Contrary to stats, very good first serve. Powerful enough to go for aces and have Agassi jumping and lunging about. Nothing wrong with his second serve either

Solid volleyer. Doesn’t miss much, volleys with decent punch and authority. Handles powerful returns at net height well (and gets tested on it plenty). What he faces on the difficult volley is too much for him to handle. Its doubtful that it wouldn’t be for anyone. Flawless on the OH, and able to get good volleys off often enough that Agassi’s forced to try to lob rather tha power-pass

He’s a bold player. Goes for return-winners choosily, with make-some,-miss- some success. 5 return winners (none of them pass) is high yield, though it contributes to relatively low return-rate of 64%. Return-approaches both via chip-charges and hit-&-approach and is willing to look to do it against first serves too

Returns BHs both 1-haned and 2-handed. Usually 1-handed, blocking the return, but not exclusively; this isn’t a 1-handed-when-forced,-otherwise-2-handed thing, but bona fida returning in both ways. 2-handed returns for early taken, aggressive returns, which he tries to play like Agassi himself, with some success. The hit-&-approach BH returns are 1-handed. In rallies, plays 1-handed BHs, usually slicing. Slice is average of quality, but he’s also heftily outhit on that side. FH is normal and he looks to stay in rallies with it. Next to no approaches from rallies (literally, 2 approaches - 1 manufactured via slice, the other after rare instance of outmanuvering Agassi), though that’s not necessarily indicator of lack of net thirst; Agassi’s play doesn’t leave much space for him to be rallying to net

He’s little vulnerable on FH return, a little slow to move that way. Unusual feature of this match is Agassi adjusting to that and targetting that side (more on that later)

Gist of Saceanu’s game - full serve-volleying, with a powerful serve and solid volleying. A little slow in moving and connecting with FH returns, ready willing and able to be go for return winners (against on baseline Agassi) off both sides. Normal, solid form off groundstrokes but outmatched against this particular opponent on that front
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
Agassi’s serve game
By his standard, strong serving from Agassi, especially at the start. He’s banging down challengingly powerful first serves. Does ease off on it his norm as match goes on

Unusually, Agassi ends up serving 47% to FH, and 52% to BH
Generally, Agassi serves 60-70% to BH with his eyes closed (as in, with seemingly no regard for opponents relative return abilities across wings), so for him, that’s a FH heavy yield
Its justified. Sac unconvincing on FH return, takes to blocking slightly wide FH returns back. Misses a few and makes soft returns Agassi can command when he doesn’t

Sac’s an attacking returner. Both chip-charges and hit-approaches. Fat lot of good it does him and he wins 1/6 return-approach points, + making 2 return errors trying. All credit to top drawer Agassi passing from Agassi; the approach shots are good, let alone decent but he keeps nailing winners anyway. An inside-out/dtl BH pass winner against a deep return is pick of them, and any good look is dispatched matter-of-factly

Sac also hammering odd return to baseline. And he’s got very high 5 return-winners (given Agassi’s on the baseline)

Substantial price for aggro on the return. 15/26 return error have been marked UEs. About 5-8 of them are winner-attempts dtl
36% unreturned rate also high for Agassi - combo of strong serving and Sac’s aggressive misses

Once ball is in play, Agassi is usually aggressive. He has spurts of coming in early from powerful hit to finish. Other times, just hammers down groundies that push Sac back. Sac’s groundies have good form, but he’s not upto handling Agassi’s force of shot; neutral rallies don’t take long to turn into Agassi leading, Sac reacting at the least. And with strong serving at 70% first serves in coupled with Sac’s pushed and bunted FH returns against even normal (not strong) serves, neutral starting point is minority. Agassi usually starts with lead or attacking one

Ground UEs - Agassi 9, Sac 6 (both players virtually equal across wings), with 6 neutral UEs for both players

No attacking ground UEs for Sac at all. Its not because he’s successful attacking, its because he’s never able to get on attack. He’s done well to stay steady neutrally, especially as ‘neutral’ here is tilted towards his reacting, if not defending. But he is also forced into ground errors in baseline rallies (Agassi is not)

Ground to ground winners (excluding returns) - Agassi 6, Sac 0
Ground to ground return winners - Agassi 1, Sac 5

You can see why its necessary for Sac to go for winners off the return. Once rally gets underway, he’s relegated to back-foot and Agassi doesn’t lay off the pressure - moving him around or beating him down, doing what he likes powerfully, but without straining effort or risk. He leads more with FH, which is another sign of being in aggressive mood. Generally, Agassi leads more with BH than FH, though he’s capable and does both. And to be clear, its not all FHs, and he does command action with BH too, just not as much s the FH

And he attacks net
Rallying to net - Agassi 17/21 or 81%, Sac 1/2
And Agassi throwing in a sprinkle of serve-volleying, on which he’s 2/4

Agassi’s volleying isn’t tested but he does putaway volleys thoroughly. Just couple UEs to go with 7 winners (+2 others played net-to-net in return games), Sac with poor looks at pass. He manages 3 passing winners, 1 of them a swinging volley from closer to baseline than service line

Gist, very commanding from Agassi and he faces break point in just one game (where he’s broken) and doesn’t face many hairy moments shy of that either
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
Sacenau’s serve game
Virtual 100% serve-volleying. He stays back on 1 serve, which is spanked for a return winner anyway

Cute trivia. In his 7 matches at this event, 5 of Agassi’s opponents stayed back of just 1 serve. Boris Becker in the next round stayed back a few more times while overwhelmingly serve-volleying and other opponent was the baseliner Chesnokov. So not a single opponent serve-volleyed 100% to Andre Agassi in this run - though 6 of them were apparently in the habit of doing so @HBK4life

He has a better serve than his numbers look. 5 aces, 1 service winner comes to 8% off first serves (the less powerful serving Agassi has 6 aces at 10% to compare). He’s got Agassi lunging around to return regularly, especially early on

Best serves are down-the-middle to Agassi’s BH, which draws hard forced return errors. Which makes his decision to serve so much to the FH even more baffling, with plenty of them out wide to the FH. Not wide enough, and Agassi’s able to reach and swat the return to the tune of 13 winners

Its not clear if Agassi comes to read the serve particularly well, or if he’s covering FH return. Considerably more hard forced return errors of BH than FH hints at the latter, though Agassi doesn’t seem particularly caught out by direction either

‘Baffling’ doesn’t do justice to Sac’s serve patterns. Agassi has 1 FH FE to 12 BHs. Clearly, Sac targets BH to volley to, but keeps serving regularly to FH, with winners raining down. ‘Boneheaded’ might be better

Agassi with 19 return pass winners (12 FH, 7 BH)
. A FH error for every winner off the FH is ridiculous. In all 20 return winners from 78 returns or 26% of all returns he makes are winners. Return rate of 50% with that going on would probably be good to break sooner or later. With a return rate of 72%, its minor miracle Sac’s made it to 2 tiebreaks (frequency of winning returns is of course concentrated in 6-1 set, but its not low in the 2 tiebreak sets either)

He has 12 regular passes (7 FH, 5 BH), for 13 FEs (1 FH, 12 BH)
Sac has 18 ‘volley’ winners (excluding 2 non-net ones), 7 UEs, 12 FEs

Just 1 half-volley FE for Sac. He frames others to leave sitting duck passes from near service line or putaway

Top notch passing from Agassi, both with return and regular. Lovely, clean, powerful strikes. His FH returns in particular don’t necessarily go too wide for the winner. Just a little is good enough to get by, given how powerful the shots are

2 of his nominal FH inside-in return pass winners have been marked ‘inside-in/longline’ as they’re struck closer to down the center than the sideline. Worth a lunge for Sac - what does he have to lose by so doing? - but he usually offers no shot to such passes

Another standout in Agassi’s passing is how he handles drop shots. Races to meet them quickly and reaches them when they’re inches from ground and not far from net. Normal shot to play would be delicate ‘run-down-drop-shot shot’. Agassi top spins them over with power, and hits winners doing so, including striking Sac once

On regular pass, Agassi’s FHs tend to come after drawing weak volley and are either easy or good looks. BH winners are tougher shots, without being tough by passing standards. He doesn’t make many low percentage passing winners on the run, but throws up lobs, which Sac’s upto putting away

Gist - solid game from Saceanu - good serve, solid volleying, but dumb serving pattern targetting Agassi’s lethal FH return. It gets mashed by Agassi’s returning that’s both brutally powerful and consistent, with hardly a drop from there on the follow-up pass

53% points won serve-volleying by Sac, who serve-volleys all the time and doesn’t have many aces, despite strong serve. He’s done well or been lucky to not be blown away worse

Match Progression
First set is competitive with no break points. Agassi’s a more comfy holding and serves 32 points for his 6 holds, Sac 42. Agassi serves 1 deuce game (8 points), Sac 2 (both 10 points)

Sac’s big serve has Agassi jumping and lunging about to return. And Sacs returns aggressively - both with different types of return-approaches and going for blasted power returns

Sac chip-charge returns very first point of match, and Agassi responds with a perfect BH inside-out/dtl winner to the deep ball
Agassi goes one better next game and strikes his first return for a winner (BH inside-in)

Sparks in game 3 from both players. Agassi spanks BH cc winner and mid-court, third ball FH cc winner to reach 40-0. Sac responds with a blasted return to baseline, which he follows up by creeping forward and swatting a swinging FHV inside-out from well behind service line. Throws in a wonderful running FH dtl pass winner to reach deuce and return-approaches point after that

Agassi’s upto making BH cc pass winner against it, and goes on to hold

Unreturned serves keep Sac one step ahead to hold a couple of of 10 point games. In between, he mashes a very early taken, FH cc return winner that’s almost replica of typical Agassi return of that type. Agassi for his part nails return winners - including blazing FH almost down center of court, and other passes. Pick of the passes is his somehow top-spinning a FH dtl from near service line that he’d just managed to reach on full run for a winner

Tiebreak. Sac’s 4 service points (3 firtsts, 1 second) are met by 2 return winners (BH inside-out and FH inside-in) and he faces 2 first 1/2volleys. 1 is virtually impossible and forces error, he un-cleanly gets the other one over very short, and Agassi’s able to again somehow run it down and powerfully top-spin his pass inches from the ground. Ball strikes Sac, possibly after grazing his racquet

Sac goes for return winners. Makes 1, misses 2

Second set is blur of passing winners from Agassi. Hits 3 in a row to reach break point in opening game, on which Sac misses an easy, high BHV
Next go around, breaks to love with 4 winners in a row - FH cc return (with Sac staying back), FH inside-in pass, BH inside-in return-pass and FH inside-out return-pass

Meanwhile, Agassi’s at net either serve-volleying or coming in early 8/9 points that make up his first 2 service games
Another bunch of passing winners to break again to end the set

Sac manages to break for only time to start the third set, sealing the game with a nifty, running FH dtl lob winner. Agassi responds with 4 winning returns (2 winners, 2 forcing volleying errors) to break an all first serve game to love

No more breaks in set, though Sac under threat. He serves 41 points in 6 service games, Agassi 33 and Agassi’s 0/3 (2 games) on break point front after the initial exchange of breaks

Tiebreak and only difference from first set one is Sac double faults once. 2/3 of his remaining serves are knocked away for winners, the other is a bullet return to feet that draws error

Summing up, scarily impressive display of power returning and passing by Agassi, helped by his opponent very foolishly targetting the FH return. To go along with it, some hefty serving from Agassi backed up by bullying baseline play allied to taking net to finish

Saceanu’s serve-volley game is made up of a powerful serve (however badly directed) and solid volleying. It’s a good game, but overwhelmed by what its up against. Interesting ability to return effectively with both 1 or 2-handed BH and he looks to return aggressively himself, with fair success

In all, a unique Wimbledon title run by Agassi. Serve is average at best (below average is fairer description). Ground game varies from clinically controlled to bossy and overpowering. Fair amount of net play latched onto it, and his volleying is good enough to finish what his groundstrokes started

The returning and passing against a variety of different types and calibre of servers, culminating in the ultimate of Goran Ivanisevic, is probably the most brutal and best of any Slam winning run

Stats for the final between Agassi and Goran Ivanisevic - Match Stats/Report - Agassi vs Ivanisevic, Wimbledon final, 1992 | Talk Tennis (tennis-warehouse.com)
Stats for Agassi’s other matches at the event -
 
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HBK4life

Hall of Fame
Another great write up and memory. I remember watching this match on nbc and on the commercials I watched Saved by the Bell on another channel. Wish I would have kept the the vhs tape.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I was at this match, in the standing room only section of Court 2. Could only see half the court, there were a lot of people squeezed in there. Was surprised Agassi was put on that court, he was insanely popular among the British fans back then(but it was Manic Monday where all 4th round matches were played on the same day, so all the big names were in action)
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
The returning and passing against a variety of different types and calibre of servers, culminating in the ultimate of Goran Ivanisevic, is probably the most brutal and best of any Slam winning run

Thought this might interest you. Last year it was reported that Eubanks broke Agassi's record of most winners in a Wimbledon(since 1977). They said Agassi hit 317 winners at '92 Wimbledon, while Eubanks hit 321.




Eubanks signed off his Wimbledon run with 321 winners, beating Andre Agassi's record set in 1992.
Of the 1,244 points he contested during five matches at the All England Club, 26% of them ended in a Eubanks winners -- a tournament leading figure.
 

Waspsting

Hall of Fame
Thought this might interest you. Last year it was reported that Eubanks broke Agassi's record of most winners in a Wimbledon(since 1977). They said Agassi hit 317 winners at '92 Wimbledon, while Eubanks hit 321.
It does, thanks for sharing

I have Agassi with 309 winners (excluding aces) and 35 aces in his '92 run
So I take it that the quoted 317 figure excludes aces

The Medvedev match was 6-4, 1-6, 4-6, 7-6(4), 6-1 and -

"As intimidating a server as the lanky, 6-foot-7 Eubanks might be, Medvedev hit more aces, 28-17. And while Eubanks finished with more winners, 74-52, to raise his tournament total to 321 and break Andre Agassi’s 1992 mark for most winners at a single Wimbledon"

...His ace total of 102, through the quarter-finals, was also tournament-topping"
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putting above 2 together, Eubanks had 119 aces for the tournament
321 - 119 = 202 winners in play over 5 matches

about 40 per match
1 straight setter, 2 four setters, 2 five setters... most sets long (at least 6-4)

Its plausible, particularly in light of report that he was coming to net a lot

But that's including aces in his winner count

If 321 is an ace free count, he'd have to have hit 64 winners per match
I doubt very, very seriously he hit 64 winners per match... especially since he's serving so many aces and is 6 foot 7 (assuming that means he'd have a lot of unreturend serves, which eat away at scope to hit winners)

Only other possiblity is the winner counts those articles are talking about include 'service winners', in addition to aces
'Service winners' are so subjective a thing - I rarely give them out, other stats takers might give as many as 20+ where I've given 0 or 1 in a match - that including them in comparisons makes discussion close to pointless

Different people arguing what is and what isn't a 'winner'. So much easier to stick to facts of ball going through untouched is winner

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so few things

- the winner counts newspapers have given for Agassi are a little off (I've long understood that disputes about this, other than between 2 people who have actually statted the matches and have what happened on each and every point at their finger-tips is a go-nowhere discussion, but am fully confident in my counts )

- newspaper winner counts for Agassi suggests to me that they're referring to non-ace winners only

- extrapolating from other info from newspaper, think its very unlikely Eubanks hit more non-ace winners than Agassi

- his hitting more winners (aces included) is possible, though a stretch
Any 'most winners in a run' figure is bound to be a stretch (if it weren't, it wouldn't be a record breaking count, would it)

- even including aces, his count is lower than Agassi's actual figures (including aces)

It would be very, very strange if the highest winner count at a tournement happened to come from a quarter-finalist
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
It does, thanks for sharing

I have Agassi with 309 winners (excluding aces) and 35 aces in his '92 run
So I take it that the quoted 317 figure excludes aces

The Medvedev match was 6-4, 1-6, 4-6, 7-6(4), 6-1 and -

"As intimidating a server as the lanky, 6-foot-7 Eubanks might be, Medvedev hit more aces, 28-17. And while Eubanks finished with more winners, 74-52, to raise his tournament total to 321 and break Andre Agassi’s 1992 mark for most winners at a single Wimbledon"

...His ace total of 102, through the quarter-finals, was also tournament-topping"
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putting above 2 together, Eubanks had 119 aces for the tournament
321 - 119 = 202 winners in play over 5 matches

about 40 per match
1 straight setter, 2 four setters, 2 five setters... most sets long (at least 6-4)

Its plausible, particularly in light of report that he was coming to net a lot

But that's including aces in his winner count

If 321 is an ace free count, he'd have to have hit 64 winners per match
I doubt very, very seriously he hit 64 winners per match... especially since he's serving so many aces and is 6 foot 7 (assuming that means he'd have a lot of unreturend serves, which eat away at scope to hit winners)

Only other possiblity is the winner counts those articles are talking about include 'service winners', in addition to aces
'Service winners' are so subjective a thing - I rarely give them out, other stats takers might give as many as 20+ where I've given 0 or 1 in a match - that including them in comparisons makes discussion close to pointless

Different people arguing what is and what isn't a 'winner'. So much easier to stick to facts of ball going through untouched is winner

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so few things

- the winner counts newspapers have given for Agassi are a little off (I've long understood that disputes about this, other than between 2 people who have actually statted the matches and have what happened on each and every point at their finger-tips is a go-nowhere discussion, but am fully confident in my counts )

- newspaper winner counts for Agassi suggests to me that they're referring to non-ace winners only

- extrapolating from other info from newspaper, think its very unlikely Eubanks hit more non-ace winners than Agassi

- his hitting more winners (aces included) is possible, though a stretch
Any 'most winners in a run' figure is bound to be a stretch (if it weren't, it wouldn't be a record breaking count, would it)

- even including aces, his count is lower than Agassi's actual figures (including aces)

It would be very, very strange if the highest winner count at a tournement happened to come from a quarter-finalist
Yes, it does seem that Agassi's counts are excluding aces, while Eubanks' include aces. Official tournament websites include aces as winners these days. So I think Eubanks possibly holds the record from the maybe the mid 2000s onwards(he did play a lot of sets in only 5 matches, and came to net a lot etc - but could he have hit more winners than Fed in 2009? any interest in doing all his matches from that year, haha).

Years ago krosero posted the old web pages from Wimbledon from around '96 to '01 and they were clearly excluding aces from winner counts. From memory, they started including both aces in winner counts a few years later. Guess it makes sense no one would bother to do a deep dive before releasing a statement on Eubanks(modern fans/media love hearing about new "records" - Wimbledon touted the stat on their twitter page, there were threads here about it)

I was shocked that Wimbledon had any stats on Agassi, wonder where they have all these stats buried, would love to see all the winner counts they have for the 80s champs(however inaccurate they may be)
 
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