Mats Wilander: ''Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer''

Sabratha said:
Doesn't matter. What I said is a fact.

And Agassi was closer to Sampras than Djokovic is in comparison to Federer and Nadal, basically meaning Agassi was a stronger rival than Djokovic to his competition. Yet another fact.
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Oh well, Djokovic > Agassi so who really cares either way.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
I'm not just talking about the slams though.
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2 WTF trophies, #1 in the world for more than half of what Djokovic has so far, ect.

Nobody compared Hewitt to Djokovic seriously in this thread.. We only do it because you make annoying comparisons, like saying Ferrer is better than Hewitt. If you can't take it, don't spray it.
 
I wonder what you people will say when djokovic passes double digits, along with his other versatile resume.

Will he be more respected then?

Its outrageous behaviour by some.

NoVak is a true ATG.
 
RF-18 said:
I wonder what you people will say when djokovic passes double digits, along with his other versatile resume.

Will he be more respected then?

Its outrageous behaviour by some.

NoVak is a true ATG.
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Of course he's a true All-Time Great, but I'm not ready to say he's better than Nadal or Federer yet.

And he gets the respect of an 8-time-slam winner, because he is.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Record books don't care about eras, only numbers.
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Keep telling yourself that..

One day though, Novak is going to be eclipsed by someone. When that day comes, I bet record books will become obsolete to you.
 
RF-18 said:
Fair enough, but you know I didn't mean you.
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Yeah, he's an all time great, but so are McEnroe, Connors, Agassi, Lendl, Edberg, Becker, Wilander...no one is going to say that they're better than Fedal (which is the point of this thread, by the way).
 
I also believe this was reasonable.
 
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RF-18 said:
Wait, maybe I got you wrong, but all those 4 things Dj2011 mentioned, he would trade in for a FO? Is that what you were saying?
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No, I'm not saying he'd trade in his entire career for a French Open. That's ridiculous. But it's obviously more important to him than weeks at number one or the WTF or Masters 1000 tournaments.
 
Additionally, Agassi had to contend with two goat candidates, consistently in their prime.
 
Sirius Black said:
No, I'm not saying he'd trade in his entire career for a French Open. That's ridiculous. But it's obviously more important to him than weeks at number one or the WTF or Masters 1000 tournaments.
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Then I misunderstood you. Ignore my comment.

Its possibly he would trade masters for a FO, but not all of them.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Keep telling myself what? What part of my statement was untrue? :?
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You, yourself care about the depth of an era.. you constantly tell everyone how today is about 10 times stronger than when Federer was at his peak.
 
RF-18 said:
Then I misunderstood you. Ignore my comment.

Its possibly he would trade masters for a FO, but not all of them.
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I don't have a problem with Djokovic; I have a problem with people trying to contend that he's better than Federer and Nadal at this point in his career, and with people who make blanket statements with carefully selective characteristics to bolster their opinions.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Haha, it's over Sirius. Nole > Agassi, time to accept reality. :wink:
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Eh, two can play at this game.

"That is purely subjective, unsubstantiated, and circumstantial. You're entitled to your (wrong) opinion...weak era...blank space reference
 
#Kids, you wouldn't be in such #sour #disagreement #allthetime if you would #respect the #authority of the #ITF-sanctioned #grandslam events instead of #majoring in #minors, which is what most of you #unfortunately do.

#MatsWilander must be having a big day in #Amsterdam (#cough, #cough). #Trust me when I say these type of #published #articles of #arbitrary #assessments by #former #champions provide #amusement and #laughter to #many.


#PTL #JC4Ever

AngieB​
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Nope, I don't constantly say that at all. Perhaps you're confusing me with Spicy?
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Nope, you allude to this by saying players other than Nole are better than the field then. And it's speculation at best.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Haha, it's over Sirius. Nole > Agassi, time to accept reality. :wink:
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That's your opinion. Not "reality". It depends on how much one subjectively values different feats.

AngieB said:
#Kids, you wouldn't be in such #sour #disagreement #allthetime if you would #respect the #authority of the #ITF-sanctioned #grandslam events instead of #majoring in #minors, which is what most of you #unfortunately do.
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You wouldn't write such bunk if you majored in logic.

Pray tell what court of justice gave the ITF the right to dictate what people should value as achievements in tennis.
 
Sirius Black said:
I don't have a problem with Djokovic; I have a problem with people trying to contend that he's better than Federer and Nadal at this point in his career, and with people who make blanket statements with carefully selective characteristics to bolster their opinions.
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If you read OP, fed is the best to play the game and also the greatest for me.

But I understand what you are trying to say.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Record books don't care about eras, only numbers.
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Agreed. The talk of eras has some merit, but it is largely subjective. Results don't lie, and this is why Federer and Nadal > Djokovic. Although Novak is an ATG and has one of the highest peaks in tennis history (2011). So let's leave it at that, eh mate? This thread is becoming unbearable
 
So much ridiculous bs in this thread. Bottom line: People will have different opinios but objectively its hard to argue that Djokers peak wasn't as good as any peak tennis has seen including Feds. At the same time Djoker needs 2ish big years to break into the career GOAT debate so lets see how it plays out. If he gets 6 or more slams he's in the debate. Anyone who thinks that Feds 17 slams against comparatively weak top players (Roddick, ancient Agassi, Hewitt) automatically protects him from a huge finish to Djoker or even Rafa's careers just doesnt know tennis. Rafa would need to add non clay slams and obv Djoker can't be a GOAT contender without a RG win.

Bottom line: the peaks are all close, feds still ahead career wise. Should be an interedting end to the era.
 
VexlanderPrime said:
So much ridiculous bs in this thread. Bottom line: People will have different opinios but objectively its hard to argue that Djokers peak wasn't as good as any peak tennis has seen including Feds. At the same time Djoker needs 2ish big years to break into the career GOAT debate so lets see how it plays out. If he gets 6 or more slams he's in the debate. Anyone who thinks that Feds 17 slams against comparatively weak top players (Roddick, ancient Agassi, Hewitt) automatically protects him from a huge finish to Djoker or even Rafa's careers just doesnt know tennis. Rafa would need to add non clay slams and obv Djoker can't be a GOAT contender without a RG win.

Bottom line: the peaks are all close, feds still ahead career wise. Should be an interedting end to the era.
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The whole notion of peaks in general is subjective, as you alluded to earlier. Your opinion is they all have similar peaks, my opinion is that Federer's peak is higher. Some might say Nadal's is higher. It's really a pretty silly thing to argue about.
 
AngieB said:
#Kids, you wouldn't be in such #sour #disagreement #allthetime if you would #respect the #authority of the #ITF-sanctioned #grandslam events instead of #majoring in #minors, which is what most of you #unfortunately do.

#MatsWilander must be having a big day in #Amsterdam (#cough, #cough). #Trust me when I say these type of #published #articles of #arbitrary #assessments by #former #champions provide #amusement and #laughter to #many.


#PTL #JC4Ever

AngieB​
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#impossible #to ###read #because #of ###overdose of ###kiddie faecesbook ########

### Atheists #Forever ### or something the like
 
You can have too much of a good thing (hashtags are obviously amazing). They start to lose their impact after a while: the pulse; the rhythm; the contour; the form.

#ObservanceOfArt #ReflectionTherein
 
The idea of Federer facing weak competition is laughable. During 2044-2007 when he won 11 slams he defeated 13 top 5 players, which is decent
 
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