Mats Wilander: ''Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer''

Sysyphus said:
Imprecise and a simplification of reality. Nadal was number one until july 2011, Federer was number one for 1/3 of 2012, Nadal was the best player in 2013 and was number 1 until Wimbledon 2014. Djokovic has been the best player since then.

Deal with it 8)
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I think Djokovic2011 could benefit from some Camus. His posts sure do suggest that he has a love for the absurd.
 
Sirius Black said:
You don't need to be Einstein to figure out that Nadal was the best player from Winter/Spring of 2013 to June of 2014. That's more than a year now, isn't it?

Again, you don't comprehend what you've read. If we go by the metrics you've listed, Nadal wins during the aforementioned year.
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Yes, but what does have to do with what's happened since the beginning of 2011? :?
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Yes, but what does have to do with what's happened since the beginning of 2011? :?
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You cannot say that Djokovic has been the best player from 2011-2014 when he's spent over a year of that being second best to Nadal! I'm not saying that Nadal was the best or that Djokovic sucks, only that the nonsense you've been spewing is false!

Does a time period have to have a best player? Who was the best from 2000-2003, huh?
 
I think Djoko has been the best the last few years but has he ever been better than Fed or Nadal at full speed????

He was certainly better than Nadal in 2011 but that's about it. Fed hasn't been even close to his peak in years.

Putting Djoko in with the two guys is a joke.
 
Sirius Black said:
You cannot say that Djokovic has been the best player from 2011-2014 when he's spent over a year of that being second best to Nadal! I'm not saying that Nadal was the best or that Djokovic sucks, only that the nonsense you've been spewing is false!

Does a time period have to have a best player? Who was the best from 2000-2003, huh?
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Yes I can because he has.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
I simply cannot understand for the life of me what it is that you think is so absurd. What have I said that isn't correct? Someone help me out here!
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Is it reasonable to say that Federer was the best player from 2007-2010?
 
Beating a 33 year old in the Wimbledon final was sweet for Djokovic's biggest fanboy. Please. Djokovic won't even be reaching slam finals at that age...
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
I think Djoko has been the best the last few years but has he ever been better than Fed or Nadal at full speed?

He was certainly better than Nadal in 2011 but that's about it. Fed hasn't been even close to his peak in years.

Putting Djoko in with the two guys is a joke.
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He sure has. And it's no joke to put him in with Fedal either if we're talking about peak level of play.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
He sure has. And it's no joke to put him in with Fedal either if we're talking about peak level of play.
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Not sure really over a year shall we say.

Nadal was better in 2013 and missed most of 2012 and 2014.

Fed is old and has been for a while.

His peak of 2011 was incredible no doubt but that is the only full year he was better than Nadal.
 
Laver has dominated tennis. So too have Borg, Sampras, Federer, and Nadal. Tell me what these fine professionals have in common during their periods of domination.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Is it reasonable? Yes, I'd say so.
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It's more reasonable to say that Federer was the best in 2007 and 2009, and that Nadal was the best in 2008 and 2010.

Djokovic was the best from 2011-2012, and from 2014-now. That's all you should say.
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
Not sure really over a year shall we say.

Nadal was better in 2013 and missed most of 2012 and 2014.

Fed is old and has been for a while.

His peak of 2011 was incredible no doubt but that is the only full year he was better than Nadal.
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It doesn't matter how much Nadal missed. That's his problem, not Novak's.

And Fed is still ranked #2 in the world so I don't want to hear anything about his age.
 
Sirius Black said:
It's more reasonable to say that Federer was the best in 2007 and 2009, and that Nadal was the best in 2008 and 2010.

Djokovic was the best from 2011-2012, and from 2014-now. That's all you should say.
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Exactly, so overall he's been the man since 2011 which is all I've been trying to say.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
It doesn't matter how much Nadal missed. That's his problem, not Novak's.

And Fed is still ranked #2 in the world so I don't want to hear anything about his age.
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Of course it matters - he wasn't a better player than Nadal in 2012 and 2014 because Nadal wasn't even around!! Of course that isn't Djoko's fault but it is still true.

You don't take Fed's age into consideration????!!!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Yes I can because he has.
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Sad how delusional and Chico like you've become. Nadal was the best player in 2013. He won 2 slams and finished #1. Djokovic was dominant in 2011. Was easily the best in 2014 despite mediocre slam record, and was also the best in 2012 which was a very close race between the whole big 4. End of.


Wilander is an attention seeking goon. Some of the comments he makes are so ridiculous and stupid, its clear his intention is stirring things up. These most recent comments aren't that particularly bad in context. But I happen to disagree that Djokovic's peak level is better than Federer's or even Nadal's really. Obviously in terms of greatness he's not there yet either.
 
What I don't get is why the starting point has to be 2011 ?

Starting 2010 makes more sense since that's the start point of the decade.
 
AO: Djokovic: 4
IW: Djokovic: 2
MIAMI: Djokovic: 3
M-C: Nadal: 2
MADRID: Nadal: 2
ROME: Nadal: 2 + 2 F ( Djoko: 2 + 1F)
RG: Nadal: 4
W: Djokovic: 2
CANADA: Djokovic: 2
CINCY: Federer: 2
USO: Djokovic: 1 + 2 F (Nadal: 1 + 1F)
SHANGHAI: Djokovic: 2
PARIS: Djokovic: 2
WTF: Djokovic: 3
OL 2012: Murray

Hey guys, check at this. This is the tier 1 events since 2011-present.

Nadal has dominated clay (of course), djokovic has dominated everything else. Indoor HC, outdoor and grass. Since 2011, he leads in 9 tier 1 events out of 14.

And not to talk about his weeks at number one, and year ends.

It's clear that Djokovic has been the best on tour for the past 4 years, overall. Close to domination.

*Credit to veroniquem who made this list.
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
Of course it matters - he wasn't a better player than Nadal in 2012 and 2014 because Nadal wasn't even around!! Of course that isn't Djoko's fault but it is still true.

You don't take Fed's age into consideration????!!!
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If Nadal gets injured that's his problem and no one else's, he should learn to take care more care of his fragile body.

And no, while Fed is still so highly ranked I don't really take his age into consideration. If he fell out of the top 20 I might think differently.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Exactly, so overall he's been the man since 2011 which is all I've been trying to say.
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He's been the best of the rest since 2011. He's lucky he didn't have to face peak Federer or Nadal in every final from 2005-2010, because he definitely wouldn't have as many slams.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
If Nadal gets injured that's his problem and no one else's, he should learn to take care more care of his fragile body.

And no, while Fed is still so highly ranked I don't really take his age into consideration. If he fell out of the top 20 I might think differently.
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I agree completely - he still wasn't better than Nadal in those years as Nadal did not play.
 
okdude1992 said:
Sad how delusional and Chico like you've become. Nadal was the best player in 2013. He won 2 slams and finished #1. Djokovic was dominant in 2011. Was easily the best in 2014 despite mediocre slam record, and was also the best in 2012 which was a very close race between the whole big 4. End of.
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Nothing delusional at all about saying that Nole's been the best player overall since 2011. If I'd said that he's been the best player every week since 2011, that would be delusional. Try to follow threads a little more closely next time.
 
Sirius Black said:
He's been the best of the rest since 2011. He's lucky he didn't have to face peak Federer or Nadal in every final from 2005-2010, because he definitely wouldn't have as many slams.
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Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Federer was lucky Nadal didn't peak on hard courts a few years earlier. See we can all play that game Sirius. :wink:
 
AO: Djokovic: 4
IW: Djokovic: 2
MIAMI: Djokovic: 3
M-C: Nadal: 2
MADRID: Nadal: 2
ROME: Nadal: 2 + 2 F ( Djoko: 2 + 1F)
RG: Nadal: 4
W: Djokovic: 2
CANADA: Djokovic: 2
CINCY: Federer: 2
USO: Djokovic: 1 + 2 F (Nadal: 1 + 1F)
SHANGHAI: Djokovic: 2
PARIS: Djokovic: 2
WTF: Djokovic: 3
OL 2012: Murray
Most weeks #1
Most year ends

Since 2011-present. Fact.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Federer was lucky Nadal didn't peak on hard courts a few years earlier. See we can all play that game Sirius. :wink:
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He's been the best of the rest since 2011. The quality of 2011-2014 cannot compare with that of 2004-2010.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Of course he was. He finished above Nadal in those years and that's all that matters at the end of the day.
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He wasn't as Nadal did not even play.

He was certainly better in 2011 but suggesting he was he a better player in 2012 and 2014 is silly. How can anyone suggest a guy is better against a guy who didn't even play?!
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
He wasn't as Nadal did not even play.

He was certainly better in 2011 but suggesting he was he a better player in 2012 and 2014 is silly. How can anyone suggest a guy is better against a guy who didn't even play?!
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So you're saying being better than one player is more important than being better than the whole field?! :shock: And Nole leads their H2H in 2014 anyway.
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
He wasn't as Nadal did not even play.

He was certainly better in 2011 but suggesting he was he a better player in 2012 and 2014 is silly. How can anyone suggest a guy is better against a guy who didn't even play?!
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So for all we know, Borg could actually be the best player of 2012 and 2014?:shock:

Hmm, interdasting!
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Nothing delusional at all about saying that Nole's been the best player overall since 2011. If I'd said that he's been the best player every week since 2011, that would be delusional. Try to follow threads a little more closely next time.
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Try to keep track of your comments a little more closely next time :) You didn't use the word 'overall' actually. But even that phrasing, while true, is misleading. For example by this logic I could say : Roger Federer is the best player overall from 2003-2015. Technically that is just as true as your statement, yet it doesn't accurately show what happened in 2008, 2010, 2011-2015.

Who cares about how you divvy up the statistics. Just look at the overall numbers and results and you get a better picture.
 
Sirius Black said:
Ok, I'm done. One last thing: if you had to pick the four most important tournaments in tennis, which ones would you choose?
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Australian Open and Beijing are top two for sure, no?

okdude1992 said:
Try to keep track of your comments a little more closely next time :) You didn't use the word 'overall' actually. But even that phrasing, while true, is misleading. For example by this logic I could say : Roger Federer is the best player overall from 2003-2015. Technically that is just as true as your statement, yet it doesn't accurately show what happened in 2008, 2010, 2011-2015.

Who cares about how you divvy up the statistics. Just look at the overall numbers and results and you get a better picture.
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Exactly this. It only looks like a misleading way to make Djokovyche look better.

Djokovic2011 said:
Ok then, I'm saying it now. Djokovic has been the best player of the past 4 years overall. Happy now? :roll:
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You didn't read his post obviously: "But even that phrasing, while true, is misleading. For example by this logic I could say : Roger Federer is the best player overall from 2003-2015. Technically that is just as true as your statement, yet it doesn't accurately show what happened in 2008, 2010, 2011-2015."
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
So you're saying being better than one player is more important than being better than the whole field?! :shock: And Nole leads their H2H in 2014 anyway.
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Not at all.

I am just saying Djoko has only really been a better player than Rafa over a year shall we say in 1 year - 2011.

He was not a better player in 2012 and 2014 as Rafa was not around. He wasn't a better player than Rafa at the US Open 2014 for example as Rafa was NOT there, etc. Obviously that is Rafa's fault and Djoko can only beat what is in front of him.

Fair enough if he leads the H2H in 2014 - I am not disputing that at all!
 
okdude1992 said:
Try to keep track of your comments a little more closely next time :) You didn't use the word 'overall' actually. But even that phrasing, while true, is misleading. For example by this logic I could say : Roger Federer is the best player overall from 2003-2015. Technically that is just as true as your statement, yet it doesn't accurately show what happened in 2008, 2010, 2011-2015.

Who cares about how you divvy up the statistics. Just look at the overall numbers and results and you get a better picture.
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Ok then, I'm saying it now. Djokovic has been the best player of the past 4 years overall. Happy now? :roll:
 
irishnadalfan1983 said:
Not at all.

I am just saying Djoko has only really been a better player than Rafa over a year shall we say in 1 year - 2011.

He was not a better player in 2012 and 2014 as Rafa was not around. He wasn't a better player than Rafa at the US Open 2014 for example as Rafa was NOT there, etc. Obviously that is Rafa's fault and Djoko can only beat what is in front of him.

Fair enough if he leads the H2H in 2014 - I am not disputing that at all!
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So what are you saying? That Nole should take time off from the tour whenever Nadal gets injured to make it more of a level playing field??? :confused:
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Ok then, I'm saying it now. Djokovic has been the best player of the past 4 years overall. Happy now? :roll:
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Who cares. As others have said, 4 years is an arbitrary number you use to push your guy. Even the trolliest of Nadal fans don't go and use the stats to their advantage to say that Nadal is the best player in the past 5-6 years. It's ridiculous how much pride you take in this hollow statement.
 
SpinToWin said:
Who cares. As others have said, 4 years is an arbitrary number you use to push your guy. Even the trolliest of Nadal fans don't go and use the stats to their advantage to say that Nadal is the best player in the past 5-6 years. It's ridiculous how much pride you take in this hollow statement.
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Me! :)

10DealWithIts
 
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