Incognito
Legend
I believe you
Max Purcell suspended for doping rule violation
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You guys should get a room. This is a family forum
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
I think with this post you’ve demonstrated once again that you can‘t point to anything specific that needs ”fixing” other than it doesn’t achieve the results you prefer. Nor have you identified any instance where the rules have been applied arbitrarily other than, again, you don’t like a particular result.Sorry perhaps I should be using Polish or Italian.
You are right there is nothing arbitrary about how the rules are being applied right now
LOBALOT
Legend
I have been posting for while on this topic and have specifically provided information in these posts. I don't really need to go back and fourth with you when can simply run a search.
In the end I don't think you are smart enough to have a solid discussion on the topic.
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
How dare you!
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Sir, there's been too much Russian/adjacent doping and match fixing for me to say "oh it's probably nothing until proved otherwise"
These guys aren't getting the benefit of the doubt anymore. They don't deserve it. The sport is dirty and it's dirtiest in the areas of the world where states are weak and mafias are strong. That's Italy and Eastern Europe.
If I were a player who didn't want to be suspected of mixing with this element I would move as far from it as I could.
Where did the Tate brothers set up shop? Romania
Not to say that all Romanians or Georgians are mobsters, far from it. In fact a majority of those people detest what the mafias and vory and siloviki have done to their countries. So don't give me this PC crap.
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
This is why ppl get away with it
Because we fans are so stupid that we succumb to attractiveness bias.
Halep is so cute! How could she do that? Not our Simo! I don't believe it
Sinner is so shy and earnest! How could he do that? Not young Jannik! I don't believe it
Purcell is so earnest and carefree with his mullet! How could he do that! I don't believe it
Over and over. We fall in love with people we don't know and we assume the best--even to the point of slandering the authorities who catch them. Who are usually making peanuts comparatively, yet we identify as being part of some dark forces arrayed against the innocent and terrified player we have fallen in love with
Then why did I start a thread on Purcell doping?Somehow I don’t believe you lol.
You would give a rats a** had djokovic beaten Sinner all year
Incognito
Legend
Because the guy who slaughtered Novak on every court this year is about to get away with it?
norcal
Legend
Hey, I have a deeper connection with Max other than him looking like a surfer dude bro!
My FH falls apart under pressure too! ( ;
You're imagining things.Because the guy who slaughtered Novak on every court this year is about to get away with it?
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
What in the world is "carpet abuse"?
And what is your idea of "throwing the book" at him? One month? One year?
Stop blowing smoke and get to the point. Out with it!
Oh I get it now. You're just a butthurt Fed Fan and a Djokovic hater. Sorry to tell you mate, Djokovic is the GOAT. Deal with itSomehow I don’t believe you lol.
You would give a rats a** had djokovic beaten Sinner all year
What they should be banning are substances that potentially enhance performance that also potentially cause harm to the health of the person taking them. Has the list of banned substances gone beyond those that cause harm? If the only affect of a substance is potentially an improved performance, should that substance be legal?
Rafa.the.Magnificent
G.O.A.T.
Okay, maybe someone can humor an admitted ignoramus and answer me this - are we really talking about someone getting a vitamin injection that they think will help their performance, or assuming something “else” is being administered along with said vitamins? Why take the risk simply for supposedly powerful vitamins? But maybe that really can give a performance boost, someone tell me.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Reading between the lines, he was caught with something else, and did the "voluntary ban" instead of fighting it, and was allowed to claim accidental contamination in return for his cooperation.
He may have given up information on his supplier/network to the authorities in exchange for this lenience
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
WADA has a limited budget and it is a bureaucracy and not a scientific research agency, so they just can't know most of the time.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Not even Russian players choose to live in Bart's favourite Russia or one of its satellite states Georgia.
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
www.cfr.org
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
The Dangers of Democratic Backsliding in Georgia
Georgia was once a beacon of democracy in the South Caucasus, but today it is backsliding toward authoritarianism and headed back into Russia's sphere of influence.
www.cfr.org
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Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Not even Russian players choose to live in Russia or one of its satellite states Georgia.
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
Thank you. Even Mr MAGA can see it.
Raiden
Hall of Fame
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
Not even Russian players choose to live in Bart's favourite Russia or one of its Georgia
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
My fav Raul is doing the bidding of his fav Vlad and has relegated Georgia to a Russian satellite state.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
There is not a specific limit under WADA rules. I looked it up recently. Which doesn't mean it isn't punishable.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
@messiahrobbins how do we feel now bro
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Georgia now has a democratically-elected government. They just don't have a Western satellite government.
We've just had a Melbourne Grammar boy caught wandering around in Europe so Max Purcell is not that odd!
We've just had a Melbourne Grammar boy caught wandering around in Europe so Max Purcell is not that odd!
Not even Russian players choose to live in Bart's favourite Russia or one of its satellite states Georgia.
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
The Dangers of Democratic Backsliding in Georgia
Georgia was once a beacon of democracy in the South Caucasus, but today it is backsliding toward authoritarianism and headed back into Russia's sphere of influence.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
Do have a look at the world's leading Think Tank which reports that Georgia is slipping into authoritarianism and is in the Russian sphere of influence.
Hopefully the WADA investigators can get to the bottom of this and find out exactly what this Australian player is doing in Georgia.
The Dangers of Democratic Backsliding in Georgia
Georgia was once a beacon of democracy in the South Caucasus, but today it is backsliding toward authoritarianism and headed back into Russia's sphere of influence.
www.cfr.org
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
What they write and what they mean are two different things, but if you can't understand then don't comment! In any event, you are making a political comment.
Do have a look at the world's leading Think Tank which reports that Georgia is slipping into authoritarianism and is in the Russian sphere of influence.
Hopefully the WADA investigators can get to the bottom of this and find out exactly what this Australian player is doing in Georgia.
The Dangers of Democratic Backsliding in Georgia
Georgia was once a beacon of democracy in the South Caucasus, but today it is backsliding toward authoritarianism and headed back into Russia's sphere of influence.
My son, who had to spend much of his days on toilets and eat some drugs there, played an ITF tournament in a cholera stricken area last year. Neither the ITF nor the local organizers seemed to have cared enough about the safety of players. A few players had to go to a local hospital where some of them were administered IV as they were severely dehydrated. I kid you not, those players went on and one of them all the way....beating my "IVless" son too. The whole substances debate is so complex that the antidoping powers must be sh***tting their pants too.
and the distributor is in Georgia? Kinda makes me feel he's a hostage there.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
In other words WADA does not necessarily require any scientific evidence that a banned substance has any performance-enhancing effect.
Pmasterfunk
Hall of Fame
I guess my info was old, I’m pretty sure it used to be banned, lemme check…
in 2004
Feel kinda old all of a sudden
Georgia is not Russia.Not even Russian players choose to live in Bart's favourite Russia or one of its satellite states Georgia.
Very odd for an Australian player to be living in Georgia.
The Dangers of Democratic Backsliding in Georgia
Georgia was once a beacon of democracy in the South Caucasus, but today it is backsliding toward authoritarianism and headed back into Russia's sphere of influence.
Meanwhile American Edward Snowden is living in Russia to gain protection against Uncle Sam. Oh the irony.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
and the distributor is in Georgia? Kinda makes me feel he's a hostage there.
Outside of Russia itself, Georgia has by far the most infamous Eastern European mafia, of which Stalin was a member before coming to power. I find it really suspicious that Purcell LIVES there.
Bartelby
Bionic Poster
Stalin was not a member of any "mafia", but was involved in a bank robbery to fund the Bolsheviks.
And the recent Russian "mafia" arose out of the American high-speed privatisation of Russian assets.
Condemning Purcell due to bad history is somewhat unfair.
And the recent Russian "mafia" arose out of the American high-speed privatisation of Russian assets.
Condemning Purcell due to bad history is somewhat unfair.
By your logic we all now should be suspicious why people live in Italy where there are many mafias, or why people live in Mexico where there are so many drug cartels.
Why did Max Purcell move to Tbilisi?
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Article
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell is the future resident of Sakeni apartments building
Publish date:
20.07.2023
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell, famous for his victory in the esteemed Grand Slam "Wimbledon" 2022 Gentlemen's Doubles match, has recently acquired a residential property in Sakeni.
His interest in the region was sparked during his inaugural visit to Georgia at the conclusion of the previous year. Drawn by the cultural richness and the potential for investment, Purcell embarked on a quest to find an apartment that would serve as a sound financial endeavor.
The allure of the Sakeni project's design and concept captivated Purcell's attention. "A friend apprised me of Georgia's inherent beauty, rich culture, and auspicious prospects. My own firsthand experience in this picturesque country at the close of last year further solidified my profound affection for it. Sakeni project's extraordinary features are a testament to its brilliance, the presence of padel here caught my attention too and the alignment with my personal preferences makes it a judicious choice for investment.
"Geographically nestled between Asia and Europe, Georgia emerges as an idyllic location that perfectly complements my professional pursuits in the world of tennis. With plans to avail direct flights to prominent aviation hubs like Doha or Dubai, I aspire to easily access numerous countries".
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Google's answer:
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell is the future resident of Sakeni | Biograpi Living
A Fresh Perspective in Real Estate Biograpi projects are proudly supported by the Wissol Group. As one of the most prolific, and innovative business conglomerates in Georgia.
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Article
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell is the future resident of Sakeni apartments building
Publish date:
20.07.2023
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell, famous for his victory in the esteemed Grand Slam "Wimbledon" 2022 Gentlemen's Doubles match, has recently acquired a residential property in Sakeni.
His interest in the region was sparked during his inaugural visit to Georgia at the conclusion of the previous year. Drawn by the cultural richness and the potential for investment, Purcell embarked on a quest to find an apartment that would serve as a sound financial endeavor.
The allure of the Sakeni project's design and concept captivated Purcell's attention. "A friend apprised me of Georgia's inherent beauty, rich culture, and auspicious prospects. My own firsthand experience in this picturesque country at the close of last year further solidified my profound affection for it. Sakeni project's extraordinary features are a testament to its brilliance, the presence of padel here caught my attention too and the alignment with my personal preferences makes it a judicious choice for investment.
"Geographically nestled between Asia and Europe, Georgia emerges as an idyllic location that perfectly complements my professional pursuits in the world of tennis. With plans to avail direct flights to prominent aviation hubs like Doha or Dubai, I aspire to easily access numerous countries".
Sakeni by Biograpi · Tbilisi
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Incognito
Legend
lol! You don’t seem very convincedOh I get it now. You're just a butthurt Fed Fan and a Djokovic hater. Sorry to tell you mate, Djokovic is the GOAT. Deal with it
Lol, you said Fed is the most complete player ever and yet he can't close out a match at 40-15, never win Singles Gold, never win Monte Carlo, never win Rome, shanked so many backhands and forehands lol.lol! You don’t seem very convinced
Djokovic is the most complete player. He won US Open against Medvedev with Serve and Volley, he won every big titles there is.
Servatonix
New User
just reading this in the papers and thought I would venture into the swamp of internet forums 
for an answer..
what is the reason Sinner and Iga had provisional suspension, but the media and ITIA didn't publish this to the public until AFTER the suspensions because "investigations were not concluded" whereas Purcell is immediately banned and also more importantly publicised, despite his hearing also not concluded..
not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon but it isn't a good look Sam
for an answer..what is the reason Sinner and Iga had provisional suspension, but the media and ITIA didn't publish this to the public until AFTER the suspensions because "investigations were not concluded" whereas Purcell is immediately banned and also more importantly publicised, despite his hearing also not concluded..
not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon but it isn't a good look Sam
Servatonix
New User
and let's just say it's voluntary on Purcell's behalf, or any other party for that fact.. then why was it not volunteered for Sinner and Iga who chose the path of obfuscation
edit: I love Sinner's game and personality.. I just don't buy into the hypocrisy of a "fair game" and am calling out the BS
edit: I love Sinner's game and personality.. I just don't buy into the hypocrisy of a "fair game" and am calling out the BS
McLovin
Legend
So…let me get this straight: you join a tennis forum over 4 months ago, and this is your first post? Not buying it…just reading this in the papers and thought I would venture into the swamp of internet forums
what is the reason Sinner and Iga had provisional suspension, but the media and ITIA didn't publish this to the public until AFTER the suspensions because "investigations were not concluded" whereas Purcell is immediately banned and also more importantly publicised, despite his hearing also not concluded..
not to jump on the conspiracy bandwagon but it isn't a good look Sam
Gotta say, the “ignore” button is the best invention.
Servatonix
New User
is there a rule what my first post should be?? lol
Servatonix
New User
literally the entire post has people posting claims about Georgia, about the rest of it and this guy wants to ignore me.. well I ignored him 2 can be that petty
Subway Tennis
G.O.A.T.
That is interesting. Aside from volume, do you know if there is any specific wording around banned delivery formats for caffeine?
Not specifically relating this to any current tennis busts, just interested generally.
Better_Call_Raul
Hall of Fame
It is a forum. There is no waiting period for making a first post. Outrageous that you were attacked for that. Ignore that dunderhead.
We love opinionated and disgruntled new users. Welcome.
Let's address your concerns:
Sinner, and every other player, has 10 days to appeal an ITIA provisional suspension. If a player successfully appeals an ITIA provisional suspension the ITIA does not publicly disclose it. And the player can continue to play while the matter is litigated. Sinner successfully appealed and continued to play.
Your favourite Purcell accepted his provincial suspension. No appeal was filed. Hence the ITIA is allowed to disclose his provincial suspension.
It would be preferable if ITIA disclosed the suspension only after only after reaching a final decision on the length of the penalty.
But if investigations and penalty deliberations are lengthy and drawn out the public will begin to wonder why the champion Purcell is sitting out tournaments.
Hopefully the ITIA will promptly hand down its final sentence.
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Servatonix
New User
Great, thanks for clarifying on both counts (etiquette and ITIA)... I thought it funny, there are guys arguing about Bolsheviks, Stalin and mafia and my question is the one that get's attacked haha
Anyway OK, so that makes sense then, and I guess aligns with the explanation about Iga/Sinner resolving it so quickly (and why the lower ranked players are feeling bitter about it)
your thoughts on Halep? was that also treated equally? I didn't follow it closely, when did the ITIA disclose her case, before or after her final sentence? was she just bitter because it took them 1 year to decide?
and to clarify, I am a massive Sinner fan, him with Cahill I see as being unstoppable for the short term.. going to be great to watch him. Purcell isn't even someone I watch.
I guess my chip on the shoulder lies with the ITF/ATP governing bodies .. I get hitting sessions /lessons 1-2 times a week from a Futures player so we talk alot about the Tour, and from the outside looking in I just feel like these guys are on a hiding to nothing, compared to team sports like basketball, soccer etc. these guys can't even earn enough to pay for the flight and accom for an M25 event, whereas team sports at that level they get academy scholarships, tour bus, hotel etc included. And IMO these tennis players are AS athletically gifted as any other pro sport player, and train just as much, so yeh it annoys me that a sport I love playing get's short shrift in the world of sports.. so this topic just hit a nerve lol
/ end of rant
Servatonix
New User
I read this too and was absolutely laughing.. "A friend apprised me of Georgia's inherent beauty, rich culture, and auspicious prospects. My own firsthand experience in this picturesque country at the close of last year further solidified my profound affection for it."Why did Max Purcell move to Tbilisi?
Google's answer:
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell is the future resident of Sakeni | Biograpi Living
A Fresh Perspective in Real Estate Biograpi projects are proudly supported by the Wissol Group. As one of the most prolific, and innovative business conglomerates in Georgia.biograpi.ge
Article
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell is the future resident of Sakeni apartments building
Publish date:
20.07.2023
Australian tennis player Max William Purcell, famous for his victory in the esteemed Grand Slam "Wimbledon" 2022 Gentlemen's Doubles match, has recently acquired a residential property in Sakeni.
His interest in the region was sparked during his inaugural visit to Georgia at the conclusion of the previous year. Drawn by the cultural richness and the potential for investment, Purcell embarked on a quest to find an apartment that would serve as a sound financial endeavor.
The allure of the Sakeni project's design and concept captivated Purcell's attention. "A friend apprised me of Georgia's inherent beauty, rich culture, and auspicious prospects. My own firsthand experience in this picturesque country at the close of last year further solidified my profound affection for it. Sakeni project's extraordinary features are a testament to its brilliance, the presence of padel here caught my attention too and the alignment with my personal preferences makes it a judicious choice for investment.
"Geographically nestled between Asia and Europe, Georgia emerges as an idyllic location that perfectly complements my professional pursuits in the world of tennis. With plans to avail direct flights to prominent aviation hubs like Doha or Dubai, I aspire to easily access numerous countries".
Sakeni by Biograpi · Tbilisi
LOL
"Max Purcell - Professional tennis player & art enthusiast"
but it's probably the other sentence that is the real reason With plans to avail direct flights to prominent aviation hubs like Doha or Dubai, I aspire to easily access numerous countries".
this guy got invited to do a pre-season session in Bahrain with some other Brit players... all expenses paid hotel, flights, food for 10 days
I get the impression the general "lower ranked" players are all-in on going arab states for the $$$ .. they're not making it work in ITF.. it's the whole LIV vs PGA thing playing out in tennis
I don't know if Purcell likes art, but there is a tennis player who genuinely likes art and is an art collector: Reilly Opelka.
For Tennis Star Reilly Opelka, Art Collecting Is a Sport
The Guston-collecting, Margiela-wearing, McEnroe-dialing 26-year-old explains why he shuns art advisors (“I don't respect the profession”) and shows no emotion during studio visits. “I love any opportunity to go against the grain,” he tells GQ columnist Chris Black.
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
Don’t know where you got 10 days from (or when you think your 10 days starts ticking).
A player may appeal a provisional suspension before it goes into effect or at anytime after it goes into effect until there is a decision on the merits of their case:TADP 7.12.3: “A player may appeal a provisional suspension either before the Provisional Suspension comes into force or at any time prior to the final first instance decision on the merits, seeking an order that the Provisional Suspension should not be imposed (or, where it has been imposed, that it should be lifted).”
The ITIA sends the player a notice which includes, among other things, why a provisional suspension is being imposed and the date upon which the suspension will go into effect and informs the player of their right to appeal. If the player appeals before such date the provisional suspension will not go into effect pending the decision on the appeal and the ITIA will not make a public disclosure about the case unless and until the players appeal is rejected. The gap between the player receiving notice that they will be suspended and the date the suspension goes into effect is what creates the opportunity for the player to maintain confidentiality.
Correct on disclosure but the matter is not litigated. The ITIA conducts an investigation. A player must cooperate else the ITIA can bring an independent disciplinary proceeding which can result in sanctions including, yup, a period of suspension. Also failing to cooperate is obviously not going to help your underlying case with the ITIA.
Correct on the disclosure but Purcell didn’t accept a provincial [sic] suspension. His ADRV wasn’t subject to a mandatory provisional suspension but he wanted a voluntary provisional suspension.
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