Max Purcell suspended for doping rule violation

Better_Call_Raul

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Don’t know where you got 10 days from (or when you think your 10 days starts ticking). :unsure: A player may appeal a provisional suspension before it goes into effect or at anytime after it goes into effect until there is a decision on the merits of their case:

Wrong. The right to appeal a provincial suspension is strictly limited to the initial 10-day window after receiving notification.

In the Halep case, she was provincially suspended and she chose not to appeal. It took 9 months for ITIA to initially investigate and finally forward her case to The Tribunal.
You are claiming that Halep could have appealed her provincial suspension months later. Wrong.

The player will receive a notification letter from the ITIA:

The ITIA believes you have committed an Offense under the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program (TACP).
The accompanying letter notifies you that the ITIA has provisionally
suspended you and outlines the reasons that this has been imposed.
Under section F.3 of the TACP, having been provisionally suspended you are
now prohibited from competing in or attending any sanctioned tennis events
organised by the governing bodies of the sport.
You may appeal your Provisional Suspension
within 10 business days of receiving this letter
The Provisional Suspension is effective IMMEDIATELY.


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RSJfan

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and let's just say it's voluntary on Purcell's behalf, or any other party for that fact.. then why was it not volunteered for Sinner and Iga who chose the path of obfuscation

edit: I love Sinner's game and personality.. I just don't buy into the hypocrisy of a "fair game" and am calling out the BS

Sinner and Iga both had a positive test of a “non-Specified Substance.” This results in an automatic provisional suspension. Both appealed their automatic suspensions and were successful on appeal (Iga needed several tries) and consequently their cases were not disclosed until the decision of the Tennis Independent Tribunal was issued.

Purcell was charged with an anti-doping rule violation for a “specified Prohibited Method.” This charge does not result in a mandatory suspension so there would not have been disclosure of his case except he wanted a voluntary suspension which suspension triggered the disclosure.

The disclosure rules are the same in all cases and for all players (with the exception of minors who are entitled to certain additional protections). The ITIA won’t disclose a positive test or charges against a player for anti-doping rule violations (ADRV) unless and until the player is provisionally suspended or an independent tennis tribunal has determined that the player committed an ADRV or the player has admitted to an ADRV. The players can disclose whatever they want, whenever they want.

The disclosure rules are designed to protect all players against reputational and other harms that may occur from disclosure of mere charges. It’s a matter of basic fairness.

You are fortunate that my fav Raul has taken a shining to you. Raul is an esteemed member of TTW. In addition to providing his often disgruntled and disjointed opinions he delights TTW with a raft of misinformation on a wide variety of topics. He is a passionate proponent of so-called “clean energy” and is currently working on an important contribution to the literature on electric vehicles. His current favs are Egg, The Carrot, Michael Ymer, the thugs at WADA, Putin and the CCP.
 
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RSJfan

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Wrong. The right to appeal a provincial suspension is strictly limited to the initial 10-day window after receiving notification.

In the Halep case, she was provincially suspended and she chose not to appeal. It took 9 months for ITIA to initially investigate and finally forward her case to The Tribunal.
You are claiming that Halep could have appealed her provincial suspension months later. Wrong

The player will receive a notification letter from ITIA that he has been suspended:

The ITIA believes you have committed an Offense under the TACP.
The accompanying letter notifies you that the ITIA has provisionally
suspended you and outlines the reasons that this has been imposed.
Under section F.3 of the TACP, having been provisionally suspended you are
now prohibited from competing in or attending any sanctioned tennis events
organised by the governing bodies of the sport.
You may appeal your Provisional Suspension
within 10 business days of receiving this letter
The Provisional Suspension is effective IMMEDIATELY.


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I quoted you the rule on when a player can appeal a provisional suspension, explained it and provided the rule number so you could look it up yourself. Your response was to announce it’s wrong and to cite rules of, and provide a flow chart relating to, the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program (TACP). :oops: :laughing:

Sinner and Iga and all other doping cases involve matters relating to, and are subject to the rules of, the Tennis Anti-Doping Program (TADP) which is what I’m relying on and citing to and not the TACP.

Both programs are administered by the ITIA. I think if instead of relying on flow charts with kid friendly colors you went to the actual anti-doping rules you may have realized your gross error. Though it’s hard to imagine how you thought the letter or the flow chart were relevant. That the flow chart made reference to the TACP and had no references at all to anything doping related but made reference to an appeal process by AHO didn’t strike you as odd. o_O

I hope none of these matters are distracting you from your EV research and advocacy.
 
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RSJfan

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I don't know if Purcell likes art, but there is a tennis player who genuinely likes art and is an art collector: Reilly Opelka.

Reilly “Unapproved” Opelka took a $10,000 fine at the USO for art. :love:

JMac used to own an art gallery in SoHo (Manhattan).

 

Better_Call_Raul

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quoted you the rule on when a player can appeal a provisional suspension, explained it and provided the rule number so you could look it up yourself. Your response was to announce it’s wrong and to cite rules of, and provide a flow chart relating to, the Tennis Anti-Corruption Program (TACP). :oops: :laughing:

Checked your post and do not see any rule number reference.

Put your thinking cap on and have a think about this. It is in the best interests of both parties to have a 10 day window in which to appeal an ITIA provisional suspension.

Why? Because if ITIA has been investigating for months and is about to reach a decision, it makes no sense for player to appeal the provisional suspension at that point; player has already missed months of tournaments due to the provisional suspension. The horse is out of the barn.

Cannot find the TADC rule number but see no reason why the 10 day window to appeal should be any different than the TACP rule.
 

jmnk

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Checked your post and do not see any rule number reference.
it's right here:
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TADP 7.12.3: “A player may appeal a provisional suspension either before the Provisional Suspension comes into force or at any time prior to the final first instance decision on the merits, seeking an order that the Provisional Suspension should not be imposed (or, where it has been imposed, that it should be lifted).”

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Put your thinking cap on and have a think about this. It is in the best interests of both parties to have a 10 day window in which to appeal an ITIA provisional suspension.

Why? Because if ITIA has been investigating for months and is about to reach a decision, it makes no sense for player to appeal the provisional suspension at that point; player has already missed months of tournaments due to the provisional suspension. The horse is out of the barn.
So? The point is that a player may have been able to establish and present some sort of a reasonable explanation for the failed tests, perhaps based on findings/tests/etc that were not available earlier. And if those newly discovered facts are taken into consideration the suspension may be lifted so a player can immediately return to play while the process is taking its time to completion.
Cannot find the TADC rule number
What is TADC?
but see no reason why the 10 day window to appeal should be any different than the TACP rule.
Because Anti-Corruption rules and procedures are fairly different than Anti-Doping rules and procedures?
 
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