Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Completely correct RPM Blast could be the best string ever when its fresh but silicone coating wears off pretty quickly limiting snapback which is its most important feature.
Mayami Big Spin vs other spin monsters?
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All is relative, but yes first 30 minutes this string feels lively (to me). Pure Aero is quite a stiff racquet and if you didn't like it stringed with UC, you should go for a softer string I guess.
With all due respect, though, Irvin, holding all other things constant (RHS and technique included), certain strings will very much give you more spin "overnight". Thus the results in the very link you posted. Example: again, strokes being identical, a slick, shaped, sharp poly will almost always yield more RPM's than a high-friction syn gut or multi. Not sure there's much room for discussion there...?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
All the reviews I see unanimous consensus is its low power, maybe by lively you're experiencing a different phenomenon not powerful
I tested the string for 3 months.. Compared to for instance Hyper G it gives me more power. But yes, perhaps it's the overall sensation/feeling of extra power, more than an actual measurement (not sure how I would do that anyway). I think it could be that I had the preconception that it would feel very stiff/dead when I tried it the first time, but instead I was surprised by the amount of power... I don't like too powerful/soft strings, I need the extra spin/control when hitting offensive.
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NawImNate
Rookie
Good rundown, I believe RPM is very over rated.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Dunno, I got a full bed in 17 at 25kgs done by my coach in Romania and loved it for 30h...By contrast I used RPM 18 as a cross in hybrid with NG here in Canada at 55/50 and had to cut it after 12h, plus I didn't like it as much. I'm on the second hybrid now and still so so...
The full bed was used in outdoor tennis, mainly on red clay, while the hybrids indoor, or modified, crappy maintained, red clay.
But again I loved that full bed of RPM blast, as I couldn't swing more freely with anything else: not with full bed gut, nor with hybrids( NG/poly or poly/poly Mayami at 48/45).
Maybe it was the food in Europe and all the hiking?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Nah he just has it deeply rooted in his mind that rpm socks. Reality is many of us find it to be possibly the best playing string out there you should try 16 too
I've played a lot more with Big Spin and I'm starting to like it more and more, especially at lower tension. I usually string at 24 kg with Weis Canon UC (my favourite string), but BS at 22 kg works better at 22 kg for me, since BS is considerably lower powered compared to UC. BS but holds tension better and since I still like UC better I'm currently testing a hybrid with BS / UC at 23 kg. This combination is fantastic so far on my Yonex VCore 98. Lots of spin and just enough of power. I probably will stick with this combo for a long time or until I'll find an even better hybrid (but what would that be?).
smithie
Professional
If you can, I would cross it with a smooth poly to increase its durability (my only knock on V-Square).
NawImNate
Rookie
Well I’ve used it a lot, and I’m just not impressed with the longevity. I will say I do live in Florida. Very humid.
NawImNate
Rookie
Also when you string for like 30-40 different people and you see how many other strings are just as good that are literally an eighth of the price that’s why I have the view I do on RPM. It’s over rated. It’s over priced.
NawImNate
Rookie
I now have 5 players including myself who use Mayami Big Spin 17 in hybrids and full beds, nothing but good reviews from my clients.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
How does it compare to other Mayami polies?
soulkeeper
New User
@NawImNate
Any Big spin hybrid you would reccomend?
Also which strings are you referring as good as RPM but cheaper?
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Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I had the most perfect power control spin combo I've ever experienced with RPM 16 1.30mm in 2019 Pure Aero strung at 35 lbs. Placement exactly where you want very consistently with such sweet power & spin. Also only rare strings are near it in the spin department like cyclone & tour bite but still don't clearly beat it there.
@Aestheticsaboveallelse - How long would RPM last for you in that state? 1 hour? 10? more?
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Lol good question only used it for one practice session cause it was ripping apart my bicep injury that day but I also couldn't stop using it until the pain became unbearable cause it was playing so good lol felt like Nadal. So I don't know had to restring it right away with something more comfortable and stopped playing tennis for a time. It felt like it was loosening very quickly and probably should've been strung a couple pounds tighter anyway
NawImNate
Rookie
My stance is, I have played with it a lot, it’s a good feeling string, but for the price it is, I don’t see how it is about 250-300% better than different reels of textured poly I buy.
NawImNate
Rookie
I personally like the pop of Ytex protour black it’s one of my favorite strings, feels like a more resilient big banger.
For textured to allow more “bite” I have used Ytex Quadro twist and it’s a good string. It plays lively, I string it 45-50# on most 95-100 sq in rackets. Good SnapBack, easy to string.
Textured again: Ytex Hex-X red, hexagon shaped soft poly. Good string, lasts a long time high 45-50# 95-100sq in rackets. Provides good cut, SnapBack is pretty good.
HOWEVER! If you are a stringer you would know this ALL stringing machines have different tension “feels” my electronic tensioner will feel tighter let’s say compared to my buddies crank, or looser, but in our real-life case mine feels 5# tighter than his.
Keep in mind I am an ambassador for Ytex so I’m comfortable with saving about $15-$20 a reel on their 660ft reels. I personally do not buy reels for more than $90 or so usually. And I have 16 660ft.
And yes I’ve tried all the Solincos, Volkl, Babolat, head, polys, no yonex yet, still want to try their pro Poly tour or whatever it’s called.
Mayami also was doing 30% off so I got a reel from them for $90 shipped 17 gauge big spin. And it supports Ukraine so I went ahead and satisfied my craving For more options for box shaped twisted string,either another reel of Ytex Quadro twist, or big spin, so I went for big spin because I bought a Prince 93P with a full bed at 45# and fell in love, didn’t feel as lively as Quadro Twist through.
NawImNate
Rookie
If you are a stringer try out IsoSpeed Baseline Control, $40 for a 660ft reel. Or pay someone to do it. Try it out, as I should, many reviews say it plays like RPM. So what if it goes dead after 5-10 hrs of it being in there, and if you hybrid it and you aren’t a big hitter just about any string will do you justice.
My most sold string setup is Gosen Polylon Ice 17 on mains and Liberty Ashaway Fluorescent Yellow 17.
I string that for 3.0-4.5 players, no gripes. And it has stood the test of time. See this is why when I have different types of string I don’t go around telling people to buy RPM.
RPM blast is 50 cents per foot.
40ft set of RPM is $19-$20.
Isospeed baseline is 6 cents per foot.
Mayami big spin is 13.6 cents per foot.
My Ashaway liberty can be bought $35 from tennis warehouse for a 660ft reel Which is 5.3 cents per foot.
Isospeed baseline control, Gosen Polylon Ice is 6 cents per foot.
and that’s where I draw the line, I don’t see RPM being 10x of a better string. If I’m paying almost 4-10x the price of what I usually pay for string that I can drop tension on or configure something else with, then I will not glorify RPM.
but if you don’t mind spending that money and paying someone $40-$50 to string one racket then that’s all your decisions that I cannot judge.
NawImNate
Rookie
Any nylon is good to hybrid, it’s all about tension. I use AG international, Forten, Ytex, golden set, and Ashaway nylon is simple string, synthetic gut is often looked at as supreme string, it may be a tad bit softer than tournament nylon but it IS nylon. Especially hybriding the cross being the softer string and it taking less of the damage compared to the strain and wear on the mains, it shouldn’t matter what you use. It all matters on gauge and tension.
NawImNate
Rookie
Great question I have not tried their others. I want to try their triangular shaped string. But their big spin cuts the ball, lasts a while, takes the damage, but doesn’t play very lively. Even at 45# on a 93sq in head I play with.
I've recently starting testing tension/tension loss with RacquetTune app. After 5 hours this hybrid lost 1.8 kg in tension (23kg -> 21.2 kg). I don't know how good/bad this is compared to other strings since I've just started testing. The tension now has settled at 21 kg after more hitting. Preferably I would have wished for it to settle around 22 kg instead, but I don't know if this is possible even if stringing at a initial higher tension....
I have another racquet (prostaff A) strung with full bead of UC (Ultra Cable) that now reads 19.7 kg (down from 25 kg) after 12 hours of hitting...
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Hey what would be the difference between pts / ptp hybrid and fullbed pts?
TennisJrDad
Professional
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Yes, in the past Tour Hex mains and Hit Pro crosses loved it for power, but maybe Big Spin/Tour Hex is better. Also according to @galapagos 's scores.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I think the only thing they have in common is being triangular polys
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Well, I don't like Big Spin full bed (or at least, I didn't in the past, the only time I've tried it), but I love it in a hybrid as mains with Tour Hex crosses.
LocNetMonster
Professional
Yes, it would be. If you don't like FireWire for the seemingly inconsistent response then you might like Big Spin a lot. The difference between the two is the twisted profile of Big Spin allows for a more predictable performance because there is a single apex at each intersection. FireWire tends to twist during installation in an inconsistent fashion. While some may prefer a full bed setup, honestly, doing a hybrid with Big Spin in the mains and whatever round string you want in the crosses is the way to go.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I just found a pack of Big Spin 1.25 and was thinking about trying it in the Dunlop FX500. Is it a crisper feel or more muted/plasticky? Also whats the comfort like?
rv75
Rookie
It’s muted and very comfortable
@Power Player - I've played both DuraFluxx and Big Spin, and you being a DF user, if coming from DF 1.23 I think you'd find Big Spin 1.25 to be just a tad bit more stiff and less crisp. Here are the USRSA numbers:
Ball bite will of course be noticeably higher, from Big Spin being more "toothy" than DuraFluxx. Tension maintenance will be similar. Durability may be just a tad less, with the tips of the triangles dulling out a bit faster over time than the edges of DuraFluxx. But lifespan should be similar.
As others have suggested, playing Big Spin full bed may actually be a bit too grabby and lacking in snapback. Instead, I would hybrid Big Spin in the mains with a very slick, slightly softer round cross -- something in the vein of T1 Ghost Wire, MSV Swift or Gosen G-Tour 3. That will make for a very nice P/P hybrid with a nice balance of comfort, power, spin and control.
| String | Gauge | Stiffness (lb/in.) | Tension loss (lbs) |
|---|---|---|---|
| Tier One Sports DuraFluxx 118 18 | 1.21 | 196 | 20.27 |
| Tier One Sports DuraFluxx 123 17 | 1.27 | 231 | 15.67 |
| Tier One Sports DuraFluxx 128 16 | 1.30 | 244 | 16.87 |
| Mayami Big Spin 1.25 | 1.24 | 247 | 17.18 |
Ball bite will of course be noticeably higher, from Big Spin being more "toothy" than DuraFluxx. Tension maintenance will be similar. Durability may be just a tad less, with the tips of the triangles dulling out a bit faster over time than the edges of DuraFluxx. But lifespan should be similar.
As others have suggested, playing Big Spin full bed may actually be a bit too grabby and lacking in snapback. Instead, I would hybrid Big Spin in the mains with a very slick, slightly softer round cross -- something in the vein of T1 Ghost Wire, MSV Swift or Gosen G-Tour 3. That will make for a very nice P/P hybrid with a nice balance of comfort, power, spin and control.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
awesome detail - thank you!
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Deleted member 796924
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According to reviews, and i see data in racketpedia Big Spin is a rather soft string and stiffnes 200-220. For me interesting also to test Big Spin because i test only Tour Hex
@legcramp - I presume you're at least talking about Cyclone Tour 16? 17 and 18 aren't worth the packaging they put them in (durability and tension maintenance are awful). So try VCT 16 if you haven't yet.
For alternatives, here's what I would look at for very spinny polys with similar USRSA stiffness ratings at or under 200 lbs/inch in all gauges:
- Gamma Jet
- MSV Focus Hex Soft, or Plus 25 if you need softer, or Plus 38 if you need softer still (tension maintenance will be progressively worse, though)
- Signum Pro Thunderstorm
- Tourna Big Hitter Black 7
- YTEX Square-X, Octotwist
For alternatives, here's what I would look at for very spinny polys with similar USRSA stiffness ratings at or under 200 lbs/inch in all gauges:
- Gamma Jet
- MSV Focus Hex Soft, or Plus 25 if you need softer, or Plus 38 if you need softer still (tension maintenance will be progressively worse, though)
- Signum Pro Thunderstorm
- Tourna Big Hitter Black 7
- YTEX Square-X, Octotwist
legcramp
Professional
Thanks I'll also check those out. And I am using both CT 16 & 17, I find both of them trampoline around the same time, at 7-8 hours mark. Maybe I am asking for too much, comfort, spin, and above average tension maintenance. I should just cut out my strings every 6 hours and be done with it.
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