Mayami strings

dsp9753

dsp9753

Semi-Pro
Is anyone else having problems ordering from their website? The option to ship to US is missing for me, I have never had a problem before.
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
I’m not sure which distribution list I’m signed to, but the emails I usually receive all have an overly dramatic tone and are also often accompanied by the communication of drastic changes to their business model. I get that it’s a tough environment for string makers out there but if we’re to assume there are mainly 4 business models for string makers nowadays:

1. Large OEMs who sponsor pro players (luxilon, head, babolat, tecnifibre, yonex, maybe solinco goes in here too);
2. Second tier companies that focus on strings only and may sponsor a few pros but sell at a discount relative to group 1 (signum pro, kirshbaum, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma, …);
3. Companies that sponsor youtubers (toroline, grapplesnake, restring…) and sell at a small premium compared to group 2;
4. Budget companies which sell at a huge discount relative to all other groups (pro’s pro, OEHMS, perhaps topspin? I’m sure there’s more).

Where does Mayami fit? They’re definitely more expensive than group 2 but at this point they look nothing like group 3. Having played only two of their strings (tour hex and hit pro) I see why they have a cult following but with so many options out there it seems hard to justify the current prices when great strings such as head lynx tour or head hawk, sell for roughly the same and even luxilon is priced close to mid 100s during discounts.
 
EggSalad

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
what_army said:
I’m not sure which distribution list I’m signed to, but the emails I usually receive all have an overly dramatic tone and are also often accompanied by the communication of drastic changes to their business model. I get that it’s a tough environment for string makers out there but if we’re to assume there are mainly 4 business models for string makers nowadays:

1. Large OEMs who sponsor pro players (luxilon, head, babolat, tecnifibre, yonex, maybe solinco goes in here too);
2. Second tier companies that focus on strings only and may sponsor a few pros but sell at a discount relative to group 1 (signum pro, kirshbaum, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma, …);
3. Companies that sponsor youtubers (toroline, grapplesnake, restring…) and sell at a small premium compared to group 2;
4. Budget companies which sell at a huge discount relative to all other groups (pro’s pro, OEHMS, perhaps topspin? I’m sure there’s more).

Where does Mayami fit? They’re definitely more expensive than group 2 but at this point they look nothing like group 3. Having played only two of their strings (tour hex and hit pro) I see why they have a cult following but with so many options out there it seems hard to justify the current prices when great strings such as head lynx tour or head hawk, sell for roughly the same and even luxilon is priced close to mid 100s during discounts.
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I totally agree. It’s also an interesting strategy to continuously complain about your customers to your customers and present this woe is me attitude. It’s really off putting.
 
Elrico

Elrico

Rookie
EggSalad said:
I totally agree. It’s also an interesting strategy to continuously complain about your customers to your customers and present this woe is me attitude. It’s really off putting.
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Indeed, completely agree. I'm anything but a qualified economist, but this sales strategy isn't going to work anywhere. Not in Europe, America, Asia..... Just keep a normal sale with fixed prices, occasionally a nice discount. Fair, clear agreements, the same for every buyer. All that makes quality, not just the physical characteristics that everyone is already convinced of or a language or translation barrier.
I would say, do it normally without any fuss or complicated personal statements.
Good luck !!!!!
 
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what_army said:
I’m not sure which distribution list I’m signed to, but the emails I usually receive all have an overly dramatic tone and are also often accompanied by the communication of drastic changes to their business model. I get that it’s a tough environment for string makers out there but if we’re to assume there are mainly 4 business models for string makers nowadays:

1. Large OEMs who sponsor pro players (luxilon, head, babolat, tecnifibre, yonex, maybe solinco goes in here too);
2. Second tier companies that focus on strings only and may sponsor a few pros but sell at a discount relative to group 1 (signum pro, kirshbaum, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma, …);
3. Companies that sponsor youtubers (toroline, grapplesnake, restring…) and sell at a small premium compared to group 2;
4. Budget companies which sell at a huge discount relative to all other groups (pro’s pro, OEHMS, perhaps topspin? I’m sure there’s more).

Where does Mayami fit? They’re definitely more expensive than group 2 but at this point they look nothing like group 3. Having played only two of their strings (tour hex and hit pro) I see why they have a cult following but with so many options out there it seems hard to justify the current prices when great strings such as head lynx tour or head hawk, sell for roughly the same and even luxilon is priced close to mid 100s during discounts.
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"I only get a dramatic tone" Do you want them to have fun when their country has been at war for two years and they need to survive? I also received emails today that they do not receive enough income to cover their expenses.

You wrote that their prices are higher than Kirschbaum, Signum Pro, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma. I think that they have higher prices only then msv, but the same and not higher then other brands. You mean EU market or US? What prices do you think would be competitive for them in the market and what strategy should they choose?
 
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ulunxtns

Professional
I just saw the email, their strings are not bad, but those emails are really annoying. I believe every company has its difficulties, but constantly complaining is not helping the business, it just feels unprofessional.

Just set the prices, if people don't want to buy your strings, that means there are better options for them. If your strings are really that good, people will come back. It sounds simple to me, but they made it so complicated. Unless they think all these emails will make people like them more.
 
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Deleted member 796924

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ulunxtns said:
I just saw the email, their strings are not bad, but those emails are really annoying. I believe every company has its difficulties, but constantly complaining is not helping the business, it just feels unprofessional.

Just set the prices, if people don't want to buy your strings, that means there are better options for them. If your strings are really that good, people will come back. It sounds simple to me, but they made it so complicated. Unless they think all these emails will make people like them more.
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They say in the emails that they do not receive enough income to cover expenses since they opened a company in another country and therefore are looking for additional income and will not focus only on the brand. They warn people not to expect an immediate response, and also discounts too. What are they doing wrong?

And show me at least one brand on the market when it came out in 2019 and during these 4 years there was a coronavirus on the market for 2 years and 2 years of war. Show me one more brand.

But about prices i think you right
 
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ulunxtns

Professional
Match77 said:
They say in the emails that they do not receive enough income to cover expenses since they opened a company in another country and therefore are looking for additional income and will not focus only on the brand. They warn people not to expect an immediate response, and also discounts too. What are they doing wrong?

And show me at least one brand on the market when it came out in 2019 and during these 4 years there was a coronavirus on the market for 2 years and 2 years of war. Show me one more brand
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@Match77 I'm just saying how I feel about it. You don't have to get angry about it. Maybe that's why you wrote those emails.

After an easy search, all your posts are about Mayami strings, so say less.

I was one of your customers, I placed several orders from you guys in the past. TBH, I stopped buying from you guys because of all these emails. I wouldn't have an issue if you raised your price slightly by saying nothing. Like I said, let your products do the talk, if they are worth the price, people will buy them.
 
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Holic

Semi-Pro
Mayami Tour Hex. Amazing string, only Silver7Tour could match it but it has a higher launch angle so not my cup of tea.
 
Elrico

Elrico

Rookie
ulunxtns said:
I just saw the email, their strings are not bad, but those emails are really annoying. I believe every company has its difficulties, but constantly complaining is not helping the business, it just feels unprofessional.

Just set the prices, if people don't want to buy your strings, that means there are better options for them. If your strings are really that good, people will come back. It sounds simple to me, but they made it so complicated. Unless they think all these emails will make people like them more.
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I agree. Without bad thoughts and intentions!!! It is granted to everyone, but sometimes .... it gets annoying.....
Although ... people are reading and talking about it again ... intention achieved?
 
EggSalad

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
Match77 said:
"I only get a dramatic tone" Do you want them to have fun when their country has been at war for two years and they need to survive? I also received emails today that they do not receive enough income to cover their expenses.

You wrote that their prices are higher than Kirschbaum, Signum Pro, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma. I think that they have higher prices only then msv, but the same and not higher then other brands. You mean EU market or US? What prices do you think would be competitive for them in the market and what strategy should they choose?
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Match77 said:
They say in the emails that they do not receive enough income to cover expenses since they opened a company in another country and therefore are looking for additional income and will not focus only on the brand. They warn people not to expect an immediate response, and also discounts too. What are they doing wrong?

And show me at least one brand on the market when it came out in 2019 and during these 4 years there was a coronavirus on the market for 2 years and 2 years of war. Show me one more brand.

But about prices i think you right
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It’s really pretty simple; don’t complain about your customers or struggling business in direct, email correspondence to your customers.

I like their strings a lot and I want to support their business given the hardships they face.

But this is marketing 101 type stuff. I’ve never seen a brand brow beat their own customers, complain about running a business and then become successful.

I think they should shop their IP / formulas to another brand, make some money and get out of the business.
 
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ulunxtns

Professional
EggSalad said:
It’s really pretty simple; don’t complain about your customers or struggling business in direct, email correspondence to your customers.

I like their strings a lot and I want to support their business given the hardships they face.

But this is marketing 101 type stuff. I’ve never seen a brand brow beat their own customers, complain about running a business and then become successful.

I think they should shop their IP / formulas to another brand, make some money and get out of the business.
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Maybe they should learn something from this, start a new company, and rebrand everything. New name, new packaging, new website to clean this up.
 
EggSalad

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
It’s a Mayami email kind of day. They just sent another and the net is that they are going back to their original pricing model which will be around $60 euro for reels and $6 euro for sets. I think this is a great move and can’t wait to stock up at these new prices.

I hope the low prices get a lot of attention, convert new users and boost their business.
 
einca13

einca13

Rookie
I enjoyed tour hex, but that was their only offering I liked. However, the string was not dramatically better than my typical setups. At the time with reels under $100 it was a certainly a great string for the money.

i empathize with the difficult conditions they have faced and understand the string business is ultra competitive, but the emails they send with the constant complaining is pretty annoying. As others have stated maybe they should follow the TruPro model. Keep a constant price with discounts throughout the year.

I just unsubscribed from their email list and will move on from the brand. I wish them luck.
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
EggSalad said:
It’s a Mayami email kind of day. They just sent another and the net is that they are going back to their original pricing model which will be around $60 euro for reels and $6 euro for sets. I think this is a great move and can’t wait to stock up at these new prices.

I hope the low prices get a lot of attention, convert new users and boost their business.
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Agreed I’ll also buy some. This is indeed a better move from them.
 
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Spoon

New User
Wow! The new prices are amazing! I just bought another reel of Big Spin. And I think you can't beat the actual price/performance ratio of Tour Hex!
 
K

KMagix

New User
einca13 said:
I enjoyed tour hex, but that was their only offering I liked. However, the string was not dramatically better than my typical setups. At the time with reels under $100 it was a certainly a great string for the money.

i empathize with the difficult conditions they have faced and understand the string business is ultra competitive, but the emails they send with the constant complaining is pretty annoying. As others have stated maybe they should follow the TruPro model. Keep a constant price with discounts throughout the year.

I just unsubscribed from their email list and will move on from the brand. I wish them luck.
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I agree. I really like their strings, currently using Tour Hex and still have 2 reels left.
But after all these emails, I just unsubscribed and will move on.
 
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LocNetMonster

Professional
what_army said:
I’m not sure which distribution list I’m signed to, but the emails I usually receive all have an overly dramatic tone and are also often accompanied by the communication of drastic changes to their business model. I get that it’s a tough environment for string makers out there but if we’re to assume there are mainly 4 business models for string makers nowadays:

1. Large OEMs who sponsor pro players (luxilon, head, babolat, tecnifibre, yonex, maybe solinco goes in here too);
2. Second tier companies that focus on strings only and may sponsor a few pros but sell at a discount relative to group 1 (signum pro, kirshbaum, volkl, weisscannon, msv, gamma, …);
3. Companies that sponsor youtubers (toroline, grapplesnake, restring…) and sell at a small premium compared to group 2;
4. Budget companies which sell at a huge discount relative to all other groups (pro’s pro, OEHMS, perhaps topspin? I’m sure there’s more).

Where does Mayami fit? They’re definitely more expensive than group 2 but at this point they look nothing like group 3. Having played only two of their strings (tour hex and hit pro) I see why they have a cult following but with so many options out there it seems hard to justify the current prices when great strings such as head lynx tour or head hawk, sell for roughly the same and even luxilon is priced close to mid 100s during discounts.
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Mayami doesn't fit in any of the above. The owner operates in a completely different metaverse, which I'll call #5.

5. A one-man operation whose country was invaded by a neighbor indiscriminately killing your countrymen, women, and children. A business owner, now a refugee, who has relocated his family and his inventory, by my count, to three different countries. In Ukraine, his business provided for his family. His struggle is frustrating and unimaginable. Living and operating in the West, it is not even close considering tariffs, overcoming business restrictions for foreign nationals, and higher cost of living. Then there is the headache of shipping and payment processing from a country you don't live in. His motivation for raising prices, it seems would be so he could make ends meet to keep a roof over his family's head and food on the table. Until Russia gets the hell out of Ukraine, he's got a tough row to hoe. Period.

Was the recent retail price increase out of hand? Not at all if he was a more established retailer/distributor. Reels from TruPro, Solinco, and YTek are selling in the $150-$190 price range. Building a business as a sole proprietor, being the upstart, in a competitive market is tough as hell. I've never had to do it from another country with basically the clothes on my back and a small family. It truly sucks for him and it's too bad because Mayami Strings are solid.

Are the emails and flip-flopping pricing annoying? Yep. English is not his first or second or third language and Google Translate sucks ... LOL ... Personally, I'd much rather get his updates in Russian or Ukrainian with the English translation.

Is his situation unrelatable here in the States? Yep. Understandable? Hell, yeah. The man is trying to survive in the tiebreaker for his life and that of his family. Cut Mayami a little slack until the War is over.
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
Holic said:
Tour Hex currently on 60€. I ll buy 2-3 reels for sure.
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I was looking to buy a reel now but i see there’s only 1.23 available. I could almost swear I strung tour hex 1.28 back in the day (maybe I’m wrong? I definitely played with 1.30 hit pro).

How is this 1.23? Very thin? Or is it like lynx tour where any variation seems thicker than the stated gauge?
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
I just bought 1 tour tour hex reel. At 60eur +free shipping it’s a fantastic deal.

(Still interested in your views about this 1.23 gauge, I typically prefer thicker strings).
 
EggSalad

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
what_army said:
I was looking to buy a reel now but i see there’s only 1.23 available. I could almost swear I strung tour hex 1.28 back in the day (maybe I’m wrong? I definitely played with 1.30 hit pro).

How is this 1.23? Very thin? Or is it like lynx tour where any variation seems thicker than the stated gauge?
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They stopped making the 1.28 guage.

1.23 does play thicker, similar to how Lynx Tour does. It also adds 1-2 more SW points than most round 1.25 polys.

It doesn’t play thin
 
galapagos

galapagos

Hall of Fame
all the background noise aside... Having tested so many strings i must say this price for this value is a crazy good deal. I sometimes miss their 1.30 big spin but big spin/tour hex its a cheat code as well. Tour hex is their best overall string that can easily compete with head lynx tour and tecnifibre razor code. and hit pro has amazing feel!
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
born_hard said:
Thanks, i ordered Tour Hex to Germany, lets see how many days i have to wait. Curious how the strings play.
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I played with the 1.28 gauge a while ago and it felt relatable to lynx tour. It’s very much geared towards control with decent tension maintenance.
 
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MaiTai

Rookie
born_hard said:
Thanks, i ordered Tour Hex to Germany, lets see how many days i have to wait. Curious how the strings play.
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Me too. Couldn't resist this kind of deal. 59€ + 10% Code (53,10€ with free shipping) won't get any better.
Should have bought more reels, but i still have one at home xD
 
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fieryoOo

Rookie
Wanted to try out tour hex for a while but can't get it in the US so I'm testing hexonic power now instead. It's a shame because I like the blue color better lol.
 
EggSalad

EggSalad

Hall of Fame
VanDerVaart23 said:
Has anyone put an order for the US? How long is it taking them to ship? Been waiting a week, but I don't think my order has shipped yet.
Tour Hex reel went sold out as soon as they opened International Shipping
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I’m in the same boat. I emailed them last night to get an idea of when it will ship. I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I’m sure they are still working through logistics and maybe jumped the gun a little in opening US shipping them getting crushed with orders.
 
VanDerVaart23

VanDerVaart23

Rookie
EggSalad said:
I’m in the same boat. I emailed them last night to get an idea of when it will ship. I’m going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I’m sure they are still working through logistics and maybe jumped the gun a little in opening US shipping them getting crushed with orders.
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I'm gonna wait too. Hopefully we saved their business!
 
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LocNetMonster

Professional
VanDerVaart23 said:
Has anyone put an order for the US? How long is it taking them to ship? Been waiting a week, but I don't think my order has shipped yet.
Tour Hex reel went sold out as soon as they opened International Shipping
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Hopefully, everyone will be patient with them getting orders out in the next month or so. I'm sure they will have more than a few bugs and headaches to work out with the first set of orders. After that, they'll have a "well-oiled" process for getting orders out quickly. It will be interesting to see how the international postal part works. If I had more $$$ and time, I'd order 8-10 reels at a time and sell them to folks who wanted them in the US.
 
what_army

what_army

Professional
I received my tour hex reel in 1 week but I’m in europe. Hopefully you people in the US receive yours quickly.

A quick review: there are obvious similitudes with lynx tour although tour hex has sharper edges, more spin, an higher launch angle and feels a bit softer whereas LT wins when it comes to control. I loved serving with tour hex, you can see a lot of action on the ball. Overall it’s a nice string but to properly compare to LT 1.25 we would need mayami to bring back the 1.28 gauge which I’m not sure they’ll do. In terms of weight, tour hex was just under a gram heavier than hit pro but more than a gram lighter than lynx tour (installed on my blade 98 18x20). At this point I prefer LT due to its predictability.
 
galapagos

galapagos

Hall of Fame
what_army said:
I received my tour hex reel in 1 week but I’m in europe. Hopefully you people in the US receive yours quickly.

A quick review: there are obvious similitudes with lynx tour although tour hex has sharper edges, more spin, an higher launch angle and feels a bit softer whereas LT wins when it comes to control. I loved serving with tour hex, you can see a lot of action on the ball. Overall it’s a nice string but to properly compare to LT 1.25 we would need mayami to bring back the 1.28 gauge which I’m not sure they’ll do. In terms of weight, tour hex was just under a gram heavier than hit pro but more than a gram lighter than lynx tour (installed on my blade 98 18x20). At this point I prefer LT due to its predictability.
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from thinner gauges I prefer tour hex. with thicker gauges I prefer lynx tour. I think Mayami's best thicker gauges strings were Big Spin 1.30 and Hit Pro 1.30. On the other hand Magic Twist 1.30 was a very good alternative to RPB Blast Rough - both are a bit too low powered for my taste in 1.30 gauge.
 
Tennisist

Tennisist

Professional
VanDerVaart23 said:
Has anyone done Tour hex Mains with a round soft poly crosses?
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I’ve tried several. My favorite so far is Mayami Tour Hex / Head Sonic Pro.
44/41 in Diadem Tour V3. I like it much better than by itself, or crossed with other polys ( WC Mosquito Bite, Gosen Poly Master, Polyfibre HighTec Premuim ) PolyStar Classic is also close, but it is white…
 
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