It's sad to see nole not being undisputed heavyweight champion anymore but we have got worthy champion.
Honest question. How long have you been watching tennis?
Yes. Djokovic remains the greatest to hold that title, but Sinner seems the rightful heir to it with his incredible consistency.
A long time but I never knew YE #1 got trophies. That never seemed to be a big deal.
I rarely watch the YEC. I prefer outdoor tournaments.
Idk if I'd say it's a very big deal. Like Sinner here, he shows up on an off day in street clothes to collect the trophy. It's usually something that's not in doubt before the tournament starts and is just a formality between matches
Imagine if Federer had another ATG from his generation, instead of being the only one sitting between Sampras/Agassi who were 10-11 years older than him and Nadal/Djokovic who were 5-6 years younger than him.
Yes, how.
Now imagine if Fed had a fully developed all surface ATG from his own gen instead of a clay player from the gen after. Only ATG that did not same gen fellow ATG. Inflation indeed.
Yeah but in truth nobody really cares about it. Dont think they used to pre 2000, its just a bit of a marketing gimmick in truth.
As we know now the Greatest of that Big 4 era will be seen as Nadal or Federer, but which one for you? Alcaraz and Sinner keep flipping between the two lol!
Highest peak ever at W/USO so still wins 5 in a row x2, plus a RG and a few AO thanks to his longevity there. Nadal/Djokovic suffer the most if the inflation era gets cut down by 90s born sinner/Alcaraz level players.
Because you say so? Yeah, sure.
Didnt Federer beat Djokovic on the way to 2 of his USO wins? Or was it just one? I remember there was one as im sure he hit a tweener and Djokovic had a yellow shirt on?
Only peak Sampras on very fast low bouncing old grass and peak Sampras on fast USO would stand a chance over versions like 03, 06 Federer. Djokovic would need a slow, dull HC and a 30+ Federer to eek out a win.Because you say so? Yeah, sure.
In 2008 the generation after were meant to start being threats on all surfaces. But what about all the years before then. When Federer joined the tour, there were no immediate ATG from the generation before his, we still need to skip a generation to get back to Sampras and Agassi.
"Heavyweight" is the right word
He's one of the cleanest, most dangerous ballstrikers I've ever seen in the game, right up there with the likes of Agassi and Safin. As much as I've been talking him down and talking up Alcaraz, there's no denying he deserves every bit of this. He's had a phenomenal season and he's got everything it takes to stay in the elite circles for the foreseeable future.
Sinner is an amazing player and a very welcomed addition to the elite of the sport."Heavyweight" is the right word
Keep sounding like a broken record, this discussion is getting old. Cry more
2019-2023 is whole new level of bad. Djokovic was facing likes of Casper Ruud and Tsitsipas in multiple slam finals. Then when you look at semi finalists it gets even worse. Shapovalov, Norrie, Tommy Paul, Bautista Agut. Complete mugs for majority of his slams won.
Philippoussis, Grosjean, Kiefer, Baghdatis, Bjorkman, Gonzalez
Tested positive twice for doping though.
True, no one can dispute or relativize that.
I didn't know it was a thing either, probably need to pay more attention to off court activities.Yes, how.
Philippousis - quality grass court player. Some big overall wins over Pete and went close before retiring in 1999. 2nd best opponent of the tournament after peak Roddick, who is clear of anyone Djokovic faced on grass between 21-22.
This is all subjective, not some objective indisputable truth, like saying Federer has 8 Wimbledon titles, which is universally seen as an objective fact. You can have your subjective views, I disagree and that is the end of this discussion.
Of course the opinions of those people who might get a hernia if they attempt to get off their couch a little too quickly matter more than actual professional players, who busted their butts to ascend to the point, where they can claim they were the best in the world at what they did. Right?You have an actual tennis pro, currently the best in the world, telling you explicitly that winning the YE1 is best trophy they have. Plus prior greats like Fed or Novak that have all said how being #1 is maybe the greatest accomplishments. Yet online posters who can’t get out of their couch tell us no one cares about this
