MC 2011 F: [1] Rafael Nadal (ESP) vs. [4] David Ferrer (ESP)

Who will prevail in the Spanish battle?

  • Nadal in two

    Votes: 35 46.7%
  • Nadal in three

    Votes: 15 20.0%
  • Nadal by retirement

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ferrer in two

    Votes: 9 12.0%
  • Ferrer in three

    Votes: 14 18.7%
  • Ferrer by retirement

    Votes: 2 2.7%

  • Total voters
    75
I was unaware that the rules of tennis changed and winning a second set out of three or a hypothetical situation regarding an absentee player negated a W. :confused:

Nicely done.
I was just saying Murray winning a set on his worst surface and being injured, Djokovic would've won as Djokovic is much more comfortable on clay. Madrid is for sure Djokovic's btw. ;)
 
Dark lol! :lol:


he was payed top molasses just to drag his butt here, but those days are gone because of the "cash flow" issues...

EU sent the FMI, but most of us suspect that tehy should have sent the FBI... :)
 
I was just saying Murray winning a set on his worst surface and being injured, Djokovic would've won as Djokovic is much more comfortable on clay. Madrid is for sure Djokovic's btw. ;)

Actually what's ironic is, Nadal took two sets of a red hot Novak, almost beating him on his worst surface and Novak's best surface. That is a much bigger accomplishment than a red hot Novak beating a mediocre Rafa on clay. Not that I expect the latter to happen, but just saying.
 
EU sent the FMI, but most of us suspect that tehy should have sent the FBI... :)

Damn straight! Either that, or assume the incontrovertible fact that corruption is an indissoluble part of human nature and design a new moral system around it, instead of denying the evidence. But that's another tournament.
 
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That babe on the far left, NOT right is pretty hot. Do you guys have her phone number ? i like to ask her out.
 
Damn straight! Either that, or assume the incontrovertible fact that corruption is an indissoluble part of human nature and design a new moral system around it, instead of denying the evidence. But that's another tournament.

philosofical lmao... totally agree!

in fact believe we should recreate economy around awhole new ethos! but you said it... whole new tournament!
 
That babe on the far left, NOT right is pretty hot. Do you guys have her phone number ? i like to ask her out.

Lol, she marries the Prince of Monaco soon, doubt you can compete with that. Although I heard she has a soft spot for guys who went to Standford.
 
Lol, she marries the Prince of Monaco soon, doubt you can compete with that. Although I heard she has a soft spot for guys who went to Standford.

Yea,,i plan on flashing my old student ID card at her face and she will melt like butter.....and we will make out in Taube family stadium at night. By the way, you misspelled stanford. I forgive you my friend.
 
Yea,,i plan on flashing my old student ID card at her face and she will melt like butter.....and we will make out in Taube family stadium at night. By the way, you misspelled stanford. I forgive you my friend.

LOL, you had to know that was deliberate! I don't think anyone on these boards will ever spell Stanford correctly again. :p
 
Actually what's ironic is, Nadal took two sets of a red hot Novak, almost beating him on his worst surface and Novak's best surface. That is a much bigger accomplishment than a red hot Novak beating a mediocre Rafa on clay. Not that I expect the latter to happen, but just saying.

Djokovic was far from red hot in the sets he lost to Nadal in both Indian Wells and Miami, but just saying..
 
I don't think he will. He's not a teenager anymore.

I think he'll try to play to fulfill his obligations, but will go out early to preserve himself. Probably to someone where it won't affect his h2h too much. I'm not expecting to see him on the weekend, in other words.
 
LOL @ the fuming *******s in here. I think I enjoy seeing them get angry at Nadal's titles than seeing him hold up the trophy. :Thought about it, nah. :-) It is a good day.
 
Much tighter from Rafa than yesterday but still a submediocre match from him.

Congrats on the title but his game needs to up itself 1-2 levels if he wants to win RG. This was B- performance overall.

Not enough DTL fh, his BH was better today but holy cow, how many UE did he make? Rafa is just too passive and goes for it once he has had enough. Not the right attitude. I mean come on, he was passive at 0-40 on Ferrer second serves. If you don't come on in at that time, when are you gonna do it?

Rafa's level has dropped massively on clay as far as I am concerned. I wonder if he can get some of it back. Watch MC 2010 highlights and then compare it with this. This Nadal would get bageled by the 2008/2010 version. Even the 2009 one was better.

Good post. I've been saying this for a while now, all through this week. Instead, nadalbestclass and other posters don't agree and think Nadal is playing his best tennis.

When Nadal is playing well, he either hits the ball close to the lines, or even when he hits it short, he hits it near the sidelines (away from the center of the court) so the spin yanks his opponents sideways.

OTOH, when Nadal's is out of form, he hits the ball in the middle of the court typically in a box on either side of the center line. The spin makes it worse (as there is no angle) and the ball just bounces into the hitting zone of his opponent. Ferrer doesn't have the weight of the shot (and height) to take the ball on the rise and hit through Rafa. But players like Djokovic, Murray, Soderling, Del Potro do, who will surely have their chances against "this" Nadal.

And gosh..why is he shanking the ball so much on clay. The stats don't look good, I typically don't recall him hitting so few forehand winners in his victories. I mean in the Murray match Nadal had 2 (yes two) forehand winners until 3rd set 1-1 when they had already played for 2 hrs 15 minutes!

This is a little sad. While it's great to see him win such a big title, and winning seven in a row is a remarkable achievement, the details show that the current Rafa looks more like the 2009 version who scraped by his matches.

Maybe it's the hardcourt victories , losses, burnouts and injuries for which he is paying the price now. Whatever the reason, Rafa doesn't look anywhere close to the player he was in 2010.

Nadal is usually a force on clay and grass (as unbeatable as it gets) but the truth is, right now, it's not even enjoyable to see him playing like this. That's because it shows a player who is struggling and laboring for his wins compared to the hitherto near invincible king of clay.

Perhaps, unlike 2009, he gets lucky this time and wins nonetheless?
 
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I think Nadal is just fine. Gotta look at what he just did rather than what he is going to do at RG. Because what he just did is quite a feat, and RG is still some weeks away. And this tournament is almost a solid proof that he can continue winning on clay even if he doesn't play his best.

For the rest of the season it can be an entirely different story. But on clay he reigns supreme, that is all.
 
However, Nadal is usually a force on clay and grass (as unbeatable as it gets) but the truth is, right now, it's not even enjoyable to see him playing like this. That's because it shows a player who is struggling and laboring for his wins

This stuff is comical. I wonder how melodramatic you would be had he dropped two sets on way to the title instead of only one. In fact, his opponents surpassed 4 games in a set only twice in the tournament.
 
Rafa's post Final Presser

Rafael Nadal b. David Ferrer 6-4 7-5

17-04-2011

Q. Number seven. How does it feel?
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, it's really emotional, no, and unbelievable for me. I start the clay season like this is fantastic, but is fantastic winning Monte‑Carlo another time, no? Probably is a tournament that in the category of 1000 tournaments is the one that I feel more emotional when I am playing for the history of the tournament because here in 2003 everything starts. When I played qualify, I passed qualify, I won two matches. It was for the first time in my career top 100.
Always is special emotions with this tournament, no? After 2005, I won seven in a row. So is something impossible to imagine for me because win seven times in a row any one is almost impossible I think. But to win Monte‑Carlo, all the best players in the world are here, you always have tough matches, is impossible to imagine for me.
So I am very lucky, I think.

Q. Nearly three hours and another hard game today. Physically how do you feel after those two games?
RAFAEL NADAL: I feel a little bit tired, sure. During the match I was more tired than usual today. But in general was positive. That's important because these kind of matches, like yesterday, like today, improves your condition physical and mental, no?
Is negative because you spent a lot of time on court, you have to run a lot on court, is always tough for the body. But if you talk about mental, you talk about until physical, that can help a lot for the rest of the clay season.

Q. You were in the finals of Indian Wells and Miami. That is an awful lot of tennis to have played in a short space of time. It's hard to believe that someone can keep playing that level of tennis week in, week out.
RAFAEL NADAL: Well, last month and a half I think was very positive. Is true, no, I played all the matches possible to play. I played all the finals. So that's very, very good news, fantastic news, because I played when I was health, without problems. I played every final. So that's a lot of confidence for me.
Was hard lose, especially the Miami one. I was a little bit more nervous today because I know was three in a row 1000 finals, going be tough. I was a little bit nervous when I had the chance to win the second. But I was lucky little bit. One mistake with the smash 15‑All, was important point. After that probably David had a few more mistakes, one double‑fault. That helped me a lot to finish the match. I think last game, even if was tough, I think I played well last game.
Even if the match was 30‑All, I only had the mistake of the smash, dropshot volley. But wasn't easy. So in general I am happy with how I closed the match today.
I will try my best next week this Barcelona. Another historic tournament, important for me. I'm excited to come back there after last year.
So sure is tough. But I was injured the beginning of the season. I had almost one month out of competition. I happy to come back. I happy to play and to be competitive in every match.
Indian Wells to Wimbledon is the most part of the season for me, these four or five months are decisive in my season. Everything starts very well. Let's keep that with humble, motivation, and positive attitude every day. That's the only way to keep playing at this level because the important thing is I didn't play perfect this tournament and I won. I have something to improve and I am excited to try to do it. (LOVE this about him!)
Q. UBALDO SCANAGATTA Aren't you afraid to play too much? You're thinking about Barcelona, Madrid, Rome, Paris. Is it not asking too much of your body, something that worries you?
RAFAEL NADAL: I don't know. Seriously, I don't know.

Q. It's you who decides the schedule. Some years ago you said you were playing maybe too much. Is there something you're going to do if you always reach the final, maybe skip one tournament?
RAFAEL NADAL: That's my schedule. That's what I chosed [sic] last year or few months ago. I am happy about my calendar. If I am wrong, let's see in a few months. Is difficult to say now if I am wrong or I am asking too much of my body because the tennis is always like this. Is not the same if you play finals or you play second round or third round.
But the most important thing is not the tournaments, is the matches that you are playing, no? That's true. I played three finals in a row. So I played full matches, some long matches, is true.
But my calendar, you know, is difficult to say that I am playing a lot or I'm playing too much because I played one tournament to prepare Australia, Australian Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Monte‑Carlo, Barcelona. That's the only one that's obligatory. Monte‑Carlo, Barcelona, Madrid, Rome, one tournament to prepare Wimbledon. I like to play there in Queen's. I have to do it. Wimbledon. I play Cincinnati and Montréal this year. So US Open, Tokyo, Shanghai, Paris, and hopefully London. I don't know yet. Let's see.
I have like maybe three, four tournaments outside the obligatory tournaments. Few ones are obligatory because you have to prepare the Grand Slam. Other ones is obligatory if you want to try to be in the top positions of the rankings. That's what I say. I'm not playing 25 tournaments. Maybe I'm playing 18 or 19 tournaments maximum.

Q. There are these four or five one after another.
RAFAEL NADAL: That's the calendar. That's where I have to play my best, where I have to do a lot of points. Every year I did a fantastic clay court season. I have to try to do it another time. With these four or five tournaments is where, if I am playing very well, I'm going to have the biggest chances to have enough points to try to be in the top position at the end of the year of the ranking. That's the top of my system in general. So I have to try.
I am health now, so why not?

Q. Can you talk about the sensations you had on the court for your game throughout the week.
RAFAEL NADAL: I think I practiced very bad before the tournament. When the competition start, I started to play much better. First round was comfortable. Third round I think I played enough well. Second round wasn't an easy match against Richard. I was very happy how I played second round. Against Ljubicic was impossible to analyze nothing because was terrible windy, but keep winning in straight sets.
Semifinals and final, I think the most negative thing, yeah, is for the moment I am not able to play all the time at the best of my level, no? I'm playing a few games very well. After seems like is easier to lose the concentration than usual, no? That's the only, in my opinion, negative thing.
I hope this victory help me a lot for the confidence. Maybe I am a little bit more nervous than usual. I'm playing a little bit more defensive than what I have to do. So hopefully this victory is a lot of confidence for me after playing two finals in a row.
So the positive results are coming. Hopefully I'm going to play much more aggressive. I gonna try.

http://www.ubitennis.com/sport/tennis/2011/04/17/491928-rafael_nadal_david_ferrer.shtml
 
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Rest of it

Q. You say you're more nervous. Is that because of the three finals you lost?
RAFAEL NADAL: Every season is completely different. When you start the season, you don't know where you gonna be. I started the season ‑ I said a hundred times, no ‑ I felt fantastic, well, before I started the season. I was a little bit unlucky at the beginning of the season. After that, you start, have tough matches. Indian Wells was very positive result for me, important for the confidence, even though I didn't play well be in the final. Miami I think I started to play much better.
Here I did well. I didn't play very, very well, but I did well I think moments better than others. The two loses of the finals, especially the Miami one, affects a little bit. You are more nervous than usual, for sure.

Q. You said last year you played maybe your best tennis on clay here.
RAFAEL NADAL: I think so.

Q. This week was not the same. For the confidence, what is the difference between playing so well or winning without playing so well?
RAFAEL NADAL: Always you have to think about positive. You are playing too well, is fantastic because you are playing unbelievable. Let's keep doing like this. If you are winning without playing your best, seems like you have enough tennis to keep being competitive even if you're not playing perfect. So let's try to play better. If you play better, you have even more chances.
So that's the positive way of both things, no? I said I didn't play bad. I played okay, I think. But I think I can improve a few things for next weeks. I think this victory gonna give me lot of confidence. You know, I am sliding less than usual on clay. Is easier to defend well when you are sliding, especially to the forehand. I am not doing well the service. But two more days to practice for Barcelona. Let's see.

Q. Is more difficult to win a tournament seven times in a row or a Grand Slam tournament?
RAFAEL NADAL: That's a joke. Is no answer for this. Is much more difficult win seven times in a row than win Grand Slam. Win a Grand Slam is two weeks, one tournament. If you are playing well that two weeks, almost everybody can win.
Seven times in a row one tournament, a lot of factors have to be there. You have to be health, you have to be health every year there, you have to play well every year there. Is not a small tournament; is a big tournament. You have to win difficult matches. You have to pass over difficult situations. Seven years are a lot, a lot of matches that you really can lose.

Q. You keep saying that what you're doing is almost impossible every time you win a tournament. It's impossible to win the French and Wimbledon back to back. You do it. You're almost making the impossible possible.
RAFAEL NADAL: But when I say that, I am not saying nothing that I don't think. That's what I feel. When I am practicing in Mallorca, three days before I start the clay season, I always think I gonna be ready to play well another time and to win another time. I hope yes.
But at the end of the day the true is you never know when this start and you never know when this end. You have to be ready for everything for accept both things. Is easier to accept everything if you think that is impossible what you did last year.
Is another thing I said: When everybody talks about, You are the favorite, at the end of the day is play every match. When you go on court every day, you can win, you can lose. That's what I think. I am not saying nothing strange, I think. Even if I won a lot on clay the last few years, is true, but I can lose.

Q. You're proving yourself wrong almost.
RAFAEL NADAL: No, I think the tennis is A very competitive game. Even if sometimes, you know, you win 6‑3, 6‑3, or 6‑3, 6‑4, these few points during the match for sure can change the situation and the score of the match. If you are not ready to win these three or four points, you gonna be in big trouble almost in every match.
That's what I think. I don't know if I gonna be ready to keep winning these three or four important points in the match for how many years or how much time.

Q. UBALDO SCANAGATTA Another question difficult for you to answer. Do you see yourself still playing for how long? I don't know if you know it. When you think about yourself, do you think, When I am 29, I'll still be playing like Federer trying to win, or you think maybe it's too long?
RAFAEL NADAL: I gonna stop playing tennis when I gonna lose my illusion to keep improving and when I lose my illusion to keep going on court, keep fighting. I don't know when gonna happen that. So I don't know gonna happen next month or gonna happen in five years, two years, eight years. That's the answer. I don't know.
Always talking about the health, no injuries, because you have to stop for an injury, like happen to Carlos Moya. He really want to keep playing, but he is not health enough to keep playing. If I am health, that is the answer.
When I lose my illusion to keep improving, the illusion to try to enjoy the tour, that's the most important thing: be happy and appreciate the things.

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Q. You keep saying that what you're doing is almost impossible every time you win a tournament. It's impossible to win the French and Wimbledon back to back. You do it. You're almost making the impossible possible.
RAFAEL NADAL: But when I say that, I am not saying nothing that I don't think. That's what I feel. When I am practicing in Mallorca, three days before I start the clay season, I always think I gonna be ready to play well another time and to win another time. I hope yes.
But at the end of the day the true is you never know when this start and you never know when this end. You have to be ready for everything for accept both things. Is easier to accept everything if you think that is impossible what you did last year.
Is another thing I said: When everybody talks about, You are the favorite, at the end of the day is play every match. When you go on court every day, you can win, you can lose. That's what I think. I am not saying nothing strange, I think. Even if I won a lot on clay the last few years, is true, but I can lose.

Q. You're proving yourself wrong almost.
RAFAEL NADAL: No, I think the tennis is A very competitive game. Even if sometimes, you know, you win 6‑3, 6‑3, or 6‑3, 6‑4, these few points during the match for sure can change the situation and the score of the match. If you are not ready to win these three or four points, you gonna be in big trouble almost in every match.
That's what I think. I don't know if I gonna be ready to keep winning these three or four important points in the match for how many years or how much time.

Q. UBALDO SCANAGATTA Another question difficult for you to answer. Do you see yourself still playing for how long? I don't know if you know it. When you think about yourself, do you think, When I am 29, I'll still be playing like Federer trying to win, or you think maybe it's too long?
RAFAEL NADAL: I gonna stop playing tennis when I gonna lose my illusion to keep improving and when I lose my illusion to keep going on court, keep fighting. I don't know when gonna happen that. So I don't know gonna happen next month or gonna happen in five years, two years, eight years. That's the answer. I don't know.
Always talking about the health, no injuries, because you have to stop for an injury, like happen to Carlos Moya. He really want to keep playing, but he is not health enough to keep playing. If I am health, that is the answer.
When I lose my illusion to keep improving, the illusion to try to enjoy the tour, that's the most important thing: be happy and appreciate the things.





Wow, they were a little hard on him but he couldn't have answered those questions any better than he did. Some of my favorite things he's ever said there.
 
I find it funny when people try to peek behing his PC discourse, and then it turns out what he says is really what he thinks.
 
Nadal always has his mind on the task in hand. He doesn't allow his mind to jump ahead of events. That's a big strength. Some sportspeople respond very well to talking themselves up and trash-talking opponents, but it does put pressure on yourself if you do that and it does set you up for a fall. Other sportspeople prefer to stay humble, talk their chances down and focus on the task in hand. That's Rafa.
 
Good post. I've been saying this for a while now, all through this week. Instead, nadalbestclass and other posters don't agree and think Nadal is playing his best tennis.

When Nadal is playing well, he either hits the ball close to the lines, or even when he hits it short, he hits it near the sidelines (away from the center of the court) so the spin yanks his opponents sideways.

OTOH, when Nadal's is out of form, he hits the ball in the middle of the court typically in a box on either side of the center line. The spin makes it worse (as there is no angle) and the ball just bounces into the hitting zone of his opponent. Ferrer doesn't have the weight of the shot (and height) to take the ball on the rise and hit through Rafa. But players like Djokovic, Murray, Soderling, Del Potro do, who will surely have their chances against "this" Nadal.

And gosh..why is he shanking the ball so much on clay. The stats don't look good, I typically don't recall him hitting so few forehand winners in his victories. I mean in the Murray match Nadal had 2 (yes two) forehand winners until 3rd set 1-1 when they had already played for 2 hrs 15 minutes!

This is a little sad. While it's great to see him win such a big title, and winning seven in a row is a remarkable achievement, the details show that the current Rafa looks more like the 2009 version who scraped by his matches.

Maybe it's the hardcourt victories , losses, burnouts and injuries for which he is paying the price now. Whatever the reason, Rafa doesn't look anywhere close to the player he was in 2010.

Nadal is usually a force on clay and grass (as unbeatable as it gets) but the truth is, right now, it's not even enjoyable to see him playing like this. That's because it shows a player who is struggling and laboring for his wins compared to the hitherto near invincible king of clay.

Perhaps, unlike 2009, he gets lucky this time and wins nonetheless?

It definitely wasn't his best, but we don't know how he would have approached it had there been a bigger threat across the net.

Nadal has done this most of his years on tour. Hence, the annual
"Nadal won't win the French this year" threads.

He played very conservatively, but when he needed points, he usually got them.

I think it's fantastic that he can hold back. The old Nadal couldn't and it resulted in inexplicable losses at inopportune times.
 
I think Nadal is just fine. Gotta look at what he just did rather than what he is going to do at RG. Because what he just did is quite a feat, and RG is still some weeks away. And this tournament is almost a solid proof that he can continue winning on clay even if he doesn't play his best.

For the rest of the season it can be an entirely different story. But on clay he reigns supreme, that is all.

I love Rafa but the way he's playing isn't fine. It's quite obvious that his horrible decisions schedule-wise are catching up to him. He shouldn't play Barcelona, take a rest, and continue to schedule his tournament tentatively.

He's accomplishing great things with the masters tournaments but I think he's at a point where he should be focusing mostly on conquering slams and perfecting his game on the surfaces he struggles on. (hardcourts)

I don't think any athlete right now who plays the physical style of tennis he plays could continue to win tournaments being in the condition he's in (a perpetual state of exhaustion).
 
Q. You keep saying that what you're doing is almost impossible every time you win a tournament. It's impossible to win the French and Wimbledon back to back. You do it. You're almost making the impossible possible.
RAFAEL NADAL: But when I say that, I am not saying nothing that I don't think. That's what I feel. When I am practicing in Mallorca, three days before I start the clay season, I always think I gonna be ready to play well another time and to win another time. I hope yes.
But at the end of the day the true is you never know when this start and you never know when this end. You have to be ready for everything for accept both things. Is easier to accept everything if you think that is impossible what you did last year.
Is another thing I said: When everybody talks about, You are the favorite, at the end of the day is play every match. When you go on court every day, you can win, you can lose. That's what I think. I am not saying nothing strange, I think. Even if I won a lot on clay the last few years, is true, but I can lose.

Q. You're proving yourself wrong almost.
RAFAEL NADAL: No, I think the tennis is A very competitive game. Even if sometimes, you know, you win 6‑3, 6‑3, or 6‑3, 6‑4, these few points during the match for sure can change the situation and the score of the match. If you are not ready to win these three or four points, you gonna be in big trouble almost in every match.
That's what I think. I don't know if I gonna be ready to keep winning these three or four important points in the match for how many years or how much time.

Q. UBALDO SCANAGATTA Another question difficult for you to answer. Do you see yourself still playing for how long? I don't know if you know it. When you think about yourself, do you think, When I am 29, I'll still be playing like Federer trying to win, or you think maybe it's too long?
RAFAEL NADAL: I gonna stop playing tennis when I gonna lose my illusion to keep improving and when I lose my illusion to keep going on court, keep fighting. I don't know when gonna happen that. So I don't know gonna happen next month or gonna happen in five years, two years, eight years. That's the answer. I don't know.
Always talking about the health, no injuries, because you have to stop for an injury, like happen to Carlos Moya. He really want to keep playing, but he is not health enough to keep playing. If I am health, that is the answer.
When I lose my illusion to keep improving, the illusion to try to enjoy the tour, that's the most important thing: be happy and appreciate the things.





Wow, they were a little hard on him but he couldn't have answered those questions any better than he did. Some of my favorite things he's ever said there.

I still don't understand why so many people hate Rafa. He smashed those questions.
 
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