Meatless diet is starting to catch up on Djokovic.

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Lentils are also hard on your stomack, and cant be eaten when training.
Rice 100g - 2,7g protein 100g tuna -29 g protein
potato -100g- 2g protein 100g steak -25g protein
brussel sprouts 100g-3,4 100g cottage cheese 11g protein

This things dont pack much protein.
Human body needs 56 grams of protein daily.
For Djokovic that is 100 to 150g easy,



So you are left with seeds and nuts like a bird, but
Nuts are high in fat and are good only in moderation.

Wrong comparison. You need to compare how much protein things have per calorie intake,or even per dollar cost. Obviously if some vegetables are full of water, you need to eat a greater quantity in terms of mass.

Excessive protein intake is a very real thing in the western world. Protein deficiency among western vegans is a myth.

 

[maxxy777]

No. He's a human being born with free will and he can do whatever he wants. I mean, he'd have to walk back a lot of what he's promoted, but that's life. Sometimes you have to eat **** and grin about it.

I imagined if i was number one in the world i couldnt do it.I would have had to much ego, damn i have to much ego now lol.

 

[maxxy777]

Wrong comparison. You need to compare how much protein things have per calorie intake,or even per dollar cost. Obviously if some vegetables are full of water, you need to eat a greater quantity in terms of mass.

Excessive protein intake is a very real thing in the western world. Protein deficiency among western vegans is a myth.

Its very slight difference if you look in calories.
Lowest difference is 5x more protein for meat and dairy vs plants.
Potatoe 100g 2g protein 76kcal tuna 29 protein 129 kcal.

Thats why herbivores eat all day long.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Its very slight difference if you look in calories.
Lowest difference is 5x more protein for meat and dairy vs plants.
Potatoe 100g 2g protein 76kcal tuna 29 protein 129 kcal.

Thats why herbivores eat all day long.

Conveniently, you picked potatoes which have the highest carbohydrate content out of those foods. Nobody eat poatoes for its protein, but it does have some. Why don't you compare beans, lentils, nuts and seeds?

Only grazing animals eat all day, because grass has a very low calorie content. Humans are not grazers, we eat vegetables with much higher calorie content. That's why vegans don't need to "eat all day long".

 

[maxxy777]

Conveniently, you picked potatoes which have the highest carbohydrate content out of those foods. Nobody eat poatoes for its protein, but it does have some. Why don't you compare beans, lentils, nuts and seeds?

Only grazing animals eat all day, because grass has a very low calorie content. Humans are not grazers, we eat vegetables with much higher calorie content. That's why vegans don't need to "eat all day long".

You conveniently left out
who is going to eat 1 kg of brussel sprouts to get 30g of protein which is only 100g of steak.
rice 130 kcal 2,7 g protein , cottage cheese 11g protein 98kcal.

You are a nutcase. What about lentils, rice, potatoes

You put potatoes and rice as good source of protein not me.

Why don't you compare beans, lentils, nuts and seeds?

Because those foods are either very heavy on your stomach or healthy only in moderation.
Beans and lentils before the practice lol.
Good luck with that.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Because those foods are either very heavy on your stomach or healthy only in moderation.
Beans and lentils before the practice lol.
Good luck with that.

Maybe too much meat has destroyed your stomach.
I'm pretty sure it's carnivorous animals who need to lie down and rest for hours after eating.
Try going to practice after a steak. You thought beans were bad.

 

[maxxy777]

Maybe too much meat has destroyed your stomach.
I'm pretty sure it's carnivorous animals who need to lie down and rest for hours after eating.
Try going to practice after a steak. You thought beans were bad.

100g Lentils 9g protein 100kcal, 100g chicken 25g protein 140 kcal.

I eat meat once or twice per week normally.And tuna once or twice.

Players tend to eat chicken and tuna at day which is very easy to digest,and very low in quantity,
and steak at evenings.

Lion eats as much as 90 pounds of meat, big difference vs 150g of chicken or can of tuna .

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

I eat meat once or twice per week normally.And tuna once or twice.

Players tend to eat chicken and tuna at day which is very easy to digest,
and steak at evenings.

Well that's very reasonable. It still says nothing about the "need" for meat. The largest land animals don't eat meat. So much for your protein theory.

 

[macattack]

Maybe he eats beans before matches to give him that extra boost to retrieve all those balls. Like hitting the nitrous oxide in those car racing movies. Toot! Toot!

 

[maxxy777]

Well that's very reasonable. It still says nothing about the "need" for meat. The largest land animals don't eat meat. So much for your protein theory.

Those animals process nutrients from food in a way different way.
I had to eat meat,fish or cheese every day when i was training to the fullest, or i was hungry all the time.
I noticed guys at tournaments i been at eat crazy amounts of food, they eat everything 2,3 portions even the bread.
The bread is gone before the food arrives, they dip it in oil and salt.
Now you give these guys a salad and they will kill you.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Those animals process nutrients from food in a way different way.
I had to eat meat,fish or cheese every day when i was training to the fullest, or i was hungry all the time.
I noticed guys at tournaments i been at eat crazy amounts of food, they eat everything 2,3 portions even the bread.
The bread is gone before the food arrives, they dip it in oil and salt.
Now you give these guys a salad and they will kill you.

Salads are great for their nutition density. Ie they have a lot of nutrition per calorie. But obviously when you need calories, you need carbohydrates and fats. Not protein.

Nothing wrong with eating a large volume of food. In fact Carl Lewis said that one of the reasons he went vegan was that he could eat a larger amount of food, which meant a greater amount and variety of nutrition (vitamins, minerals etc.).

What's wrong with bread dipped in oil? When I go to a cafe for breakfast, I always order a few extra slices of toast with butter. For some reason western hospitality is much too protein rich, and very carbohydrate poor.

 

[maxxy777]

Salads are great for their nutition density. Ie they have a lot of nutrition per calorie. But obviously when you need calories, you need carbohydrates and fats. Not protein.

Nothing wrong with eating a large volume of food. In fact Carl Lewis said that one of the reasons he went vegan was that he could eat a larger amount of food, which meant a greater amount and variety of nutrition (vitamins, minerals etc.).

What's wrong with bread dipped in oil? When I go to a cafe for breakfast, I always order a few extra slices of toast with butter. For some reason western hospitality is much too protein rich, and very carbohydrate poor.

Nothing wrong, just saying their body needs fuel.
Tennis is a mix of power , speed , stamina, mental power,change of pace.
THey eat pasta all the time.But its not enough.
Cutting the balanced diet like Novak did is dangerous.

 

[Attila_the_gorilla]

Nothing wrong, just saying their body needs fuel.
Tennis is a mix of power , speed , stamina, mental power,change of pace.
THey eat pasta all the time.But its not enough.
Cutting the balanced diet like Novak did is dangerous.

Of course they need fuel. A vegan diet doesn't lack in fuel. And it can be very "balanced", whatever that means.

 

[racquetreligion]

I like many am a meat eater but many see the benefits as you age to have less
or none at all, especially the ankle busting effort older Nole depends on

these guys dont do too bad for vegans

 

[maxxy777]

If you want to believe this can be made in a natural way without steroids and on vegan diet ...fine This guys claims he did that i believe him simeon panda natural bodybuilding.

 

[maxxy777]

Of course they need fuel. A vegan diet doesn't lack in fuel. And it can be very "balanced", whatever that means.

Yeah that is why no tennis players uses it except Djokovic.

 

[maxxy777]

I like many am a meat eater but many see the benefits as you age to have less
or none at all, especially the ankle busting effort older Nole depends on

these guys dont do too bad for vegans

Getting old is one thing, their metabolism is so bad that it doesnt really matter what they eat. its just about genetics then.
These bodybuilders live of that lie that they are natural and vegan.
They make money this way.
No one remotely in to this scene believes them since they know what is possible.
But average people without basic knowledge do.

Its same like how most average people believe Serena can beat Fed or
4,5 rated guy can qualify for US open.

 

[nadalfan2013]

Getting old is one thing, their metabolism is so bad that it doesnt really matter what they eat. its just about genetics then.
These bodybuilders live of that lie that they are natural and vegan.
They make money this way.
No one remotely in to this scene believes them since they know what is possible.
But average people without basic knowledge do.

Its same like how most average people believe Serena can beat Fed or
4,5 rated guy can qualify for US open.

Stop embarrassing yourself, please.

 

[maxxy777]

Stop embarrassing yourself, please.

Oh nice to have you back.

 

[racquetreligion]

right so getting old anything works out for diet, time for Electroconvulsive therapy

 

[Tennis_Hands]

Nah mate,its very simple.
What if he went vegan and it turned out it was not so good for him, that this diet is not good for him in the long run.He wouldnt be the first one right.

I am eager to look into it, if you can show me evidence that his success/lack of has anything to do with his diet and (since we are at it) that this diet had any visible negative imapct on Djokovic.

So far I have seen some pretty wild assumptions about the latter and basically no evidence for the former.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

What about the rest lets say top 199 atp players and not a single vegan or vegetarian.

He wants to be better than the top 200, especially when he gets to 30yrs plus, so he can't just do the same as them, he has to do things better than them.

The top 200 have probably already started copying Djoker's diet of vegan with a bit of fish here and there, like they did with copying his gluten free diet.

 

[maxxy777]

He wants to be better than the top 200, especially when he gets to 30yrs plus, so he can't just do the same as them, he has to do things better than them.

The top 200 have probably already started copying Djoker's diet of vegan with a bit of fish here and there, like they did with copying his gluten free diet.

Federer was doing the same as everyone and he won the most slams,
at high lvl everyone is doing the same stuff only thing that makes difference is the skill and the
consistency.
Djokovic is better then top 200 living on sun rays but he needs to be better then top 10 were his place is.
If vegan diet is good it will catch up very fast.
For now no one is using it, or said he is using it.
I have nothing against vegan diet in sport if its better.
In fact im all for it, but i need some proof to see if its good.
I dont trust some nut case guru, but i do believe in statistic.
Djokovic saying his diet is more important then winning is not a good start .
We just have to wait and see, its just a start.

 

[maxxy777]

I am eager to look into it, if you can show me evidence that his success/lack of has anything to do with his diet and (since we are at it) that this diet had any visible negative imapct on Djokovic.

So far I have seen some pretty wild assumptions about the latter and basically no evidence for the former.

I posted quotes from people who he hired as part of his team who a clearly nut cases, Djokovic gives statements like winning is not everything, and diet is everything, all of a sudden completely opposite viwes then few months ago, he is taking some new age classes about love and peace from some third grade guru.
He lost some weight, is injured , mentally not fit.
But time will tell more, if this was just minor set back he will be back to his old self very fast.
Which i hope for.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Federer was doing the same as everyone and he won the most slams,
at high lvl everyone is doing the same stuff only thing that makes difference is the skill and the
consistency.
Djokovic is better then top 200 living on sun rays but he needs to be better then top 10 were his place is.
If vegan diet is good it will catch up very fast.
For now no one is using it, or said he is using it.
I have nothing against vegan diet in sport if its better.
In fact im all for it, but i need some proof to see if its good.
I dont trust some nut case guru, but i do believe in statistic.
Djokovic saying his diet is more important then winning is not a good start .
We just have to wait and see, its just a start.

He says he eats fish anyways, so to see if what he eats is better than what the other top 200 eats, you should be comparing:

1/ Dojoko's vegan and fish vs 2/ eating anything, including eating any type of meat from any type of animal that is fed anything and pumped with any sort of artificial growth hormones etc.

 

[maxxy777]

He says he eats fish anyways, so to see if what he eats is better than what the other top 200 eats, you should be comparing:

1/ Dojoko's vegan and fish vs 2/ eating anything, including eating any type of meat from any type of animal that is fed anything and pumped with any sort of artificial growth hormones etc.

I think at least top 20 players can pay for a good quality organic meat.
Even good vegan organic food costs a fortune.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

I think at least top 20 players can pay for a good quality organic meat.
Even good vegan organic food costs a fortune.

it's not a matter of affordability, its a matter of whether they even bother whether it's organic or not or whether the places they eat at even offer that organic option. Can you show any articles that show that the top 20 are particular about organic meat.

 

[maxxy777]

it's not a matter of affordability, its a matter of whether they even bother whether it's organic or not or whether the places they eat at even offer that organic option. Can you show any articles that show that the top 20 are particular about organic meat.

Thats common sense.
Its very simple they live and eat at top high lvl places were they can get top lvl of food.
Were do you think Djokovic gets high quality white fish.
Same place these guys eat.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Thats common sense.
Its very simple they eat at top high lvl places were they can get top lvl of food.
Were do you think Djokovic gets high quality white fish.
Same place these guys eat.

Prove that they're all particular about organic meat with some evidence. Common sense isn't so common otherwise all the players wouldn't have waited for Djokovic to go gluten free to copy him, all the players that copied him would have used their common sense and gone gluten free before Djokovic.

 

[maxxy777]

Prove that they're all particular about organic meat with some evidence. Common sense isn't so common otherwise all the players wouldn't have waited for Djokovic to go gluten free to copy him, all the players that copied him would have used their common sense and gone gluten free before Djokovic.

Prove what ? i just proved, they eat at high lvl places same as Novak.
If they didnt care about the food they would eat a sandwich with salami.
There is the evidence .

What players went gluten free if i may ask.
Name few from top 20.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Prove what ? i just proved, they eat at high lvl places same as Novak.
If they didnt care about the food they would eat a sandwich with salami.
There is the evidence .

What players went gluten free if i may ask.
Name few from top 20.

You didn't prove anything you just stated something. Now you name some of the top 20 who you know for certain that order organic meat all of the time.

According to this article, which is about
how 'the chefs make sure their VIP tennis guests are able to eat everything they are served', the chef of one of the Wimbledon restaurants, says that " Many tennis players have opted to follow a vegan diet". He'd know as he's in direct contact with the VIP players eating there.

And here is what 'Doubles stalwart and ATP Player Council member Eric Butorac', says about the Gluten free diet in another article:

"Novak really made that popular when he really rose to the top," said Butorac.
"I don't know if it's a fad or if it's here to stay but it's definitely a thing that a high percentage of the guys on tour now are gluten free or almost primarily gluten free".

Again he'd know as he's around the players all the time.

 

[maxxy777]

You didn't prove anything you just stated something. Now you name some of the top 20 who you know for certain that order organic meat all of the time.

According to this article, which is about
how 'the chefs make sure their VIP tennis guests are able to eat everything they are served', the chef of one of the Wimbledon restaurants, says that " Many tennis players have opted to follow a vegan diet". He'd know as he's in direct contact with the VIP players eating there.

And here is what 'Doubles stalwart and ATP Player Council member Eric Butorac', says about the Gluten free diet in another article:

"Novak really made that popular when he really rose to the top," said Butorac.
"I don't know if it's a fad or if it's here to stay but it's definitely a thing that a high percentage of the guys on tour now are gluten free or almost primarily gluten free".

Again he'd know as he's around the players all the time.

You answered your question by yourself.
Those are vip quests and get premium food, so go check top 20 and all of them eat all the time exactly same as Novak , if you dont believe me prove that Novak eats organic all the time first.
His personal chef is no other then vegan cancer survivor actor-artist that has no clue about food what so ever,
and even less about sport nutrition.Not tough to top that, nothing remotely scientific about that.


And that wimbledon chef doesnt have a clue what they eat , only before practice and match which is normal to eat light.But even then i dont trust a vegan chef a single word , they promote their agenda all the time and lie all the time.He is not in direct contact to them and is not friends with them outside of that very very limited time.
So to claim that number of player are vegan is just another vegan lie ,nothing new.
No tennis player is vegan except Novak.

Novak made it popular, but also that gluten free trend finished faster then it started.
Vegans are very funny people if you eat a single vegan dish you become vegan lol.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

You answered your question by yourself.
Those are vip quests and get premium food, so go check top 20 and all of them eat all the time exactly same as Novak , if you dont believe me prove that Novak eats organic all the time first.
And that chef doesnt have a clue what they eat , only before practice and match which is normal to eat light.Its more snack then anything.They get huge breakfast in the hotel and huge dinner. 1/No tennis player is vegan except Novak.

He is not in direct contact to them and is not friends with them outside of that very very limited time.
Novak made it popular, but also that 2/ gluten free trend finished faster then it started.
Vegans are very funny people if you eat a single vegan dish you become vegan lol.

1/ yeh you'd know better than someone that cooks their special orders for a fortnight.

2/ Yeh you'd know better than the atp player council member that is in regular close contact with all the players.

You're persistent i'll give you that, but that's all. Mcdonalds should hire you to promote their new big macs.

 

[maxxy777]

1/ yeh you'd know better than someone that cooks their special orders for a fortnight.

2/ Yeh you'd know better than the atp player council member that is in regular close contact with all the players.

You're persistent i'll give you that, but that's all. Mcdonalds should hire you to promote their new big macs.

Yeah i know better since i have google and can check for vegan players all day long.
To claim someone is vegan based on what , one or 2 meals, its a joke.
And that same claim coming from vegan , hmmm no.

Grigor Dimitrov: "I’ve tried the gluten-free diet, it didn’t work for me"
Andy Murray:
US Open champion tried world No 1’s gluten-free regime but found it made him feel weak

I dont eat mcdonalds, and im all for balanced food.

 

[maxxy777]

Rafa Nadal 2013:
"Now it seems like the gluten-free diet is great. After three years or four years we will find another thing that will be great, too. Then the gluten-free will not work anymore."

Yup just about right.

 

[galapagos]

In his book if I recall correctly- he encourages to try his diet but most importantly: learn listening to your body, that was his main philosophy.Experiment and make conclusions. His diet is his strength. He has studied his body, and im sure he is still discovering new "options" coz he is open minded and not afraid to try different things. ( that attitude actually led to his new diet and probably many more things- the diet never was his idea) Everyone is different and has different needs. Why diet? Maybe racquet too heavy? Shoes not comfortable? Tennis is soo complex. Everything matters especially on such a high level. He just need to rediscover his form again. Thats tennis.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Rafa Nadal 2013:
"Now it seems like the gluten-free diet is great. After three years or four years we will find another thing that will be great, too. Then the gluten-free will not work anymore."

Yup just about right.

As i said , 'Doubles stalwart and ATP Player Council member Eric Butorac', said:

"Novak really made that popular when he really rose to the top," said Butorac.
"I don't know if it's a fad or if it's here to stay but it's definitely a thing that a high percentage of the guys on tour now are gluten free or almost primarily gluten free".

Congrats you found a few that are not gluten free, which is expected.

 

[maxxy777]

In his book if I recall correctly- he encourages to try his diet but most importantly: learn listening to your body, that was his main philosophy.Experiment and make conclusions. His diet is his strength. He has studied his body, and im sure he is still discovering new "options" coz he is open minded and not afraid to try different things. ( that attitude actually led to his new diet and probably many more things- the diet never was his idea) Everyone is different and has different needs. Why diet? Maybe racquet too heavy? Shoes not comfortable? Tennis is soo complex. Everything matters especially on such a high level. He just need to rediscover his form again. Thats tennis.

Why experiment with diets when you are right at the top and no one can touch you.
And then
why would you need to rediscover things at all if you didnt mess up.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

In his book if I recall correctly- he encourages to try his diet but most importantly: learn listening to your body, that was his main philosophy.Experiment and make conclusions. His diet is his strength. He has studied his body, and im sure he is still discovering new "options" coz he is open minded and not afraid to try different things. ( that attitude actually led to his new diet and probably many more things- the diet never was his idea) Everyone is different and has different needs. Why diet? Maybe racquet too heavy? Shoes not comfortable? Tennis is soo complex. Everything matters especially on such a high level. He just need to rediscover his form again. Thats tennis.

That makes perfect sense.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

Why experiment with diets when you are right at the top and no one can touch you.
And then
why would you need to rediscover things at all if you didnt mess up.

because that's how one evolves.

 

[maxxy777]

As i said , 'Doubles stalwart and ATP Player Council member Eric Butorac', said:

"Novak really made that popular when he really rose to the top," said Butorac.
"I don't know if it's a fad or if it's here to stay but it's definitely a thing that a high percentage of the guys on tour now are gluten free or almost primarily gluten free".

Congrats you found a few that are not gluten free, which is expected.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/21/sport/tennis/tennis-diet-butorac-djokovic/
October 24, 2013

Gluten free diet was popular 3 years ago when it came out, that interview was from 3 years ago,
some have tried it and the diet failed to go mainstream in tennis.
Maybe 1 or 2 players uses it in top 20 and they probably have this condition celiac or something.

 

[maxxy777]

because that's how one evolves.

You dont evolve from number 1 in the world.

 

[maxxy777]

Congrats you found a few that are not gluten free, which is expected.

You found one semi vegan i found 90% at least.
tsssss double standards.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/21/sport/tennis/tennis-diet-butorac-djokovic/
October 24, 2013

Gluten free diet was popular 3 years ago when it came out, that interview was from 3 years ago,
some have tried it and 1/ the diet failed to go mainstream in tennis.
Maybe 1 or 2 players uses it in top 20 and they probably have this condition celiac or something.

3 years is relatively recent.

1/ prove your claim. You're making claims out of thin air, and speculating.

Actually most of what you have said in most of your posts in this thread have been assumptions and speculation based on nothing.

 

[TheMusicLover]

How about finally moving this thread about Nutritional Nonsense Hype-Diets to Odds & Ends, mods?

Fact is that only a very small minority of folks claiming to be 'allergetic to gluten' is in fact suffering from the severe form of it, aka coeliac disease.
If ever Djokovic suffered from that form of this allergy, he would never ever have made it to be a top athlete in the first place.

Don't forget that athletes tend to be very supersticious, and unfortunately inclined to believe in any kind of health-hype that comes along.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

You dont evolve from number 1 in the world.

yes you do, a ranking is just relative to others.

 

[maxxy777]

3 years is relatively recent.

1/ prove your claim. You're making claims out of thin air, and speculating. Actually most of what you have said in most of your posts have in this thread been assumptions and speculation based on nothing.

3 years is enough to make and break some trend, and that trend is long gone.
How about google and facts.You can find very easy how many players in top 20 use gluten free diet.

All i ever wrote was pure facts which are very easy to find on google.
You on the other hand didnt post a single valid information.

 

[maxxy777]

yes you do, a ranking is just relative to others.

No,
being number one in the world is not relative.

 

[Deleted member 3771]

You dont evolve from number 1 in the world.

why do you think this? Did you put much thought into this?

 

[maxxy777]

why do you think this? Did you put much thought into this?

Its common sense mate.
You cant go up if you are number 1, you can only sustain it.