Med is the ONLY guy who can beat Djoker

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
Prime Djoker confirmed as of this week is now. False claims.
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Bender

G.O.A.T.
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
I think its hilarious u kids talking **** about Novak. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at a sLAM, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest lacostes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
I think its hilarious u kids talking **** about Novak. u wouldnt say this stuff to him at a sLAM, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest lacostes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
Who wrote this again? Was it on reddit?
 
He has a chance because he can return enough balls to bore Djokovic during the match. And, he won't fade. Also like someone noted, Nadal had to serve and volley and get up to the net to win, Djokovic should really hope it doesn't come to depending on his net game to beat Med. We shall see.
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Bender

G.O.A.T.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to appreciate Djokovic. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of Balkan geopolitics most of his jokes will go over a typical Fedal fan's head. There's also Djokovic's nihilistic eye bulge, which is deftly woven into his returning rituals- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Pepe Imaz literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the cultural and spiritual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of Novak's celebrations, to realise that they're not just intimidating- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Djokovic truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Djokovic's existential catchphrase "AMOR Y PAZ" which itself is a cryptic reference to Leo Troicki's Serbian epic War and Peace as well as his performance art piece "Come over here cameraman, I'll show you the mark on the clay". I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Novak's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
 

vex

Legend
There is one man that can beat Djoker. His name is... Med. (Well, it is not his full name because I am lazy, but this parenthesis sentence took longer... so maybe not lazy)

He is the only player that can be just as consistent, just as defensive, and serve just as well.

I do think if Med reaches the final, he will win it. Period. He will beat Djoker assuming he is healthy when they reach the final. He will have found his game and confidence.

Only hope for those who don't want Djoker to win, and for those who hope to see a great final regardless of winner, is for Med to reach the final.

Med will beat Djoker in 4 or 5 sets. Book it.

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2020 Med is not 2019 Med. He’s had a very predictable regression to the mean. Even if he makes the final he’ll likely lose to Novak. Novak’s form is quite decent at the moment, B+\A- level for him. That’s out of Med’s reach short of an shocking upset. Med doesn’t have the mental toughness to hang with Djoker.

Although he’s an up and down mess, I think Thiem is at least as likely to pull the upset as Med.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
He would have to

reach a Slam final, which he did only once before
beat Djokovic at a Slam, which he never did before
possibly win a 5-setter, which he never did before
 

vex

Legend
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
Damn this **** is savage truth.

Comparisons outside the big 3 are a joke. IMO FEDAL are right there with Djoker. All three are phenomenal. Just in different ways. Fed in offense. Rafa in athleticism and relentless pummeling. Djoker in accuracy, consistency and mental toughness.
 
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btsjungkook

Professional
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
Truth this
 

btsjungkook

Professional
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
If it weren't for Djokovic 2011, I wouldn't even get into tennis. Didn't even know about the more famous players then.
 

Flint

Hall of Fame
Murray is the guy, he has had the most practice at this particular tournament courtesy of last nights match.

It's all about the practice!!
Djokovic only managed to get 3 sets out of his match to Murrays 5. Muzz is so much more calibrated right now.
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
Murray is the guy, he has had the most practice at this particular tournament courtesy of last nights match.

It's all about the practice!!
Djokovic only managed to get 3 sets out of his match to Murrays 5. Muzz is so much more calibrated right now.
(y)
 

Flint

Hall of Fame
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this forum hate Novak Djokovic. The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 11 or 12 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Novak in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing geometric means. But here's the thing: Tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "adjusted for difficulty" or "ELO" I know they know nothing about tennis. Novak's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the greatest Australian Open player ever, and one of the 3 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that someone is better than Djokovic, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Djokovic in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Djokovic is better.

You might be jealous of Djokovic beating Federer so much, or jealous of his status as the greatest returner in Tennis history, or whatever. Unless you're a Laver fan who watched tennis in the 60's, or a Sampras fan who watched tennis in the 90's, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that. This forum would make you think that Novak isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullcrap about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Roddick, The Best American Player in the World™, but leave the Novak talk to the adults. Fair?
The flip side is that If the above is true, that means that there is still an influx of new and young fans to the sport, which is a good thing.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Hopefully OP is not making this call watching Med pummel Delbonis

No one is beating Djokovic here. The competition is so so far behind him. I don’t see Djokovic losing any sets, perhaps 1 if he is in a benevolent mood
Djoker has struggled in every tournament he has played. His level is overrated.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No, it has just been a while since I have seen him play, and he can definitely beat Djoker here I'd he plays his A game, and if he reaches the final... he is locked in.
Problem is, Medvedev will most likely lose before the final. He is a Next Genner after all. And there will be no crowd energy to feed on like last year.
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
Medvedev has the game which can hurt Djokovic, but oh well, the guy just lost to Agut in Cincinnati. He is not nearly as good as he was last year.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Rublev is getting very overlooked. He should come out of his section and he's not going to be easy for anyone.
He was pretty easy for Zverev at this year's AO.

If Thiem is criticized for not having a plan B, Rublev's plan A isn't even good enough.
 

UnforcedTerror

Hall of Fame
This is the weakest competition in history though. He can win this tournament even with a broken arm.
It's a bit early to talk about the Bull's chances at RG, but overall I agree with you, he has absolutely zero competition on clay. I kinda accepted he's gonna break Fed's record just by vulturing the joke of a tournament year after year.
 
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AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Wow that's quite a claim about a guy who made his first SF and qualified for the WTFs at age 23. I do think his ranking is inflated but he could definitely have a Monfils/Gasquet type career.

More like a Blake type career. No mugfilth draw generator to keep him afloat hopefully.
 
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Down 2 sets to 1 vs. Thiem in the AO Final.
Down match points to Monfils in the 2nd Set of Dubai.
Needed a 3rd set tie-breaker to beat RBA last week.
Got breadsticked by Raonic last week.
The writing is on the wall if he meets Tsitsipas, Medvedev or Thiem.....all of whom beat Djokovic on hardcourt last year....
 
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Deleted member 744633

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Well, watching Med play tonight reminded me of how dangerous he could be for Djoker.

But you are right, we Fed fans are hanging on to one last hope for tennis.

Machan Station ... tennis appears to be in perfectly good shape to me. So I take it you mean last hope for Federer's records? :p
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Machan Station ... tennis appears to be in perfectly good shape to me. So I take it you mean last hope for Federer's records? :p
I dont think tennis is anywhere close to being in good shape. The most popular and best player is 40 and not playing, the next most popular and best is 34 and not playing, the current best player is Djoker which is 34?, there are no fans, and there is not a single guy under 30 with a slam win.

The rise of a new generation has not come for the past 2-3 generations. The sport needs a boost of freshness. A med win over Djoker sure would do it.
 

vex

Legend
Down 2 sets to 1 vs. Thiem in the AO Final.
Down match points to Monfils in the 2nd Set of Dubai.
Needed a 3rd set tie-breaker to beat RBA last week.
Got breadsticked by Raonic last week.
The writing is on the wall if he meets Tsitsipas, Medvedev or Thiem.....all of whom beat Djokovic on hardcourt last year....
Posts like this ... I just don’t understand how you can think like this.... what do you think happened to Tsits, Med and Thiem at all these tourneys Djoker narrowly won?

COULD they beat him? Sure.
WILL they? Probably not
 
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Deleted member 744633

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I dont think tennis is anywhere close to being in good shape. The most popular and best player is 40 and not playing, the next most popular and best is 34 and not playing, the current best player is Djoker which is 34?, there are no fans, and there is not a single guy under 30 with a slam win.

The rise of a new generation has not come for the past 2-3 generations. The sport needs a boost of freshness. A med win over Djoker sure would do it.

No argument with that one. Agreed! (y)
 

Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Posts like this ... I just don’t understand how you can think like this.... what do you think happened to Tsits, Med and Thiem at all these tourneys Djoker narrowly won?

COULD they beat him? Sure.
WILL they? Probably not
Writings on the wall that all of those guys failed to close it out...
 
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Deleted member 744633

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I think it's more mentality than game. Medvedev nearly beat Nadal in the final last year but couldn't finish it. Likewise with Thiem against Djokovic at AO this year.

They have the game but not the mentality required to win.
 
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bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
I think it's more mentality than game. Medvedev nearly beat Nadal in the final last year but couldn't finish it. Likewise with Thiem against Djokovic at AO this year.

They have the game but not the mentality required to win.

That's why they play the match instead of speculating like people here in the forum. ATP players have lot respects for each other because they know that on any given day, they can be beaten.
 

RF-18

Talk Tennis Guru
There is one man that can beat Djoker. His name is... Med. (Well, it is not his full name because I am lazy, but this parenthesis sentence took longer... so maybe not lazy)

He is the only player that can be just as consistent, just as defensive, and serve just as well.

I do think if Med reaches the final, he will win it. Period. He will beat Djoker assuming he is healthy when they reach the final. He will have found his game and confidence.

Only hope for those who don't want Djoker to win, and for those who hope to see a great final regardless of winner, is for Med to reach the final.

Med will beat Djoker in 4 or 5 sets. Book it.

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I believe he and Thiem has the best chance. And what you said earlier about Nadal going to the net 66 times, there is something to it. I don't think Djokovic will be able to beat Medvedev from the baseline so he will have to change it up alot. From what I saw in Cincy Djoko is not in the best physical shape and he gets tired too fast. This will have to change unexpectedly fast over the course of these 2 weeks if Djokovic wants to beat Medvedev on the grinding game. Medvedev is just like bautista agut but better. They don't miss anything, on top of that Medvedev has a great serve and a more powerful game.
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
I believe he and Thiem has the best chance. And what you said earlier about Nadal going to the net 66 times, there is sommething to it. I don't think Djokovic will be able to beat Medvedev from the baseline so he will have to change it up alot. From what I saw in Cincy Djoko is not in the best physical shape and he gets tired to fast. Medvedev is just like bautista agut but better. They don't miss anything, on top of that Medvedev has a great serve and a more powerful game.
If RBA had a better serve, he would habe bearen Djoker in Cincy.

He has one of the weakest serves for a 6 footer.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Tsitsipas can do it and I believe he has. Shapovalov came very close in the ATP Cup - third set tie breaker. Not saying he will, but I think he can if he plays his absolute best. Thiem can do it also but maybe not on this court which is playing very fast.
 
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