Media claim that Djokovic is still the “third wheel” in Tennis Trifecta

Beckerserve said:
Lmao. Nadal has more slams. And Olympic gold. Trust me any pro player will take Nadals career over Djokovic. Plus hate to say this but as you have admitted the AO has never had the allure of the other 3 Majors.
Nadal has won far more of the 3 most historic majors. 19-10.
Ask any pro on twitter which career theyd have.
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1 more Slam is not enough to be ranked over Djokovic now. Djokovic even has an argument over Federer and the distance between Federer and Djokovic is smaller than the distance between Nadal and the other two. He's more than 2 years behind at number than they are. With 1 Slam difference, they're clearly over him especially with no ATP Finals. When you look at Djokovic's double career Slam and double Masters, no way. And you're getting me and Nole Slam mixed up. In this day and age, all Slams are equal because all the top players played them which wasn't the case in the 70's and early 80's. No Slam today is worth more than the others. If I ask any pro today, most of them would take Djokovic's career over Nadal's easily.
 
jm1980 said:
Only marginally. Djokovic entered a massive slump in 16-17, but his figures didn't fall that much in the year(s) following it, despite coinciding with a Nadal resurgence.

2017 endorsements:
Federer: $58 million
Djokovic: $28 million
Nadal: $26 million

2018 endorsements:
Federer: $65 million
Nadal: $27 million
Djokovic: $22 million

2019 endorsements:
Federer: $86 million
Djokovic: $30 million
Nadal: $26 million

Like I said, when it comes to endorsements, there's Federer and then there's everyone else.
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17-18 added 30M to Feds endorsements lol. :oops:
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Which is why I won’t look past the first round of Wimbledon for Novak. He might be the favourite but it’s still not easy to go out and win 7 best of 5 matches in a row each time.

Djoko did amazing to win the last 2 slams but his back was against the wall a lot. In terms of pure fight and grit they are up their as arguably the best slams he won. He fought through many tricky situations to get over the line in both. A testament to his amazing mental strength and ability to raise his level when he needed it

I have high hopes for Wimbledon for Novak but all it takes is one match where a players peaks and Novak is slightly off or a match up issue and it could be danger. It’s the same for any player including fed or Rafa.
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Exactly. My point in an articulate nutshell.
All the more rabid Djokovic fans are doing, and in fairness it is the same 3 or 4 posters, is setting up Djokovic for the pile on of all pile ons if she gets serve botted out of W.
I tried tempering the more smug Nadal fans about him losing to sinner as i could see Nadal was way off.
You have spotted where Djokovic is st perfectly. As i say you are one of the best poster on here.
 
NoleFam said:
1 more Slam is not enough to be ranked over Djokovic now. Djokovic even has an argument over Federer and the distance between Federer and Djokovic is smaller than the distance between Nadal and the other two. He's more than 2 years behind at number than they are. With 1 Slam difference, they're clearly over him especially with no ATP Finals. When you look at Djokovic's double career Slam and double Masters, no way. And you're getting me and Nole Slam mixed up. In this day and age, all Slams are equal because all the top players played them which wasn't the case in the 70's and early 80's. No Slam today is worth more than the others. If I ask any pro today, they would say Djokovic over Nadal easily.
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If it ends 20-20-19 federer and Nadal will be talked about for decades
Djokovic will be mentioned but not in same breath. It will always be the Fedal rivalry.
Djokovic has to match Fedal in Majors.
You know it deep down.
 
Beckerserve said:
Exactly. My point in an articulate nutshell.
All the more rabid Djokovic fans are doing, and in fairness it is the same 3 or 4 posters, is setting up Djokovic for the pile on of all pile ons if she gets serve botted out of W.
I tried tempering the more smug Nadal fans about him losing to sinner as i could see Nadal was way off.
You have spotted where Djokovic is st perfectly. As i say you are one of the best poster on here.
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I don't see Djokovic fans claiming he is assured #20 at Wimbledon, not nearly to the same extent Nadal fans were already giving him #21 at RG
 
jm1980 said:
LMAO, so all you have is completely unsourced and unverifiable information. Just like your claims that the locker room says Nadal is GOAT :-D :-D

Also, why would an athlete understate the value of his endorsement deals? It would just hurt them in negotiations with other sponsors
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Nobody likes paying tax. Nadal endorsements are astronomically high as are Tiger Woods. Living in Dubai and Monte Carlo allows more transparency in terms of showing off income.
 
Wisdom of the crowds theory takes over at this point, if you ask 1 billion people who the GOAT tennis player is and 900 million say Fed is ( which they would ) then stats of other players mean nothing. Popularity is crucial and is the defining measure of the GOAT race.
 
steenkash said:
Nadal and Federer are like the US Office. They have a huge following, it gives off a few laughs, but overall most of their fans are easily impressed.

Novak is like the UK Office. Well written, well executed and has a small circle of fans and admirers.
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On one thing we can agree - Djokovic would be well executed
 
The real tennis world know the real deal. These kind of articles just make it easier for non Djokovic fans to swallow a little easier. There will be more articles as more records are broken, but it can't hide facts or change anything. ☺
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
Wisdom of the crowds theory takes over at this point, if you ask 1 billion people who the GOAT tennis player is and 900 million say Fed is ( which they would ) then stats of other players mean nothing. Popularity is crucial and is the defining measure of the GOAT race.
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Polls these days show something else, today if poll was out u would find less than 2/3s think Fed is GOAT and if after #20 LESS than 50% would think Fed is GOAT.
 
Beckerserve said:
If it ends 20-20-19 federer and Nadal will be talked about for decades
Djokovic will be mentioned but not in same breath. It will always be the Fedal rivalry.
Djokovic has to match Fedal in Majors.
You know it deep down.
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Well he's in great position to pass both but the point is if their careers ended today, Djokovic has had a better career than Nadal. Only fans like you would think otherwise.
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
Wisdom of the crowds theory takes over at this point, if you ask 1 billion people who the GOAT tennis player is and 900 million say Fed is ( which they would ) then stats of other players mean nothing. Popularity is crucial and is the defining measure of the GOAT race.
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Hmmm no. Some will remembered the 40-15. Novak’s mental strength is a lot bigger than Federer. Let’s be honest.
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
An article from the Sunday times ( which requires a paid subscription to read) claims that Djokovic will forever be the third wheel in the Fed-Nadal- Djokovic saga. My friend who was able to look over it behind the paywall basically said that because Federer and Nadal are more respected and “loved” that anything Djokovic did in regards to titles won would be a fruitless pursuit because Federer and Nadal would always be remembered more.
www.thetimes.co.uk

Novak Djokovic: Forever the third man, always the interruptor

It did not take long for Novak Djokovic to send ripples of intrigue through the locker room at his first Wimbledon in 2005. The 18-year-old Serb had won three m
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk

To add salt to the fire…..it’s also rumoured in tennis circles that Federer will be given the keys to the presidential suite of the nearby hotel to Wimbledon while Novak is offered an inferior suite…
www.dailymail.co.uk

Will Djokovic, Williams or Federer be given the Presidential Suite?

Battersea Dogs Home and the American Embassy will be some of the landmarks the players will pass as they are driven through central London en route to the pristine grass courts of SW19.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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NYT is fake news...
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
This isn’t the New York Times, simply “the sunday times” it’s a UK newspaper
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There are two certainties when it comes to British tennis media: they love Federer and they hate Djokovic. I will never forget how in 2015 the Telegraph featured the loser of the Wimbledon final instead of the winner. "Heartbreak for Wimbledon's adopted son" had me in stitches :-D

If I were Novak, I would frame this and put it on the wall to look at every time I play Wimbledon

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pj80 said:
oh my bad, I thought it was NYT after briefly glancing at the link...but still most media is fake, written by bias "journalist" to spin a certain narrative. If Djoker wins 1 more slam he is the GOAT and we all agree including YOU, even though you will not admit it to us.
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Yeah I agree with this. If Djokovic wins Wimbledon or the next slam out of the big 3 then he takes the lead for the first time in the GOAT race.

He would be on top and he could then seal it even more with another slam win or 2. However, if it goes 20-20-20 he has the best overall stats that he would go into first place at that moment. Fed or Nadal would have to somehow reinvent themselves one last time and win big again to change the narrative back in their favour.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Yeah I agree with this. If Djokovic wins Wimbledon or the next slam out of the big 3 then he takes the lead for the first time in the GOAT race.

He would be on top and he could then seal it even more with another slam win or 2. However, if it goes 20-20-20 he has the best overall stats that he would go into first place at that moment. Fed or Nadal would have to somehow reinvent themselves one last time and win big again to change the narrative back in their favour.
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Novak Djokovic is looking for all the glory. He’s like a freight train. He wants to shove it to all the people that root against him.
 
ACE of Hearts said:
Novak Djokovic is looking for all the glory. He’s like a freight train. He wants to shove it to all the people that root against him.
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That’s what I love about him. Like he loves to shove up the media or crowds who are against him. This has helped him be even more motivated to achieve it. Yeah whatever happens he’s gonna give it his all to try get the big records. We will see what happens.
 
Strale said:
This is actually just sad...People cant get over the fact that Djokovic earned his goat status on the court where matters the most.

Facts dont care about your feelings as great Ben Shapiro once said.

Give Federer the white house and Buckingham palace,he would still be inferior player to Novak.


Numbers dont lie.
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OMG, I hope you are joking LOL
 
Mainad said:
That's just for emphasis but it isn't ungrammatical. :cool:
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Hmmm, let’s just say that picking fault with “grammatical” errors really doesn’t make you look a good person at all lol. I have a friend who’s an English teacher who doesn’t pick up on any mistakes I make on social media nor does he do it with anyone else. I came on here to discuss Tennis not to be lectured about grammatical errors that in the grand scheme of things aren‘t even a major issue.
This article sums it up nicely
www.sciencealert.com

People Who Constantly Point Out Grammar Mistakes Are Pretty Much Jerks, Scientists Find

Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide.
www.sciencealert.com www.sciencealert.com
 
Djokovic is already above Nadal and is a bigger brand as on today.
But Roger is still far ahead as a Brand, a massive juggernaut, it will be tough for Novak to eclipse Federer until Federer is retired.
Djokovic will need to win some slams after Roger is retired as well to be the biggest brand in Tennis.

However in the long run Djokovic will be remembered as the GOAT.
A kid born in 2015 is now 6 years old and by the time he is 10 years Djokovic will be known as the great who is retired or on the verge of being retired with all the records in Tennis or most records in Tennis, so that will be the record which will be chased, so he will have an aura of the GOAT or a bigger player among the guys who never saw the big 3 play each other. Good quality videos of Fed winning in 00s will be there but Djokvic's wins will get the attention they deserve as well, Nadal will be remembered as a clay pony who dominated clay like no one before but his non clay records being puny will also be noted by next gen .....
 
Judging by Djokovic's cryptic remarks about the PTPA, and potential American backers, I'd say we were at Peak Djoker Love. Sso enjoy the third wheel while you can!
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
Hmmm, let’s just say that picking fault with “grammatical” errors really doesn’t make you look a good person at all lol. I have a friend who’s an English teacher who doesn’t pick up on any mistakes I make on social media nor does he do it with anyone else. I came on here to discuss Tennis not to be lectured about grammatical errors that in the grand scheme of things aren‘t even a major issue.
This article sums it up nicely
www.sciencealert.com

People Who Constantly Point Out Grammar Mistakes Are Pretty Much Jerks, Scientists Find

Scientists have found that people who constantly get bothered by grammatical errors online have "less agreeable" personalities than those who just let them slide.
www.sciencealert.com www.sciencealert.com
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Sorry but that article is just crap and says more about the guy who wrote it than it does about people who just respect the language to want to speak it correctly. Do you imagine any of the non-English speakers on here would tolerate for one second making a grammatical howler in their language? Like heck they would. They'd correct you straightaway. It only seems to be native English speakers who seem to think it's "cool" to mangle their own language.

I have a degree in English so I guess I feel more sensitive on this subject than most but I'm not being nit-picky. There are plenty of non-grammatical comments on here that I overlook because, as I said, they don't sound too bad but to write "they were wrote" instead of "they were written" just sounds unnecessarily hideous. Did you really not know the difference?

Sorry to sound like a schoolteacher (which I was for a while) but language is important and correct usage only adds to understanding, not the other way round.

Now I'll get off my soapbox and get back to talking about what I really want to talk about on here......tennis! :cool:
 
40-15 still haunts me said:
Hmmm, let’s just say that picking fault with “grammatical” errors really doesn’t make you look a good person at all lol. I have a friend who’s an English teacher who doesn’t pick up on any mistakes I make on social media nor does he do it with anyone else.
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I'm sure he "picks them up". I do. I see every grammar mistake because I'm trained to do it. I just never mention it to anyone who does not ask for help because it's at the least a bit rude, and pinging people for English mistakes on an international forum gets you into some embarrassing situations if you try to write in another language. When I write in German I pray for compassion from those who use German as their mother tongue. ;)
 
Federer was so great that he was an ATG in 2004 itself, the commentators were saying that he will be breaking Sampras's records and is the dominant force in Tennis. He was nominated for Laureus Award in 2004 for his wimbledon title in 2003, just the Wimbledon earned him the nomination. That time itself talks of his greatness had started and he had dominated 2004 and he was an ATG instantly within 12 months of winning his 1st slam. Next year he won the Laureus award and for 4 straight years he won the award every year.

Thats how quickly his greatness was established worldwide and thats why Federer has been the biggest brand till now. Djokovic on the other hand to struggle hard like a peasant for his daily wages, he had to snatch his due share of glory from his masters but he was not paid in full.....So the struggle has been there..... Plus he never dominated the game as convincingly at his peak and neither was his game attractive/convincing .... So he never could become the bigger brand.

Nadal obv everyone knows what he is, he never had the all round dominance to beat Federer and he has also been below Djokovic, plus Nadal is like an introvert while Federer and Djokovic are extroverts.
 
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