Medvedev couldn't handle the pressure of being on centre court

Aabye5 said:
Who lost 8 finals? Not Sinner...
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My bad. I thought it was FAA. Still Sinner has nothing fancy on his resume. So yea, Hurckacz beat up an inexperienced 19yr old. So what?

Fognini is greater than Hurkacz. So that's not saying much.
 
Frenchy-Player said:
But he's not ranked 2 in the world with all the expectations including a confrontation with Federer.
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Ranked 2 in the world, Med deserved the advantage of having that match played on one of the courts with a roof. We can all guess why Wimbledon made the decision not to give him that advantage.

But once Wimbledon made the decision, as illogical as it may have been, the time had come for the excuses to stop. Go play tennis and get the job done. Med failing to get it done is on him. Making excuses about the court now is sour grapes.
 
AceSalvo said:
My bad. I thought it was FAA. Still Sinner has nothing fancy on his resume. So yea, Hurckacz beat up an inexpeirnced 19yr old. So what?

Fognini is greater than Hurkacz. So that's not saying much.
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Pah! Just give them time....
 
Sunny014 said:
Always remember, Federer is the alpha, not Novak :D

Real alphas don't get mauled by Stanimal and Murray in multiple slams.
Real alphas don't fail to beat Peak Nadal despite being 1 year younger and also despite having a double handed backhand.
Real alphas don't get stretched to 5 sets by 34-38 year old grandpas and prior to that lose that that guy at age 25 when that guy was 31.
Real alphas certainly don't be 1-3 vs Dr Ivo Karlovic
Real alphas don't be 0-2 vs Safin and 4-5 vs A Rod.
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Real alphas have a losing H2H record (humiliating in the slams) against their greatest rivals.

That's the true mark of the alpha. They don't waste energy regularly beating their fellow big beasts -they're perfectly happy to steal the goodies off the runts of the litter.
 
Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
Lmao. Djokovic has only 11 players in the history of his whole career who lead him in the head to head. Fed has over 25. Of the 11, Djokovic has only 2 players who lead him by more than 1 win. That being krygios and Safin. He’s actually 1-2 with dr ivo if you check the stats.

If you go down the head to head route, then Djokovic wins every time dude. Basically no one has dominated him consistently and by a big scale margin in the head to head.
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What about this ?

Head To Head Matches - Chat About The Novak Djokovic vs Ivo Karlovic Head To Head
YearNameRoundSurfaceWinning PlayerLosing PlayerScore
2015DohaQFHardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic6-7(2) 7-6(6) 6-4
2008Madrid MastersR16HardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic7-6(4) 7-6(5)
2008HamburgR16ClayNovak DjokovicIvo Karlovic7-6(3) 6-3
2005Madrid MastersSFHardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic6-4 6-4
 
Sunny014 said:
What about this ?

Head To Head Matches - Chat About The Novak Djokovic vs Ivo Karlovic Head To Head
YearNameRoundSurfaceWinning PlayerLosing PlayerScore
2015DohaQFHardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic6-7(2) 7-6(6) 6-4
2008Madrid MastersR16HardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic7-6(4) 7-6(5)
2008HamburgR16ClayNovak DjokovicIvo Karlovic7-6(3) 6-3
2005Madrid MastersSFHardIvo KarlovicNovak Djokovic6-4 6-4
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This website is incorrect. The official H2H is 2-1

Ivo Karlovic VS Novak Djokovic | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

Head to head records for players in men's professional tennis. View rivalry results and stats for matches on the ATP Tour.
www.atptour.com www.atptour.com
 
Spencer Gore said:
Real alphas have a losing H2H record (humiliating in the slams) against their greatest rivals.

That's the true mark of the alpha. They don't waste energy regularly beating their fellow big beasts -they're perfectly happy to steal the goodies off the runts of the litter.
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Until the beginning of 2014 Federer novak H2H was 6-5 in Federer's favor

Rafa faced Fed mostly on clay and never faced him outside it because he was not good enough on HCs and had a losing h2h on grass

So Federer till his 30s he did have a winning h2h
 
jm1980 said:
This website is incorrect. The official H2H is 2-1

Ivo Karlovic VS Novak Djokovic | Head 2 Head | H2H | ATP Tour | Tennis

Head to head records for players in men's professional tennis. View rivalry results and stats for matches on the ATP Tour.
www.atptour.com www.atptour.com
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They did face each other in one of the qualifying matches in Madrid Masters 2005 and he was belted 6-4, 6-4 by Dr Ivo

Multiple websites say that

Why are Djokovic fans lying ? @BeatlesFan @mike danny

Ivo Karlovic vs. Novak Djokovic 15.10.2005 - Tennis Masters Series - Madrid | TennisLive.com

Ivo Karlovic vs. Novak Djokovic 15.10.2005 - Tennis Masters Series - Madrid
www.tennislive.net www.tennislive.net

2005 Mutua Madrileña Masters Madrid – Singles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 
Sunny014 said:
They did face each other in one of the qualifying matches in Madrid Masters 2005 and he was belted 6-4, 6-4 by Dr Ivo

Multiple websites say that

Why are Djokovic fans lying ? @BeatlesFan @mike danny

Ivo Karlovic vs. Novak Djokovic 15.10.2005 - Tennis Masters Series - Madrid | TennisLive.com

Ivo Karlovic vs. Novak Djokovic 15.10.2005 - Tennis Masters Series - Madrid
www.tennislive.net www.tennislive.net

2005 Mutua Madrileña Masters Madrid – Singles - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Qualifying matches are not (and never were) part of any official win/loss or H2H records
 
Medvedev on centre court. That will put a lot of butts on seats.
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I guarantee you that if it was Federer winning 2 sets to 1 in Court 1 and it would be suspended due to rain, he would request to finish the Match on Center Court on the same day and it would be completed.

The Organizers tried anything in their power to help Murray and now since he's out, they will help Fed at all cost at this point.
 
Soul_Evisceration said:
I guarantee you that if it was Federer winning 2 sets to 1 in Court 1 and it would be suspended due to rain, he would request to finish the Match on Center Court on the same day and it would be completed.

The Organizers tried anything in their power to help Murray and now since he's out, they will help Fed at all cost at this point.
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I believe Medvedev (and Hurkacz) declined to finish the match on Centre Court last night. Their problem in that case
It's a shame he didn't just get a Court 1 or Centre Court billing

Also no issues with Court 1 - it has a roof. It's Court 2 that's missing one
 
am1899 said:
Ranked 2 in the world, Med deserved the advantage of having that match played on one of the courts with a roof. We can all guess why Wimbledon made the decision not to give him that advantage.

But once Wimbledon made the decision, as illogical as it may have been, the time had come for the excuses to stop. Go play tennis and get the job done. Med failing to get it done is on him. Making excuses about the court now is sour grapes.
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Exactly. His grass tennis was not good enough for crying out loud.
 
Krish872007 said:
I believe Medvedev (and Hurkacz) declined to finish the match on Centre Court last night. Their problem in that case
It's a shame he didn't just get a Court 1 or Centre Court billing

Also no issues with Court 1 - it has a roof. It's Court 2 that's missing one
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If what you're saying is true and Medvedev declined then he's absolutely crazy and got no one to blame but himself.
 
jm1980 said:
If he played a couple matches on Centre in the early rounds (when he could afford dips in his level) to get better acclimated to the conditions, the outcome today could/would have been different
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He was playing struff in 1st round he cod have beaten him easily if this version of med played him on CC
 
Spencer Gore said:
Real alphas have a losing H2H record (humiliating in the slams) against their greatest rivals.

That's the true mark of the alpha. They don't waste energy regularly beating their fellow big beasts -they're perfectly happy to steal the goodies off the runts of the litter.
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Oh f$$k your h2h s**t....Real alphas don't have losing h2h vs Nick the saint kyrgios.
 
This is why I wasn't buying all the hype around Medvedev. Just because he won Mallorca I saw many saying he was going to win Wimbledon or how impressive was his comeback against Cilic.

In Mallorca, barring the final he majorly beat clay specialists... Ruud, PCB. Hard to evaluate his level on grass there.
Against Struff here he almost went to 5 sets (7-6 in the 4th) he struggled even more against Cilic. Cilic choked big time, making almost 50 UE in the last 3 sets. Basically donated the match. A couple of years ago he would have closed this match in 3. It already wasn't looking good for Medvedev.

Didn't see the first 3 sets against Hurkacz but he was quite horrid today. Couldn't put 1 return in the court. It's a good thing he won't play Federer, he would have been grinded with this level. Hurkacz has more chances to win imo.

Yep, it doesn't look good for Tsistipsas, Zverev and Rublev either. That goes without saying...
 
Maybe next gen(s) need to all switch/switch back to midsize no greater than 95 sq in headsize frames, and preferablly 17-19mm beams, and heavier strung weights again. More like Djokovich's real 2005 model racquet. The racquet manufacturers have gone too long too far this past decade on the majorly midplus, lighter racquet, tweener trend.
 
I don’t think that had anything to do with it. In set two he played a miserable tiebreak. Once Hubie won set 4 I knew that was it. His confidence was growing. Think about the Cilic match. Even at 5/0 he couldn’t serve it out.
 
T007 said:
He was playing struff in 1st round he cod have beaten him easily if this version of med played him on CC
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jm1980 said:
If he played a couple matches on Centre in the early rounds (when he could afford dips in his level) to get better acclimated to the conditions, the outcome today could/would have been different
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That's true, it could have been different, but Hurkacz did not get acclimated either and went to the CC and beat him. Maybe Hurkacz would have played even better then and beat him anyway.

Tournament was unfair to Med but he also didn't show why he is world no. 2 and he certainly is not second best on grass.
 
jm1980 said:
Do you really wanna go there? Because the list of players with a winning H2H against Federer is much longer than the lists for Djokovic or Nadal
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Longer than both of them combined, actually @Sunny014

Players with a winning record against Federer (29)
  1. Novak Djokovic: 27-23
  2. Rafael Nadal: 24-16
  3. Dominic Thiem: 5-2
  4. Alexander Zverev: 4-3
  5. Yevgeny Kafelnikov: 4-2
  6. Patrick Rafter: 3-0
  7. Thomas Enqvist: 3-1
  8. Alex Corretja: 3-2
  9. Franco Squillari: 2-0
  10. Wayne Ferreira: 2-1
  11. Dominik Hrbaty: 2-1
  12. Gustavo Kuerten: 2-1
  13. Felix Auger Aliassime: 1-0
  14. Pablo Andujar: 1-0
  15. Lucas Arnold Ker: 1-0
  16. Nikoloz Basilashvili: 1-0
  17. Byron Black: 1-0
  18. Sergi Bruguera: 1-0
  19. Kenneth Carlsen: 1-0
  20. Francisco Clavet: 1-0
  21. Evgeny Donskoy: 1-0
  22. Andrea Gaudenzi: 1-0
  23. Markus Hantschk: 1-0
  24. Thanasi Kokkinakis: 1-0
  25. Andrei Medvedev: 1-0
  26. Andrey Rublev: 1-0
  27. James Sekulov: 1-0
  28. Jan Siemerink: 1-0
  29. Christophe van Garsse: 1-0
Players with a winning record against Djokovic (11)
  1. Andy Roddick: 5-4
  2. Nick Kyrgios: 2-0
  3. Marat Safin: 2-0
  4. Fernando Gonzalez: 2-1
  5. Ivo Karlovic: 2-1
  6. Taro Daniel: 1-0
  7. Antony Dupuis: 1-0
  8. Daniel Evans: 1-0
  9. Dennis van Scheppingen: 1-0
  10. Jiri Vesely: 1-0
  11. Filippo Volandri: 1-0
Players with a winning record against Nadal (9)
  1. Novak Djokovic: 30-28
  2. Nikolay Davydenko: 6-5
  3. Dominik Hrbaty: 3-1
  4. Dustin Brown: 2-0
  5. Alex Corretja: 2-0
  6. Chris Guccione: 1-0
  7. Joachim Johansson: 1-0
  8. Olivier Mutis: 1-0
  9. Paradorn Srichaphan: 1-0
 
jm1980 said:
Longer than both of them combined, actually @Sunny014

Players with a winning record against Federer (29)
  1. Novak Djokovic: 27-23
  2. Rafael Nadal: 24-16
  3. Dominic Thiem: 5-2
  4. Alexander Zverev: 4-3
  5. Yevgeny Kafelnikov: 4-2
  6. Patrick Rafter: 3-0
  7. Thomas Enqvist: 3-1
  8. Alex Corretja: 3-2
  9. Franco Squillari: 2-0
  10. Wayne Ferreira: 2-1
  11. Dominik Hrbaty: 2-1
  12. Gustavo Kuerten: 2-1
  13. Felix Auger Aliassime: 1-0
  14. Pablo Andujar: 1-0
  15. Lucas Arnold Ker: 1-0
  16. Nikoloz Basilashvili: 1-0
  17. Byron Black: 1-0
  18. Sergi Bruguera: 1-0
  19. Kenneth Carlsen: 1-0
  20. Francisco Clavet: 1-0
  21. Evgeny Donskoy: 1-0
  22. Andrea Gaudenzi: 1-0
  23. Markus Hantschk: 1-0
  24. Thanasi Kokkinakis: 1-0
  25. Andrei Medvedev: 1-0
  26. Andrey Rublev: 1-0
  27. James Sekulov: 1-0
  28. Jan Siemerink: 1-0
  29. Christophe van Garsse: 1-0
Players with a winning record against Djokovic (11)
  1. Andy Roddick: 5-4
  2. Nick Kyrgios: 2-0
  3. Marat Safin: 2-0
  4. Fernando Gonzalez: 2-1
  5. Ivo Karlovic: 2-1
  6. Taro Daniel: 1-0
  7. Antony Dupuis: 1-0
  8. Daniel Evans: 1-0
  9. Dennis van Scheppingen: 1-0
  10. Jiri Vesely: 1-0
  11. Filippo Volandri: 1-0
Players with a winning record against Nadal (9)
  1. Novak Djokovic: 30-28
  2. Nikolay Davydenko: 6-5
  3. Dominik Hrbaty: 3-1
  4. Dustin Brown: 2-0
  5. Alex Corretja: 2-0
  6. Chris Guccione: 1-0
  7. Joachim Johansson: 1-0
  8. Olivier Mutis: 1-0
  9. Paradorn Srichaphan: 1-0
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Doesn't matter. In Fed's list everyone of them them is insignificant and also either too old or too young to have benefitted.

But in Ivo's case he has beaten Djokovic even in 2015 when Novak was at his peak
 
Sunny014 said:
Doesn't matter. In Fed's list everyone of them them is insignificant and also either too old or too young to have benefitted.
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Hahaha I knew there would have been excuses :-D

How are guys like Kafelnikov, Rafter, and Kuerten (who beat #1 Fed at the FO with a broken hip) "insignificant"? But Karlovic is "significant"? :-D :-D
How did Nadal take advantage of a "too old" or "too young" Federer if he led the H2H from the beginning, even as a teenager against Peakest Federer? :-D :-D :-D

There is a lesson here - do not invoke H2H arguments as a Fed fan because you will lose every time
 
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jm1980 said:
Hahaha I knew there would have been excuses :-D

How are guys like Kafelnikov, Rafter, and Kuerten (who beat #1 Fed at the FO with a broken hip) "insignificant"? But Karlovic is "significant"? :-D :-D
How did Nadal take advantage of a "too old" or "too young" Federer if he led the H2H from the beginning, even as a teenager against Peakest Federer? :-D :-D :-D

There is a lesson here - do not invoke H2H arguments as a Fed fan because you will lose every time
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Wrong
Stan and Wawrinka beat Djkovic multiple times in different slams in Djokovic's peak, quite shameful for Novak
Federer never lost to anyone at any slam in his peak except Safin and a teenage prodigy (google what is a teenage prodigy - it says the person was a genius as a teenager) whose knees started to decline from 2011 onwards.

So Djokovic was losing in Slams vs guys whose peak levels are not that big, this is what is important.
 
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