Medvedev- Facing Djokovic is easier than Nadal

MichaelNadal

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NoleFam

G.O.A.T.



"They are two big champions and two unbelievable opponents, but I think facing Novak for my kind of game is easier.
The matches against him are close and it excites me."



Well he's beaten Djokovic twice and lost all his matches against Nadal, including an epic choke from 5-1 match point up. I think this is a no brainer.
 



"They are two big champions and two unbelievable opponents, but I think facing Novak for my kind of game is easier.
The matches against him are close and it excites me."



Like we needed his statement to know about this..
 

Raphael Nadal

Hall of Fame
Djokovic is only great at returning and retrieving, and Medvedev is now better than Djokovic at those things, so Djokovic is harmless.
Whereas Rafa is great at everything, despite being way past his physical prime, so Rafa has lost some mobility (and that is where Medvedev excels) but gained in every other aspect :)
 

Hitman

Professional
Djokovic is only great at returning and retrieving, and Medvedev is now better than Djokovic at those things, so Djokovic is harmless.
Whereas Rafa is great at everything, despite being way past his physical prime, so Rafa has lost some mobility (and that is where Medvedev excels) but gained in every other aspect :)
Talk about absolutely tearing Nadal a new one by insulting him in such a manner.
 

octogon

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Reinforcing the fact that tennis IS about match ups.

Not really. Pretty much every player on the ATP at one point or another singles out Nadal as the hardest player to face. Including Djokovic and Federer, who have many wins against him.

Nadal is a bad matchup for everyone.
 

octogon

Hall of Fame
If you ask Fognini or Davydenko, they'll tell you the opposite. Matchups have a big weight in tennis.
If you have to go all the way back in time to name Davydenko, then your point loses impact. Rafa was nowhere near the complete player he became when Davy used to give him trouble. And Fognini got most of his wins over Rafa when Rafa was going through a career crisis and everyone was beating him.
 

octogon

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I don't think Davydenko agrees.
Read my post below. If you need to go back in ancient history before Nadal was a complete player to single out Davydenko, you don"t have much of point. It's like pointing out that Tim Henman used to regularly beat Federer, before he became the complete version of Federer.
 

Hitman

Professional
Read my post below. If you need to go back in ancient history before Nadal was a complete player to single out Davydenko, you don"t have much of point. It's like pointing out that Tim Henman used to regularly beat Federer, before he became the complete version of Federer.
It is all about match ups, interesting how you specifically brought Nadal into this, when I didn't mention him.... :D
Sampras was a match up problem for Agassi, yet Agassi was a match problem for Becker. You are confusing the level of the player to the playing style and how it matches up. Two different things.

In regards to your statement about Henman and Federer, shall we say Nadal isn't a match up problem for the next gen, because they are hardly complete players? As it stands right now, Nadal is match up problem for the next gen, he is NOT a match up problem for Federer, it is the reverse now. Bottom line is, it is still about how two player's games match up.
 
If you have to go all the way back in time to name Davydenko, then your point loses impact. Rafa was nowhere near the complete player he became when Davy used to give him trouble. And Fognini got most of his wins over Rafa when Rafa was going through a career crisis and everyone was beating him.
Lol, Davydenko beat peak Nadal in 2010.

There are modern examples as well, such as del Potro (hardest match-up = Djokovic) or Kyrgios (hardest match-up = pre-injury Murray).
 

octogon

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, he is NOT a match up problem for Federer, it is the reverse now. Bottom line is, it is still about how two player's games match up.
He still beats Federer like a read headed step child on clay. Djokovic as well.

Like I said, Nadal is a matchup problem for EVERYONE. The level of denial here is ridiculous. If you ask the majority of the players on tour who is the hardest to play, Nadal will be the most common answer. Maybe if your favorite player is Djokovic or Federer or whatever that feels like an insult, but such is life.
 

octogon

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Lol, Davydenko beat peak Nadal in 2010.

There are modern examples as well, such as del Potro (hardest match-up = Djokovic) or Kyrgios (hardest match-up = pre-injury Murray).

Nadal has had different peaks on different surfaces. Everyone knows that. Davydenko never faced the best, most consistent version of Nadal on a hardcourt, which is arguably in the last 2 years.

And Davy never beat Nadal in a slam as well.
 
Nadal has had different peaks on different surfaces. Everyone knows that. Davydenko never faced the best, most consistent version of Nadal on a hardcourt, which is arguably in the last 2 years.
Lol, 2009 Davydenko would destroy most versions of 2017-2019 Nadal on hardcourt. I do think that the best versions of Nadal (USO 2010 and 2013 for example) would beat pretty much any version of Davydenko, at least in BO5.
 

Hitman

Professional
He still beats Federer like a read headed step child on clay. Djokovic as well.
And gets his backside handed to him on the other surfaces...you are again confusing level of play for match up. Match up is just how two games match up when they play.

Like I said, Nadal is a matchup problem for EVERYONE. The level of denial here is ridiculous. If you ask the majority of the players on tour who is the hardest to play, Nadal will be the most common answer. Maybe if your favorite player is Djokovic or Federer or whatever that feels like an insult, but such is life.
Nope, it seems you are getting overly defensive here. Nadal's LEVEL OF PLAY is a problem for everyone, that is not the same as his game matching up. You are again confusing the two.
 

vex

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He still beats Federer like a read headed step child on clay. Djokovic as well.

Like I said, Nadal is a matchup problem for EVERYONE. The level of denial here is ridiculous. If you ask the majority of the players on tour who is the hardest to play, Nadal will be the most common answer. Maybe if your favorite player is Djokovic or Federer or whatever that feels like an insult, but such is life.
the last decade has shown Djokovic is the matchup problem for Nadal not the other way around
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
He still beats Federer like a read headed step child on clay. Djokovic as well.

Like I said, Nadal is a matchup problem for EVERYONE. The level of denial here is ridiculous. If you ask the majority of the players on tour who is the hardest to play, Nadal will be the most common answer. Maybe if your favorite player is Djokovic or Federer or whatever that feels like an insult, but such is life.
Nadal has never been a matchup problem for Djokovic on hardcourt. Nadal hasn't led the head to head against him on that surface since their very first match back at 2007 IW. Now, I would I say that he has been more of a problem for other players because of his unorthodox style compared to Djokovic or Federer but that does not mean every player had a problem with him. Davydenko sure didn't.
 

octogon

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Lol, 2009 Davydenko would destroy most versions of 2017-2019 Nadal on hardcourt. I do think that the best versions of Nadal (USO 2010 and 2013 for example) would beat pretty much any version of Davydenko, at least in BO5.

Davydenko couldn't even beat Nadal in Best of 5. Slow your roll
 

octogon

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the last decade has shown Djokovic is the matchup problem for Nadal not the other way around

9-6 in Grand Slams to Nadal. Over their careers, when it comes to the biggest titles, Nadal has hurt Djokovic, more than Djokovic has hurt him.

Facts.
 
Davydenko couldn't even beat Nadal in Best of 5. Slow your roll
They never met in BO5. Peak Davydenko would take full advantage of current Nadal's declined movement. 2017-2019 Nadal is nowhere near his prime on hardcourt, there were just a few matches where he really played great.
 

Hitman

Professional
Nadal has never been a matchup problem for Djokovic on hardcourt. Nadal hasn't led the head to head against him on that surface since their very first match back at 2007 IW. Now, I would I say that he has been more of a problem for other players because of his unorthodox style compared to Djokovic or Federer but that does not mean every player had a problem with him. Davydenko sure didn't.
Del Potro prefers playing Nadal than Djokovic, because Del Potro matches up worse against Djokovic than he does Nadal.
 

octogon

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Nadal has never been a matchup problem for Djokovic on hardcourt. Nadal hasn't led the head to head against him on that surface since their very first match back at 2007 IW. Now, I would I say that he has been more of a problem for other players because of his unorthodox style compared to Djokovic or Federer but that does not mean every player had a problem with him. Davydenko sure didn't.
But Nadal is a matchup issue for Djokovic on clay. Hence he has a match up issue with Nadal.

Whether it's on clay or other surfaces, Nadal presents everyone with a matchup problem.
 

Antonio Puente

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As it stands right now, Nadal is match up problem for the next gen, he is NOT a match up problem for Federer, it is the reverse now.
Sure, if you only look at a relatively small number of sporadic matches and conveniently subtract Nadal's best surface, clay(roughly 1/3 of the tennis season), then no, Nadal is no matchup problem for Fed.

And in this era of homogenized surfaces, matchups seem to matter less and less. Nadal and Djoker dominate pretty much every style of player.

In terms of matchups, I'm also curious as to what about Djoker's game would make things easier for Medvedev as opposed to Nadal.
 

octogon

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They never met in BO5. Peak Davydenko would take full advantage of current Nadal's declined movement. 2017-2019 Nadal is nowhere near his prime on hardcourt, there were just a few matches where he really played great.
Don't buy it. Peak Davydenko never won a slam. He was a Best Of 3 specialist. Trying to make him out to be some sort of unbeatable hardcourt god is ludicrous. Nadal is a far superior hardcourt player and peak Nadal on hardcourt should take Davy to school. But we'll never be certain as it won't happen
 

NoleFam

G.O.A.T.
But Nadal is a matchup issue for Djokovic on clay. Hence he has a match up issue with Nadal.

Whether it's on clay or other surfaces, Nadal presents everyone with a matchup problem.
That's a level of play issue, not a match up issue. Djokovic has beaten him every major clay tournament. On the other hand, he has never done that to Djokovic. He's only beaten him in 4/9 hardcourt tournaments. So if you think Djokovic has match up issue with him on clay then what is this?
 

Hitman

Professional
Sure, if you only look at a relatively small number of sporadic matches and conveniently subtract Nadal's best surface, clay(roughly 1/3 of the tennis season), then no, Nadal is no matchup problem for Fed.
Now you are sounding like those Fed fans who said Nadal ducked him on his best surfaces in the second half of the season, with a massive number of matches happening on clay in relation to Fed's playing grounds, when Nadal fans talked about owning him early in their careers. Funny how that comes around.

And in this era of homogenized surfaces, matchups seem to matter less and less. Nadal and Djoker dominate pretty much every style of player.

In terms of matchups, I'm also curious as to what about Djoker's game would make things easier for Medvedev as opposed to Nadal.
For one the spin, secondly Nadal is a lefty.
 

OhYes

Legend



"They are two big champions and two unbelievable opponents, but I think facing Novak for my kind of game is easier.
The matches against him are close and it excites me."



Did he say "easier for my kind of game" ?
 

octogon

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He said the last decade though and Djokovic leads that stat 6-5 in Slams, and 21-12 overall.

And I said over a career. You guys always want to cherrypick periods of Nadal's career that favor his opponent. I prefer to be fair and analyse the match-up over their whole careers.

Nadal has the career advantadge in slams H2H over Djokovic. When their careers are over, the cherrypicking of dates won't work.
 

Hitman

Professional
That's a level of play issue, not a match up issue. Djokovic has beaten him every major clay tournament. On the other hand, he has never done that to Djokovic. He's only beaten him in 4/9 hardcourt tournaments. So if you think Djokovic has match up issue with him on clay then what is this?
I still think some are having difficulty differentiating between these two things.
 
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