Medvedev has randomly become underrated

[Blahovic]

This season he's had his best AO result (and his 2nd slam final), his best RG result and now his best Wimbledon result (with a tough draw too - Stuff and Cilic in the first 3 rounds is insanely tough for a 2nd seed).

He even has a small chance of making the final of Wimbledon.

He's #2 in the world.

He took a big L from Djokovic in the AO final, but that can happen to a less experienced player against one of the GOATs. People seemed to dismiss him after that, but look at how Murray and Thiem progressively improved at the slams.

He's still a great player who's clearly improving on the biggest stages.

 

[gadge]

This season he's had his best AO result (and his 2nd slam final), his best RG result and now his best Wimbledon result (with a tough draw too - Stuff and Cilic in the first 3 rounds is insanely tough for a 2nd seed).

He even has a small chance of making the final of Wimbledon.

He's #2 in the world.

He took a big L from Djokovic in the AO final, but that can happen to a less experienced player against one of the GOATs. People seemed to dismiss him after that, but look at how Murray and Thiem progressively improved at the slams.

He's still a great player who's clearly improving on the biggest stages.

Not a small chance, he is the big favourite from the bottom half despite blatant discrimination by the WB. Time to face facts, he is the second best player on tour.

 

[InsideOut900]

This season he's had his best AO result (and his 2nd slam final), his best RG result and now his best Wimbledon result (with a tough draw too - Stuff and Cilic in the first 3 rounds is insanely tough for a 2nd seed).

He even has a small chance of making the final of Wimbledon.

He's #2 in the world.

He took a big L from Djokovic in the AO final, but that can happen to a less experienced player against one of the GOATs. People seemed to dismiss him after that, but look at how Murray and Thiem progressively improved at the slams.

He's still a great player who's clearly improving on the biggest stages.

I mean he gets a bad rep for the AO final, while too many people forget how good and consistent his results were from Paris last year till today. He even went the extra length to make the French Open quarters where everyone expected an early loss.

He isn't underrated as a contender for no1 in the world position, but he is underrated relative to the expectations most have for Next Genners right now.

 

[Swingmaster]

This season he's had his best AO result (and his 2nd slam final), his best RG result and now his best Wimbledon result (with a tough draw too - Stuff and Cilic in the first 3 rounds is insanely tough for a 2nd seed).

He even has a small chance of making the final of Wimbledon.

He's #2 in the world.

He took a big L from Djokovic in the AO final, but that can happen to a less experienced player against one of the GOATs. People seemed to dismiss him after that, but look at how Murray and Thiem progressively improved at the slams.

He's still a great player who's clearly improving on the biggest stages.

Everyone knows he's a great player, they were just stuck on him being a great hard court player and not so much on grass and clay. He's way too good to be losing to chumps on even those surfaces, though he did go down pretty easily against Tsitsipas.

 

[ND-13]

LOL at Thiem improving. He won an asterisk major. He was not winning if Djokovic chose not to hit the lineswoman.

Till Medvedev wins a major beating Nadal or Djokovic, nothing much to see.

 

[Russeljones]

This season he's had his best AO result (and his 2nd slam final), his best RG result and now his best Wimbledon result (with a tough draw too - Stuff and Cilic in the first 3 rounds is insanely tough for a 2nd seed).

He even has a small chance of making the final of Wimbledon.

He's #2 in the world.

He took a big L from Djokovic in the AO final, but that can happen to a less experienced player against one of the GOATs. People seemed to dismiss him after that, but look at how Murray and Thiem progressively improved at the slams.

He's still a great player who's clearly improving on the biggest stages.

Let people sleep on him. I am still backing him to come out on top, or very near it.

 

[stingstang]

AO final was a reality check and bump back to earth. Everyone expected Med to push Djoker hard (I did), a lot had him as favorite.

He will win a slam in the next few years.

 

[aldeayeah]

He's a solid contender. He is not a big 3 calibre player, but who is. I enjoy his game and demeanor barring the occasional meltdown.

 

[Jonesy]

It doesn't fit the agenda.

 

[The Guru]

Medvedev is better than Nadal at this point but because he hasn’t done the only thing most here care about (beating Novak in a slam) he’s not any good. People are still scarred by him ****ting the bed in the AO final after looking phenomenal for months in the lead up. Truth is he’s 1B to Djokovic’s 1A on faster and lower bouncing surfaces. Whether that’s true on grass too and not just on hard is yet to be seen but I suspect that’s the case too. Medovic final is the most likely outcome imo. On grass though Djokovic has a more clear defined advantage than on hard so that combined with what we saw in their last match creates the lack of regard for Meddys chances.

 

[Beulah Jesus]

He is a good player. He needs to become a great player.

 

[Tennisfan339]

He struggled hard against Struff and almost lost to a choking Cilic. I don't think he is underrated.
He has also lost to Lajovic, Bautista, Karatsev, Garin and Struff. That doesn't look good for a world number #2.
Outside of his AO final, he hasn't done anything in big tournaments. Early losses in all the Masters1000 he played so far,
And except an exhausted Tsitsipas in Melbourne, he really hasn't beaten anybody since the AO. How many victories against top-10 since Tsitsipas? His win yesterday against Cilic is likely his biggest one since the AO.
Last year he wins Bercy and ATP finals but the rest of his year had many early losses. 2020 was a terrible year for him, compared to 2019.

He is still number #2 but this is mostly thanks to the new ranking system. He kept all his points from late 2019 (Shanghaï, Cincinnati, USO,...) In the race this year he isn't even top-5 so far. Tsitsipas, Rublev, Nadal and Zverev all total more ATP points than him.

He needs to win a Slam or at least beat Nadal or Djokovic in a Slam. Tsitsipas and Thiem both beat Nadal in AO. Medvedev hasn't. He may have the opportunity to beat Federer in Wimbledon. It could be a huge step for him.
Can he beat Hurkacz, Federer and Zverev in a row after so much troubles against Struff and Cilic? I don't think so. I will be happy for him if he proves me wrong...

 

[Forehanderer]

WB has been too unfair to Medvedev regarding scheduling because of gender equity. Its all because of Murry and the wb overlords. Now he is facing hurkacz in court 2 which is a rung below court 1. All the while coco plays in centre court . This is bad scheduling for the world no.2. He hasn't seen the CC action at all

 

[InsideOut900]

WB has been too unfair to Medvedev regarding scheduling because of gender equity. Its all because of Murry and the wb overlords. Now he is facing hurkacz in court 2 which is a rung below court 1. All the while coco plays in centre court . This is bad scheduling for the world no.2. He hasn't seen the CC action at all

Technically he could have replaced Fed tomorrow if you really cared about fairness. WTA gets 1 match tomorrow, while ATP gets 2 matches on Center Court, so apparently it's women's fault here.
Even Djokovic had a match outside Center Court and he is 2 times def champ and #1 seed.

 

[Kralingen]

Medvedev from Paris Masters-AO final this year:

21-0. Masters 1000 title, ATP Cup title, YEC title.
TWELVE wins over Top 10 players. Wins over rublev, Zverev, Tsitsipas, Nadal, Berrettini. He beat everyone.

Yeah, he’s underrated. Wait til HC season rolls around. He is a future USO/AO champ without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Forehanderer]

Technically he could have replaced Fed tomorrow if you really cared about fairness. WTA gets 1 match tomorrow, while ATP gets 2 matches on Center Court, so apparently it's women's fault here.
Even Djokovic had a match outside Center Court and he is 2 times def champ and #1 seed.

People at wimbledon want to watch Federer in what maybe his last appearance. I can't question their logic. Murray also played his matches at CC. They could fit 3 ATP matches at CC if they want it.

 

[ForehandCross]

Medvedev from Paris Masters-AO final this year:

21-0. Masters 1000 title, ATP Cup title, YEC title.
TWELVE wins over Top 10 players.

Yeah, he’s underrated. Wait til HC season rolls around. He is a future USO/AO champ without a shadow of a doubt.

He basically was nervous and flabbergasted in the final.

The form he was in guaranteed a 5 setter, but he was absolutely not in it from the first ball.

 

[Kralingen]

He basically was nervous and flabbergasted in the final.

The form he was in guaranteed a 5 setter, but he was absolutely not in it from the first ball.

Give some credit to Djokovic. That first set went to 5-5 and Medvedev was up 2-0 in the 2nd set. He was hardly destroyed from the outset. That’s just revisionism to cope with Djokovic winning imo.

For a world #2 his clay/grass results are disappointing but on HC he is a terror. I expect him to go ballistic the 2nd half of the year.

 

[ForehandCross]

Give some credit to Djokovic. That first set went to 5-5 and Medvedev was up 2-0 in the 2nd set. He was hardly destroyed from the outset. That’s just revisionism to cope with Djokovic winning imo.

For a world #2 his clay/grass results are disappointing but on HC he is a terror. I expect him to go ballistic the 2nd half of the year.

Err no, check the live thread after the very first two points played I pointed out Medvedev was moving very unlike himself. He gathered himself in the mid of the set but then again fell apart.

 

[Kralingen]

Err no, check the live thread after the very first two points played I pointed out Medvedev was moving very unlike himself. He gathered himself in the mid of the set but then again fell apart.

Yeah obviously a guy who lost 7-5, 6-2, 6-2 could have played better. My point is that on HC he has proven himself to be by far the 2nd best player and is likely the favorite to reach the final at both the USO/AO. Talent wise he is elite and imo the best HC prospect since Djokovic.

 

[MeatTornado]

When you're #2 in the world it's no longer about progress or good results for your age. He's judged on his ability to actually win majors, and right now it's assumed that he has absolutely no shot at winning RG or Wimbledon, and he really disappointed when he got his shot in Australia. And after a good showing in New York in 2019, he went backwards the next year.

Within his generation he's not underrated, but he's done nothing to deserve being talked about as a real contender for Wimbledon. He still needs to earn that.

 

[The Blond Blur]

When you're #2 in the world it's no longer about progress or good results for your age. He's judged on his ability to actually win majors, and right now it's assumed that he has absolutely no shot at winning RG or Wimbledon, and he really disappointed when he got his shot in Australia. And after a good showing in New York in 2019, he went backwards the next year.

Within his generation he's not underrated, but he's done nothing to deserve being talked about as a real contender for Wimbledon. He still needs to earn that.

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

When you're #2 in the world it's no longer about progress or good results for your age. He's judged on his ability to actually win majors, and right now it's assumed that he has absolutely no shot at winning RG or Wimbledon, and he really disappointed when he got his shot in Australia. And after a good showing in New York in 2019, he went backwards the next year.

Within his generation he's not underrated, but he's done nothing to deserve being talked about as a real contender for Wimbledon. He still needs to earn that.

Would he prove his worth to you if he reaches the semis this year?

 

[MeatTornado]

Would he prove his worth to you if he reaches the semis this year?

no

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

no

Fair enough.

 

[TennisFan3]

no

What if he makes the final? Lives up to his seeding?
Would you still says he is overrated?

 

[BeatlesFan]

Time to face facts, he is the second best player on tour.

This is false and provably so.

Nadal in 2021 has won Barcelona (500), Rome (Masters 1000) and made the semis of RG.

Med in 2021 has won Marseilles (250) and Mallorca (250) and made the final of AO, where he was utterly destroyed.

Nadal has clearly had the better year and is thus the second best player on tour. Ask yourself this: which player would anyone in the USO draw rather face in a final there-- Rafa or Med?

 

[Sampras-Bruguera 1993]

They're all garbage with little desire and work ethic. All they do is praise Djokovic instead of dethroning him. "Oh Djokovic can win the Golden Slam". Med says.

Yea.... Some competitors. LOL. Wheres your balls dude? Djokovic is 34 and well past his best days. Med should be talking about winning the Golden Slam. Not some past prime 34 year old whos best days are long behind him

Imagine REAL champions like Mac, Connors, Sampras, etc. saying that. Its more like "Yea over my dead body youre going to embarrass me like that especially if in you're in your mid 30s"

 

[Djokovic_is_the_best#1]

This is false and provably so.

Nadal in 2021 has won Barcelona (500), Rome (Masters 1000) and made the semis of RG.

Med in 2021 has won Marseilles (250) and Mallorca (250) and made the final of AO, where he was utterly destroyed.

Nadal has clearly had the better year and is thus the second best player on tour. Ask yourself this: which player would anyone in the USO draw rather face in a final there-- Rafa or Med?

Nadal is questionable right now though. We have no idea how he will fare on hard courts for the rest of this year. That french open defeat will no doubt have had an affect mentally on the Spainard.

In matches now he does tire more easily too. His stamina is not what it was. It would of course be foolish to write Rafa off but this us open I feel could be a struggle for him. He never historically does well the rest of year on the rare years he doesn’t win RG.

Medvedev is an established top hard court player and very consistent. I think at this point many might back him to be more dangerous than Rafa at us open. At the moment though it’s too early to say.

 

[MeatTornado]

What if he makes the final? Lives up to his seeding?
Would you still says he is overrated?

I didn't say he's overrated. But he's decidedly not underrated in my book, which is what the OP was about.

 

[Nadal_King]

Medvedev is surely a top 3 player currently along with Novak/Rafa and I think he can win a Slam soon maybe this year , best chance will be at Us open with career best results at 3 slams this year you would think he would want same at Us open as well which would mean he wins there

 

[UnforcedTerror]

This is false and provably so.

Nadal in 2021 has won Barcelona (500), Rome (Masters 1000) and made the semis of RG.

Med in 2021 has won Marseilles (250) and Mallorca (250) and made the final of AO, where he was utterly destroyed.

Nadal has clearly had the better year and is thus the second best player on tour. Ask yourself this: which player would anyone in the USO draw rather face in a final there-- Rafa or Med?

As clueless as always.

Med would eat Bull for breakfast. I hope they meet in the USO.

 

[Phoenix1983]

I agree, OP.

He'll reach the Wimbledon final.

 

[TennisFan3]

I didn't say he's overrated. But he's decidedly not underrated in my book, which is what the OP was about.

My take is that he is not underrated with his ranking.
He is underrated in that he gets court #2 to play and the way he is treated by the ATP.
Also most TTW thinks he is not exciting to watch at all. And that is the rationale for giving him step motherly treatment in a slam.

I mean he will win a slam someday, I hope. But what does he need to do to earn more respect, get proper scheduling etc? The guy has beaten Nadal, Novak won WTF and multiple M1000 and made 2 slam finals.

 

[Ganstaz003]

LMFAO an average journeyman like Wawrinka managed to show the true level of Djokovic (which is not as great as people proclaiming him to be currently) by pummeling him off the court in the 2015 Roland Garros final (Stan's second ever final) whilst Medvededv looked like an utter bum against Djokovic in his seconf ever final. So if any of the best and top new GEN can't at the very least replicate such a performance of Wawrinka, never mind surpassing it, then they have to continue to be relegated to a pathetic mug and bum status unfortunately and indefinitely.

Being world number 2 and having your best record (relative to your past pathetic records) mean nothing, unless you are able to dethrone the big 3. Anything short of that, will have to be considered an embarrassing failure from the likes of Medvedev. Unless Medvedev and the likes go in there and dethrone Djokovic, Nadal and Federer the same way Federer dethroned Pete Sampras, Medvedev will continue to be seen as this embarrassment of an athlete.

 

[abmk]

LMFAO an average journeyman like Wawrinka managed to show the true level of Djokovic (which is not as great as people proclaiming him to be currently) by pummeling him off the court in the 2015 Roland Garros final (Stan's second ever final) whilst Medvededv looked like an utter bum against Djokovic in his seconf ever final. So if any of the best and top new GEN can't at the very least replicate such a performance of Wawrinka, never mind surpassing it, then they have to continue to be relegated to a pathetic mug and bum status unfortunately and indefinitely.

Being world number 2 and having your best record (relative to your past pathetic records) mean nothing, unless you are able to dethrone the big 3. Anything short of that, will have to be considered an embarrassing failure from the likes of Medvedev. Unless Medvedev and the likes go in there and dethrone Djokovic, Nadal and Federer the same way Federer dethroned Pete Sampras, Medvedev will continue to be seen as this embarrassment of an athlete.

If they can come close to 80% of Stan's performances in AO 14 /RG 15 to lift a slam .... we can talk...
Putting in a putting effort like in the AO final is just fail.

 

[TripleATeam]

This is false and provably so.

Nadal in 2021 has won Barcelona (500), Rome (Masters 1000) and made the semis of RG.

Med in 2021 has won Marseilles (250) and Mallorca (250) and made the final of AO, where he was utterly destroyed.

Nadal has clearly had the better year and is thus the second best player on tour. Ask yourself this: which player would anyone in the USO draw rather face in a final there-- Rafa or Med?

But Med's late 2020 to AO 2021 form on HC is far greater than what Rafa achieved in the same period. Med isn't the 2nd best player in the world from January, that would be Tsitsipas. Med is the 2nd best in the last 12 months, though, if I remember correctly.

And given his form in the last 2 years on HC, I'd be more afraid of Med at the USO than Rafa.

 

[Ganstaz003]

If they can come close to 80% of Stan's performances in AO 14 /RG 15 to lift a slam .... we can talk...
Putting in a putting effort like in the AO final is just fail.

Yh, and saying 'there's no disgrace in losing to Djokovic because Djokovic is too great' is not a valid excuse either, since even a journeyman in Wawrinka could not only beat, but annihilate and humiliate peak Djokovic. So if the best NEW-GEN can't even equal, much less surpass the level of a journeyman like Wawrinka, then they deserve to be treated as embarrassing failures.

 

[abmk]

Yh, and saying 'there's no disgrace in losing to Djokovic because Djokovic is too great' is not a valid excuse either, since even a journeyman in Wawrinka could not only beat, but annihilate and humiliate peak Djokovic. So if the best NEW-GEN can't even equal, much less surpass the level of a journeyman like Wawrinka, then they deserve to be treated as embarrassing failures.

Wawrinka is not a journeyman, but he's not an ATG either.
Forget Wawrinka for a second - these guys still haven't surpassed Tsonga/Ferrer/Berdych/Soderling in slams (except for Thiem, who is on their level, but got lucky to win his slam)

 

[TennisFan3]

Yh, and saying 'there's no disgrace in losing to Djokovic because Djokovic is too great' is not a valid excuse since even a journeyman can not only beat, but annihilate and humiliate peak Djokovic. So if the best NEW-GEN can't even equal, much less surpass the level of a journeyman like Wawrinka, then they deserve to be treated as embarrassing failures.

That analogy does not flow.
Wawrinka was a bad match up for Novak. And hence his success vs Novak. Wawrinka did nothing vs Nadal or Fed other than beating a broken back Nadal in AO .
Wawrinka's record vs Fed and Nadal is embarrassing. He only won the majors he did because he was a really bad matchup for Novak. And that is why Wawrinka never became a dominant player or #1.

Djokovic is too great is not a cliche. It actually is true. The guy is GOAT. At his peak he is better than Fed and Nadal both. The only guy who had success against peak Novak is Wawrinka because of match up issues.

Even Superman has a kryptonite. And what Djokovic is doing in tennis is nothing short of a superhero.

 

[abmk]

That analogy does not flow.
Wawrinka was a bad match up for Novak. And hence his success vs Novak. Wawrinka did nothing vs Nadal or Fed other than beating a broken back Nadal in AO .
Wawrinka's record vs Fed and Nadal is embarrassing. He only won the majors he did because he was a really bad matchup for Novak. And that is why Wawrinka never became a dominant player or #1.

Djokovic is too great is not a cliche. It actually is true. The guy is GOAT. At his peak he is better than Fed and Nadal both. The only guy who had success against peak Novak is Wawrinka because of match up issues.

Even Superman has a kryptonite. And what Djokovic is doing in tennis is nothing short of a superhero.

what a load of cr*p.
Djokovic won 1 slam each in 12/13/14 when competition was decent or better.
15-16 no one else physically+mentally there to beat him over 5 sets - not fed, not murray.

11/12 fed went 2-3 vs djoko in slams (a point away from 3-2). these were 2 of djoko's best 3 years (other one being 15 of course). that was past his prime fed too.
Put the same fed in 15/16 and he'd beat Djokovic then.
Nadal went 2-3 vs djoko from 2011-RG 13 (even leaving USO 13 because djoko crumbled there)

wawrinka only guy to have success against peak djoko? LMAO.

peak fed better than djoko at 3/4 slams.
peak nadal obviously takes him at RG. Wim/USO is close and djokovic wins at AO.

 

[zagor]

On TTW as it stands right now, the dude's overrated.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Until he wins a slam no one cares, I feel.

 

[duaneeo]

The #2 ranked, 25 year old Medvedev is 0-3 vs Nadalovic at the slams, 0-3 vs Nadalovic in finals, and 0-3 vs Federer.

Hard court specialist Medvedev lost the USO final in 5 sets to a clay court specialist 10 years his senior, then lost the semifinal the following year in straight sets to another clay court specialist.

Medvedev lost in 4 sets to a healthy 31-year-old Djokovic at the AO in 2019, but lost in straight sets to a 33-year-old Nole playing with a muscle tear in 2021.

Medvedev surely isn't underrated, and is randomly becoming overrated.

 

[zagor]

Until he wins a slam no one cares, I feel.

You mean the best players and "stars" of the game are expected to win the biggest tourneys? That's just outrageous.

 

[Jonas78]

I like Med, but clearly not underrated. He must be the weakest #2 in tennis history, no offence. The x-factor is non-existing.

 

[Stefan]

Win a slam and that will change everything. Until then, he's overrated.

 

[UnforcedTerror]

Haters are gonna hate so I don't really care how they rate him and I'm sure he himself doesn't care either.

Med's title at the ATP Finals is way more impressive than many slams and I have full confidence in him winning multiple slams in the future with his first coming this season or the next.

 

[Tshooter]

…
Med's title at the ATP Finals is way more impressive than many slams and I have full confidence in him winning multiple slams in the future with his first coming this season or the next.

 

[Ganstaz003]

That analogy does not flow.
Wawrinka was a bad match up for Novak. And hence his success vs Novak. Wawrinka did nothing vs Nadal or Fed other than beating a broken back Nadal in AO .
Wawrinka's record vs Fed and Nadal is embarrassing. He only won the majors he did because he was a really bad matchup for Novak. And that is why Wawrinka never became a dominant player or #1.

Djokovic is too great is not a cliche. It actually is true. The guy is GOAT. At his peak he is better than Fed and Nadal both. The only guy who had success against peak Novak is Wawrinka because of match up issues.

Even Superman has a kryptonite. And what Djokovic is doing in tennis is nothing short of a superhero.

LMFAO! IF a player as basic and average as Wawrinka is a bad match-up in the first place for Djokovic, then maybe Djokovic is not qualified of becoming the greatest, period. Djokovic at his peak beats everyone and wins every slam, but the moment he meets Wawrinka, such as in the 2015 Roland Garros final, reality very quickly sets in and all of a sudden, he is no greater than Federer, Nadal or any other past all-time great player. The moment he meets Wawrinka, is the moment all of a sudden his amazing backhand or his amazing defense or his amazing everything else is nowhere to be seen. The only thing can be seen is Wawrinka crushing Djokovic like a Serbian little bug.

And if Wawrinka can do this to prime Djokovic, Djokovic has 0 hope against peak Federer who by the way, can do everything Wawrinka can do but better plus more. So even by match-up, Djokovic has no chance against peak Federer.