Medvedev is a good replacement for Murray

I hope Medvedev stays in the top 4 that would provide some balance in the draws
Maybe, but Murray had such a great ROS and Med could improve that. Especially against Rafa.

It has been a while since I have seen Murray play at a high level, so I could be wrong, but I also feel he could hit the ball much harder then Med too.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Maybe, but Murray had such a great ROS and Med could improve that. Especially against Rafa.

It has been a while since I have seen Murray play at a high level, so I could be wrong, but I also feel he could hit the ball much harder then Med too.
Perhaps he can.

But he won't.
 

TimHenmanATG

Professional
You are besmirching Murray's signifance and influence in the sport if you think that the current Next-Gen "flavour of the month" could seamlessly replace Andy.

Medvedev would have to become an ATG to consistently replicate what Andy has achieved during this GOAT era.
 

James P

Professional
Being #4 means only 2 Big 3 matches a tourney instead of potentially all 3. He quite literally could have had QF Djoko, SF Roger, F Nadal if it all went chalk.
 

Wrecker

New User
Too early to say anything. Murray in 2008 summer season at age 21 did even better than Medvedev. SF in Toronto, Win in Cincinnati, final in US Open. In these events he beat Djokovic in Cincinnati, a hot Del Potro in a tight match at US Open and gave one of his best performances to beat Nadal in SF. For Medvedev to keep up with Murray's level he needs to win a few Masters titles, make slam semis and finals consistently for next 2-3 years to even get any consideration of being same level as Murray. And he has the benfit of getting to do this in a less competitive era. Murray even reached No.2 in 2009. Let's see if Medvedev can achieve all this, then we will talk if he's a worthy replacement or not.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Med will have way more success than muzzard ever had. granted that will be in part due to the big 3 fading away as the years pass. med reminds me more of djoker than muzzard tho.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Med will have way more success than muzzard ever had. granted that will be in part due to the big 3 fading away as the years pass. med reminds me more of djoker than muzzard tho.
He's got some catching up to do. At Medvedev's age (23 years and 7 months) , Murray was also ranked #4, had made 2 Slam finals (and was about to make a 3rd) and had won 16 titles (over 3 more than Medvedev) including 6 at Masters 1000 level (1 more than same age Djokovic at that time).
 
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Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
I hope Medvedev stays in the top 4 that would provide some balance in the draws
CQ, he has the potential to win more because his serve has much more potential. Murry's career average for winning games on HC is 82%, actually 81.55%. That is abysmal for a potential ATG, so right there you see why he was not vying regularly at majors for the trophy. With that you need 38% of return games to get to the magic 60%.

Medvedev is just barely below that right now, serve, and you know that's bound to go up. He is presently at 85% of service games on HC, so with his very good return game he will just get more and more dangerous if his return skills do not decline. The big question is whether or not he can continue to defend this way, and of course to do so he has to stay injury free.
 
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Mainad

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CQ, he has the potential to win more because his serve has much more potential. Murry's career average for winning games on HC is 82%, actually 81.55%. That is abysmal for a potential ATG, so right there you see why he was not vying regularly at majors for the trophy. With that you need 38% of return games to get to the magic 60%.
On the contrary, he vied for no less than 7 HC majors (finals from 2008 right up to 2016, his last good year on tour). He just couldn't win most of them.

Medvedev is just barely below that right now, serve, and you know that's bound to go up. He is presently at 85% of service games on HC, so with his very good return game he will just get more and more dangerous if his return skills do not decline. The big question is whether or not he can continue to defend this way, and of course to do so he has to stay injury free.
If he continues to play at the level he displayed at the US Open he will have a very bright future ahead of him. There can be no no arguments there.
 

Gary Duane

G.O.A.T.
On the contrary, he vied for no less than 7 HC majors (finals from 2008 right up to 2016, his last good year on tour). He just couldn't win most of them.
Poor choice of words. Vying is wrong. His serve stopped him from lifting more trophies.

I think with a better serve he would have won many slams. I think you know why I say that. His serve was always his greatest weakness, mostly the 2nd serve. He had everything else. He really did.

When I talk about his comparatively weak serve, it's not a criticism. It's a regret. It's the opposite of one of my favorites, Lopez, who has a beautiful serve, great net skills and other weapons. But the weak backhand, mostly slice, does him in every time and has done for a very long time. You can't really say Murray's serve was weak, because no one wins several majors with a serve that is really weak, but you have to admit that Murray with the serve of a few other players on tour would have been much more of a monster.
 

Wurm

Rookie
It has been a while since I have seen Murray play at a high level, so I could be wrong, but I also feel he could hit the ball much harder then Med too.
He could. He often didn't.

How much of that was the back/hip blunting him over the years, how much was players adjusting to how hard Murray could hit a backhand when it sat up for him and how much of that was the way Murray saw the game I'm not sure.

I hope Med kicks on from here and doesn't just ebb back into the pack as Zverev and Tsitsipas have for the time being. Still, if those two get it together again, FAA continues to develop as he has been doing and maybe Rublev can make up for lost time then maybe next year is when we finally see a proper sea change? One can hope.

So, so bored of the Groundhog Day of the big 3 now. Closing time was 5 hours ago, the lock-in has gone on long enough.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Maybe, but Murray had such a great ROS and Med could improve that. Especially against Rafa.

It has been a while since I have seen Murray play at a high level, so I could be wrong, but I also feel he could hit the ball much harder then Med too.
I'm not trying to compare Medvedev to Murray. What I'm trying to say is, Med is good enough to make the SF often and actually challenge any of the Big 3. Right now 2 of the Big 3 end up on one side of the draw and one (usually Djokovic) has no challenge in the SF, unlike the days when it was 90% guaranteed that the Big4 would challenge each other in the SF.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Murray bores me to death, but anyone saying Medvedev is on that skill level or more exciting is delusional.

And for reference purpsoes:

It is nothing to do with their skill level. Right now there is not a 4th player to consistently make the SF and make the draw more even at the top. I just think Medvedev could be that 4th player.
 
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