Medvedev is the first member of ATP Next Gen...

ibbi

Legend
I mean he beat Tsitsipas to that crown, but Stefanos might well have made it had he not had to go through 2 members of the big 3 in order to make it to the final in Australia. I don't doubt that Daniil will do better against Rafa on Sunday than Tsitsipas did against him in Australia, but he's still had an INFINITELY easier run to get to this stage. In spite of how badly it fizzled out at the last, Stefanos' Melbourne run is probably one of the best there has been all year.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
... who reached the GS final. Before Zverev, Tsitsipas, Kyrgios and other members of Next Gen. Furthermore he is only the third GS finalist in the men's singles, born in the 1990s (after Raonic and Thiem).
No matter the outcome of Sunday's final, it's been a great HC swing for Med, with this as the culmination. If he's moving well ...and he can really motor...I give him a decent shot at the title, though still lean to Rafa. He has a big serve, huge hitting radius, a dependable backhand, and while not explosive, hits great angles.

Looking ahead, who do you think will be the most successful of Med,Tsitsipas and Zverev (putting others aside for now)?
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
No matter the outcome of Sunday's final, it's been a great HC swing for Med, with this as the culmination. If he's moving well ...and he can really motor...I give him a decent shot at the title, though still lean to Rafa. He has a big serve, huge hitting radius, a dependable backhand, and while not explosive, hits great angles.

Looking ahead, who do you think will be the most successful of Med,Tsitsipas and Zverev (putting others aside for now)?
I don’t think Tsitsipas and Zverev have the competitor gene like Medvedev does. I think Med will blow them both away, despite having a crummy forehand.

Unfortunately for Medvedev, Nadal is a bad matchup for him, just like Medvedev is a bad matchup for Tsitsipas.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
I don’t think Tsitsipas and Zverev have the competitor gene like Medvedev does. I think Med will blow them both away, despite having a crummy forehand.

Unfortunately for Medvedev, Nadal is a bad matchup for him, just like Medvedev is a bad matchup for Tsitsipas.
You may be right, although Med hasn't really blown out Tsitsipas; in their four matches, none have been straight-setters, and Med is two years older than him. This can turn around over time.

I do think that Tsit is a competitor (for instance, Fed threw a lot of variety at him at the AO, which he handled quite well), but has to mature a little emotionally. I can't figure out Zverev, who at his best may have the same attributes as Med, and even more. Big (if erratic) serve, strong backhand, very good movement for his size, etc.

In other words, after all my verbiage, I struggle to answer my own question. All three have a lot of talent, and Med is the strongest mentally... at this point.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
You may be right, although Med hasn't really blown out Tsitsipas; in their four matches, none have been straight-setters, and Med is two years older than him. This can turn around over time.

I do think that Tsit is a competitor (for instance, Fed threw a lot of variety at him at the AO, which he handled quite well), but has to mature a little emotionally. I can't figure out Zverev, who at his best may have the same attributes as Med, and even more. Big (if erratic) serve, strong backhand, very good movement for his size, etc.

In other words, after all my verbiage, I struggle to answer my own question. All three have a lot of talent, and Med is the strongest mentally... at this point.
I get a completely different feeling watching Medvedev play points compared to when I watch Zverev. Medvedev looks like he’s actually thinking out there.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
I get a completely different feeling watching Medvedev play points compared to when I watch Zverev. Medvedev looks like he’s actually thinking out there.
I agree with that. There's a bit of Djokovic in his point construction, although I'm not saying he'll match his career. When I first really paid attention to him, his movement and easy, languid strokes also brought to mind Miloslav Mecir ("The Big Cat"), though not quite as creative(?). There's a lot to like in his game, and as a Nadal fan, I am not taking this match for granted. I think he'll embrace his underdog role - not sure about the slightly overplayed "villain" role.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
I agree with that. There's a bit of Djokovic in his point construction, although I'm not saying he'll match his career. When I first really paid attention to him, his movement and easy, languid strokes also brought to mind Miloslav Mecir ("The Big Cat"), though not quite as creative(?). There's a lot to like in his game, and as a Nadal fan, I am not taking this match for granted. I think he'll embrace his underdog role - not sure about the slightly overplayed "villain" role.
I also think you can’t discount the personality type effect. Zverev and Tsitsipas have revealed that they are narcissists with fragile egos. Medvedev feeding off boos tells me his inner confidence is more substantial.
 

RaulRamirez

Hall of Fame
I also think you can’t discount the personality type effect. Zverev and Tsitsipas have revealed that they are narcissists with fragile egos. Medvedev feeding off boos tells me his inner confidence is more substantial.
Time will tell, but I think you're writing off Z, and especially Tsit (just turned 21) quite early. I agree about Med, even though he's a bit quirky.
 

Enceladus

Hall of Fame
No matter the outcome of Sunday's final, it's been a great HC swing for Med, with this as the culmination. If he's moving well ...and he can really motor...I give him a decent shot at the title, though still lean to Rafa. He has a big serve, huge hitting radius, a dependable backhand, and while not explosive, hits great angles.

Looking ahead, who do you think will be the most successful of Med,Tsitsipas and Zverev (putting others aside for now)?
Medvedev because he is the mentally strongest of the mentioned three. IMO Zverev will not earn a GS title unless it changes its access to the game.
 
You may be right, although Med hasn't really blown out Tsitsipas; in their four matches, none have been straight-setters, and Med is two years older than him. This can turn around over time.

I do think that Tsit is a competitor (for instance, Fed threw a lot of variety at him at the AO, which he handled quite well), but has to mature a little emotionally. I can't figure out Zverev, who at his best may have the same attributes as Med, and even more. Big (if erratic) serve, strong backhand, very good movement for his size, etc.

In other words, after all my verbiage, I struggle to answer my own question. All three have a lot of talent, and Med is the strongest mentally... at this point.
Zverev just can’t hack it in best of 5 matches for whatever reason - whether physical/psychological I don’t know.
 

King No1e

Legend
I mean he beat Tsitsipas to that crown, but Stefanos might well have made it had he not had to go through 2 members of the big 3 in order to make it to the final in Australia. I don't doubt that Daniil will do better against Rafa on Sunday than Tsitsipas did against him in Australia, but he's still had an INFINITELY easier run to get to this stage. In spite of how badly it fizzled out at the last, Stefanos' Melbourne run is probably one of the best there has been all year.
Here's hoping that Stefanos can make the final next year and shut the NextGen haters' phucks up.
 

MeatTornado

Legend
Isnt he the same age as Thiem? @Enceladus

Didnt think he is same age as Tsitsipas and Zverev,

Not a Nextgen.
Pretty much anyone who qualified for the inaugural NextGen Finals in 2017 is considered part of the NextGen class, even if they're a little older now.

He was 21 at the time. Anyone born 1996 or later was eligible, and he was born in February 96. So he's at the tail end of what's considered NextGen, but he's only 3 months older than Khachanov and Chung, and I think everyone considers them NextGen.
 
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