Medvedev says "nationality plays a key role"

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yourtennisfit

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So Daniil says in his press conference that he lost love for tennis and claims that the nationality is part of the reason.
I can't even express how wrong I think this is...

And not because I want to say that the Aussie crowd behaved well - they didn't, even though I think the French crowd is usually much worse :D

But I think key factor that people don't support Daniil is his behavior on court. Firstly, he doesn't show any positive emotion - winning or not. People just love some emotion to feed off from.
And then he - again and again - be it for a reason or just pure gamesmanship, behaves pretty poorly on the court.
Alone for AO:
- provokes crowd after Kyrgios win, only stopped by Courier
- shouts "boring" when Cressy finds a way to get to him
- plays mindgames with FAA once he is down a set
- screams at the referee like a madman in the semis (with a reason, but still)

So in which sport would you expect to be supported after this behavior?
I respect Daniil for all sports moments, but I don't have any support in me for him. And mainly because he is so unreflected about his own manners and loves to complain about everybody else.

Whats your point on this?
 
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Nadal_Django said:
The tennis west is still stuck in a Rocky Vs Drago movie. It's sad to witness these things, it's a fricking 2022 but still here we are. Most important thing in tennis is your name to be John and not Vladimir as it stands. Sad...:(
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Literally my favourite player of all times is Marat Safin - people love Aslan Karatsev, Grigor Dimitrov etc
It's just your own behavior and how you treat others, not your frickin nationality. All you guys need to grow up and man up to what your idols are doing
 
junior74

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If the umpires did a better job, the crowd would like/ dislike players based on tennis instead of this kind of stuff... Of course, you make your own bed to some degree, but I agree with Medvedev on the umpire's responsibility to silence the crowd to keep things somewhat fair.

The racist part of it needs to be discussed in the right forums. But I see it more as a "established vs new" player thing for the most part.
 
weakera

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Americans love Russians. Particularly the extreme right wing nutjobs who see Putin as the saviour of white supremacy.
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Ovechkin took home the ESPY (voted by American fans) for best male athlete -- not in the NHL -- but in ALL OF SPORTS:


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Maybe he is undercover as "Alexander Oswalt?" Surely Americans wouldn't overlook his slavic name?
 
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Spanglish72

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Wasn't Safin a fan favorite down under?

Medvedev is his own worst enemy.

When he's got 20 slams & going for 21, he'll probably have a few more fans cheering for him.

Until then keep grinding and earn respect by playing hard for the next decade small cat!
 
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weakera said:
Ovechkin took home the ESPY (voted by American fans) for best male athlete -- not in the NHL -- but in ALL OF SPORTS:


Just a week removed from celebrating with the Stanley Cup in Moscow, Ovechkin was named Best Male Athlete Wednesday night at the 2018 ESPYs.
The 32-year-old is the first NHL player to win the award since it was first introduced in 1993.
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Maybe he is undercover as "Alexander Oswalt?" Surely Americans wouldn't overlook his slavic name?
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And why is Ovechkin loved? Because he is just a honest guy who loves to play his sport and respects his opponents
He doesn't get entangled with crows, nor does he lash out at people who are against him...
 
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yourtennisfit said:

So Daniil says in his press conference that he lost love for tennis and claims that the nationality is part of the reason.
I can't even express how wrong I think this is...

And not because I want to say that the Aussie crowd behaved well - they didn't, even though I think the French crowd is usually much worse :D

But I think key factor that people don't support Daniil is his behavior on court. Firstly, he doesn't show any positive emotion - winning or not. People just love some emotion to feed off from.
And then he - again and again - be it for a reason or just pure gamesmanship, behaves pretty poorly on the court.
Alone for AO:
- provokes crowd after Kyrgios win, only stopped by Courier
- shouts "boring" when Cressy finds a way to get to him
- plays mindgames with FAA once he is down a set
- screams at the referee like a madman in the semis (with a reason, but still)

So in which sport would you expect to be supported after this behavior?
I respect Daniil for all sports moments, but I don't have any support in me for him. And mainly because he is so unreflected about his own manners and loves to complain about everybody else.

Whats your point on this?
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My point on this - why you always have to explain what he did or didn't do, to badmouth player even more by listing all the things you didn't like ?
Do you really think persons that booed had that list in their head when they felt Med should receive such treatment ?
All those excuses for behaving like jerk to a player are horrid low from anyone who does it.
- He doesn't show positive emotion. That's hypocrisy even if it's true. You love Fed for his poker face but Med is no no.
- Since when did you care about umpires, whether someone talks loud or not in their direction ? What about gamesmanship. How many players tried something of those ?
Just stop searching for excuses and admit you are not entitled to distract player in a match bcs of your hate.
And he has every right to conclude whatever he wants being treated like he was.
 
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OhYes said:
My point on this - why you always have to explain what he did or didn't do, to badmouth player even more by listing all the things you didn't like ?
Do you really think persons that booed had that list in their head when they felt Med should receive such treatment ?
All those excuses for behaving like jerk to a player are horrid low from anyone who does it.
- He doesn't show positive emotion. That's hypocrisy even if it's true. You love Fed for his poker face but Med is no no.
- Since when did you care about umpires, whether someone talks loud or not in their direction ? What about gamesmanship. How many players tried something of those ?
Just stop searching for excuses and admit you are not entitled to distract player in a match bcs of your hate.
And he has every right to conclude whatever he wants being treated like he was.
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Mate I didn't personally scream from Europe or something and I even said that I think it was bad.
But he shouldn't blame it on his nationality when he has done nothing to get fans behind him - even didn't take Couriers advice on it.
 
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yourtennisfit said:
Mate I didn't personally scream from Europe or something and I even said that I think it was bad.
But he shouldn't blame it on his nationality when he has done nothing to get fans behind him - even didn't take Couriers advice on it.
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Why are you trying to make excuse of his bad treatment at all ? If it was bad it was. He is single person being attacked personally. Crowd is just bunch of random people. Who cares if you point finger at random bunch of people, would they suffer ? But it's easier I guess when you have person to pick on. Psychology of bullies.
 
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OhYes said:
Why are you trying to make excuse of his bad treatment at all ? If it was bad it was. He is single person being attacked personally. Crowd is just bunch of random people. Who cares if you point finger at random bunch of people, would they suffer ? But it's easier I guess when you have person to pick on. Psychology of bullies.
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Nope - I just said that I don't take his nationality excuse for it and would like to see him man up to his behavior.
Especially since he has shown the "bully" mindset more often than anybody else (with Cressy, umpire etc)
 
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yourtennisfit said:
Nope - I just said that I don't take his nationality excuse for it and would like to see him man up to his behavior.
Especially since he has shown the "bully" mindset more often than anybody else (with Cressy, umpire etc)
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Lol but Kyrgios was never booed like Med bcs he did far worse things.
How do you know it isn't nationality ? Are you Russian ? It's like saying black ppl were never treated badly bcs of what they are but bcs of what they did.
 
Adam Copeland

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Is it even worth playing Tennis to endure all this ???
Outside the top 50 players who even makes a lot of money ?
Best tennis players are not even the best athletes globally, in some other sports like football you might find many Nadals/Djokovics types with lot of stamina, endurance and strength, just that they are not trained with a racquet in their hand.

Maybe Tennis will be dead after DJokodal retire ? Good riddance .... I think after the Big 3 nobody will even care who is the GOAT and who has records .....
 
Spanglish72

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OhYes said:
Why are you trying to make excuse of his bad treatment at all ? If it was bad it was. He is single person being attacked personally. Crowd is just bunch of random people. Who cares if you point finger at random bunch of people, would they suffer ? But it's easier I guess when you have person to pick on. Psychology of bullies.
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When Federer was the King did you ever see fans boo Nadal?

No!

Because Rafa has class and treats everyone with respect.

Medvedev, Djokovic & McEnroe act like jerks on the court, so people dislike them.

Simple as that.
 
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OhYes said:
Lol but Kyrgios was never booed like Med bcs he did far worse things.
How do you know it isn't nationality ? Are you Russian ? It's like saying black ppl were never treated badly bcs of what they are but bcs of what they did.
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Kyrgios get booed of courts anywhere but Australia - remember him abandoning play in Rome, everybody booed him.

And to your point about Russians, I don't need to be Russian to see whats going on. People love Aslan Karatsev for his positive behavior, he is Russian?
People also support Khachanov, Rublev, they support the russian women like Kasatkina or Pavlyuchenkova.

Usually people just tend to not support people who behave poorly, this also hits other nations or regions - look at Collins on the WTA or Sonego on ATP...
 
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I do get that nationality can be a factor which can impact negatively on a tennis career.
But it did not for Medvedev. $24 million from prize money alone. A slam. No.2. How has his nationality impacted him?
The crowd not liking him is all on who he is as a person.
 
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yourtennisfit said:
Kyrgios get booed of courts anywhere but Australia - remember him abandoning play in Rome, everybody booed him.

And to your point about Russians, I don't need to be Russian to see whats going on. People love Aslan Karatsev for his positive behavior, he is Russian?
People also support Khachanov, Rublev, they support the russian women like Kasatkina or Pavlyuchenkova.

Usually people just tend to not support people who behave poorly, this also hits other nations or regions - look at Collins on the WTA or Sonego on ATP...
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Agreed except that Collins doesn't behave badly. She just has what is called a resting bitc-h face and they take a dislike to that surly expression. Yes, she screams Come On a lot but so does Sweet Emma and nobody has a problem with that (and so did Serena, Masha etc etc).
 
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Spanglish72 said:
When Federer was the King did you ever see fans boo Nadal?

No!

Because Rafa has class and treats everyone with respect.

Medvedev, Djokovic & McEnroe act like jerks on the court, so people dislike them.

Simple as that.
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Don't even start about others showing respect :-D
 
Spanglish72

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Dolgopolov85 said:
Agreed except that Collins doesn't behave badly. She just has what is called a resting bitc-h face and they take a dislike to that surly expression. Yes, she screams Come On a lot but so does Sweet Emma and nobody has a problem with that (and so did Serena, Masha etc etc).
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Collins can be annoying though.

When she's playing lesser opponents the "C'mons!" come a lot more frequently and usually right in the opponents face.

Most fans just don't like jerks period.
 
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Spanglish72 said:
Collins can be annoying though.

When she's playing lesser opponents the "C'mons!" come a lot more frequently and usually right in the opponents face.

Most fans just don't like jerks period.
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That's honestly just an excuse when so many other players yell come ons. It's just her facial expression.
 
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Dolgopolov85 said:
That's honestly just an excuse when so many other players yell come ons. It's just her facial expression.
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Spanglish72 said:
No its the frequency & the way she does it towards her opponent.
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I think the AO were a massive step for Collins, because she focused on her game and not antics.
Last years US hardcourt swing she was constantly screaming right at her opponent to get some reaction from them - that's what I referred to.
 
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Medvedev let the crowd know it was 'low IQ', screamed at an umpire, told the umpire he was stupid and used a euphemism to call him a pus-y and also told another player he was incredibly lucky and boring just at this tournament alone. He took delight in needling the crowd by saying he looked to Novak for inspiration quite deliberately.

As I mentioned when he did these things, he was only going to lose fans for this and it would be on him 110%.

And that's exactly what has happened. I used to like the guy to some extent even though his conflicted nature was clear from the beginning. I gave him the benefit of the doubt several times. But let's be honest; his accusation that a black umpire and black player were colluding 'because black', yawning in another player's face, poor treatment of ball kids and general sh-t stirring...these things all add up.

Now, Medvedev would rather live in a fantasy Cold War drama in his own head than own up to his own actions. I think this latest sob story is absolutely pathetic. Some of the weakest nonsense I've ever heard especially coming from him.

The fact that he's Russian isn't even remotely a problem. The kind of person he has shown himself to be IS.
 
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I don’t think that nationality is a factor why the crowd cheers any particular player. If that was the case, people would not love Rublev so much. It’s just about the behaviour of the player. Daniil is no doubt a very good player but his behaviour like using ‘boring’ word while post match presentations and shouting at umpires, makes audience think that he is not respectful towards others.
 
MrRandom247

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Aussies don’t like a flog.
Medvedev is a flog.
Even Kyrios imo has changed his ways a little, still a show pony, but is clever enough to work the crowd in this Oz Open. Doesn’t take much to get an Oz crowd to like you, they rode a wave of good tennis hitting outhitting joinerymen doubles player, now Kyrios & Kokk have a Slam.
 
NonP

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Thriller said:
They liked Goran, even at Wimbledon, against Tim.
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weakera said:
Ovechkin took home the ESPY (voted by American fans) for best male athlete -- not in the NHL -- but in ALL OF SPORTS:


Just a week removed from celebrating with the Stanley Cup in Moscow, Ovechkin was named Best Male Athlete Wednesday night at the 2018 ESPYs.
The 32-year-old is the first NHL player to win the award since it was first introduced in 1993.
www.nbcsports.com

monumental sports network

www.nbcsports.com www.nbcsports.com


Maybe he is undercover as "Alexander Oswalt?" Surely Americans wouldn't overlook his slavic name?
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I too think the nationality excuse is BS but these aren't convincing counterexamples. For most devotees of team sports local tribalism > nationalism, while Goran was in the middle of his history-making Hollywood run that had the whole town/country abuzz.

A better retort would be to point to Med's own trolling of the crowd and verbal abuse of the officials at this very AO. Don't fly too close to the sun if you can't take the heat!

Aussie Darcy said:
Yep. Throw in Ivanovic and Sharapova, Dimitrov, literally anyone from the Czech Republic.
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All three of them were/are more conventionally attractive than Med. And I don't think Berdych was such fan favorite with his p!ssy attitude, which doesn't jibe with your broad generalization but still undercuts the nationality angle.
 
Thriller

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NonP said:
I too think the nationality excuse is BS but these aren't convincing counterexamples. For most devotees of team sports local tribalism > nationalism, while Goran was in the middle of his history-making Hollywood run that had the whole town/country abuzz.
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You don't think Henman winning Wimbledon for the first time since Fred Perry had kerb appeal? The country was desperate for a Henman win but still respectful to Ivanisevic.
 
MCallanan

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He wants to play the part of the villain but doesn’t want the crowd to act accordingly. You don’t come out match after match, year after year, quite literally taunting crowds across the globe and expect a different reaction than what he has received.

Fans shouldn’t be yelling during points trying to disrupt the players, that’s unacceptable behavior. But if you’re a player of Daniil Medvedev’s stature, and you’re going to act the way you do toward these crowds, you’re going to get this response no matter your nationality.

I find it sad because without the villain act and the constant crapping on officials he has such a unique and entertaining play style. I sit back and watch the extended thirty minutes highlights from his US Open Final with Nadal in 2019 all the time because the quality of tennis was superb. Off the court he can be such an intelligent and endearing person. I feel like the crowds want to like him but the more he taunts them, the more he calls them stupid, and the more he picks fights with officials or berates ball boys, the more the crowds have no option but to rebel against him.
 
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Well said !

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I'm usually a proud Aussie & as a former ballkid at 3 Oz Opens (the last to be held at Kooyong in '87 & the first 2 at the 'new' tennis centre in '88 & '89), I've concurrently seen the massive rise in crowd numbers & the lack of class & etiquette of a huge number of the "fans" who attend the tournament, sadly...I grew up during a time when you never applauded a player's unforced error (unless the point was a phenomenal one by both sides), let alone a double fault & most definitely not a first service fault...but sadly, so much of the crowd now aren't true tennis fans & they're tacky as all Hell...I know that Daniil would never read these comments but I'd love him to know that a great deal of Aussies are truly disgusted with, & embarrassed by the behaviour of so many attendants (certainly not tennis fans) over the past week, in particular. So much for the 'Happy Slam'...
 
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NonP

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Thriller said:
You don't think Henman winning Wimbledon for the first time since Fred Perry had kerb appeal? The country was desperate for a Henman win but still respectful to Ivanisevic.
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Of course it did. Just saying Goran was a charismatic guy who was in the middle of a totally unexpected Cinderella run and it's natural even hungry Brits would be appreciative of that.

IIRC the crowd did boo when he went after the lineswoman for calling a foot fault late in the final, which shows once again sports fans generally just want to have a good time. But you really can't discount the racism/jingoism angle entirely by pointing to select counterexamples. Sociology doesn't quite work like that. Better to argue that bad behavior has its consequences regardless of origin.

WYK said:
Maybe he can get together with Osaka and they can do joint therapy?
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And Biles and Oprah could join in!
 
MrRandom247

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Heard on the grapevine President Putin congratulated Medvedev on a brief joy filled phone call last night, seems Russian government is putting Medvedev up at free luxury winter hotel, called Gulag, Siberia.
 
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yourtennisfit said:
Literally my favourite player of all times is Marat Safin - people love Aslan Karatsev, Grigor Dimitrov etc
It's just your own behavior and how you treat others, not your frickin nationality. All you guys need to grow up and man up to what your idols are doing
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There are countless examples...seles and hingis weren't rude. But seles was stabbed and hingis was booed when she was serving ahead in the 3rd set.

There has been occassions in the past when the crowd was awful and yesterday wasn't any different.

No one deserves to be booed while entering the court playing at the finals of a grandslams.

Medvedev has his bad temper problems but the crowd too isn't a saint. It was not because of Nadal. He was booed even against cressy,Felix.

Defending yesterdays crowd behaviour can only be justified if there is any pre-motivated hatred against Medvedev.
 
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