Medvedev will be first in next gen to become World No 1 but Zverev will be first to end year end No 1 in 2022.

Nadal_King said:
Why not?
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I’ll answer for him and go that while both are close especially Med, Djokovic literally skipped most masters or half arsed it yet he ended #1. Add in that Med off of HC is nothing, he literally has won 1 of the HC slams and made the other final has a masters plus finals and now is in WTF final yet still isn’t #1.
 
DjokoLand said:
I’ll answer for him and go that while both are close especially Med, Djokovic literally skipped most masters or half arsed it yet he ended #1. Add in that Med off of HC is nothing, he literally has won 1 of the HC slams and made the other final has a masters plus finals and now is in WTF final yet still isn’t #1.
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Which part of mine you disagree, meddy reaching no 1 or Zverev as no 1 year end next year?
 
Zverev will be number 1 this time next year. Don't think Novak going to be able to defend all these slam points and Medvedev is generally AWOL in the clay season, where Zverev is pretty good.
 
Let’s wait to weigh in until after tomorrow’s match. Whoever wins tomorrow will have the edge going into 2022.
 
Clay points arent that important. And Med is not that bad. He beat Garin at this year RG, before loosing to Tsitsi. You guys are asuming he is not gonna improve, same like 13yrs ago, everyone said Nadal will never win USO. Med will rule tennis world in coming years. He is so far from anyone on HC, and even thou Zed and Tsitsi are better than him on clay, he will close the gap enough to remain on top for long. If he wins tomorow, he is getting No1 before clay season.
 
Nadal_King said:
Zverev has got better with each match thus year and I think he will peak in 2022. He is the best all court player perhaps since Big 3 and he wins a slam atleast next year and his all court game will ensure he becomes year end no 1 next year.
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I don't agree, but it's a very interesting possibility. The problem for Zed is that he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in a Slam, and the number of Slam contenders is arguably growing not shrinking.
 
Zverev is the most likely to get the most points off hardcourt (while still being a top 4 hardcourter) so it's quite possible.

RG/Wimbledon will become the distinguishing factor for this generation. They're all comfortable and consistent on hardcourt. Who's going to be first guy to get big points on both clay and grass--that person will become number 1.
 
Aabye5 said:
I don't agree, but it's a very interesting possibility. The problem for Zed is that he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in a Slam, and the number of Slam contenders is arguably growing not shrinking.
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The problem for Zed is he was near his peak at 19 and while he has got better there isn’t much more potential in him. Med is obviously the player that will be #1
 
One said:
Clay points arent that important. And Med is not that bad. He beat Garin at this year RG, before loosing to Tsitsi. You guys are asuming he is not gonna improve, same like 13yrs ago, everyone said Nadal will never win USO. Med will rule tennis world in coming years. He is so far from anyone on HC, and even thou Zed and Tsitsi are better than him on clay, he will close the gap enough to remain on top for long. If he wins tomorow, he is getting No1 before clay season.
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Well apart from the guy currently above him. And the one just behind him ain't that far off either.
 
DjokoLand said:
The problem for Zed is he was near his peak at 19 and while he has got better there isn’t much more potential in him. Med is obviously the player that will be #1
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Did Zed play better today or in some match at 19? I don't feel that strongly on this to argue.

As far as Med getting number 1...today it seems obvious that he will get to no. 1 and it would hardly be surprising if he is there at the end of the year. In some ways, next year will be easier for him. He has now won his first Slam title and he has beaten Nole to do it. There will also be more opportunities during the later half of the year to pick up points.

On the other hand, Djokovic hasn't disappeared, we don't know yet how well Rafa will play, Zed and Stef are still in the mix, and he has to defend at final and title. Unlike the big 3, if he falls short at the AO (unlikely), I'm not yet convinced that he can make up those points at RG or Wimby.
 
I also think that Zverev will sooner or later will be N°1, however, and most importantly, he must start beating Top-10s in majors if we want to keep the debate.
 
James P said:
It really wouldn't make sense that Medvedev would reach #1 and then Zverev would take it from him late in the season when Med performs at his best.
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It could happen, although I don't think it's likely. If Zed makes the final of the USO having outperformed Med in the middle of the season, all bets are off.
 
Medvedev will always fall short in the rankings because he's not an all-surface player, and his game doesn't indicate that he ever will be.
Zverev looks like he's headed toward being an all-surface player (probably needs to do more at Wimbledon, but his game suits grass).
Medvedev dominates hardcourt enough just to get close to #1, but Zverev has a greater chance of absolutely dominating tennis.
 
NADALalot said:
Medvedev will always fall short in the rankings because he's not an all-surface player, and his game doesn't indicate that he ever will be.
Zverev looks like he's headed toward being an all-surface player (probably needs to do more at Wimbledon, but his game suits grass).
Medvedev dominates hardcourt enough just to get close to #1, but Zverev has a greater chance of absolutely dominating tennis.
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Zed has yet to win against a top 10 opponent at a Slam so it's hardly a foregone conclusion. But you are right that Med doesn't seem to transition as well between surfaces.
 
wangs78 said:
Let’s wait to weigh in until after tomorrow’s match. Whoever wins tomorrow will have the edge going into 2022.
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I would bet on the one who has won the last 5 meetings in the rivalry and hasn’t lost in 2-1/2 years, and not the one who won 5 of the first 6.
 
Nadal_King said:
He is the best all court player perhaps since Big 3
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Pretty pathetic since the best Zverev has managed at Wimbledon is the fourth round. His grass game is nothing special, despite beating Fed in Halle in 2016 as a kid and having a world class first serve. The only true all court player currently playing is Djokovic. He can play on HC, clay, grass, fast, slow or probably even ice or glass. None of the next gen can play on grass (please no one mention Berrettini), Med is terrible on clay, etc.
 
BeatlesFan said:
Pretty pathetic since the best Zverev has managed at Wimbledon is the fourth round. His grass game is nothing special, despite beating Fed in Halle in 2016 as a kid and having a world class first serve. The only true all court player currently playing is Djokovic. He can play on HC, clay, grass, fast, slow or probably even ice or glass. None of the next gen can play on grass (please no one mention Berrettini), Med is terrible on clay, etc.
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Hubert Hurkacz is the man you're looking for
 
I don’t know who will be no.1 but I know for sure, our new big 3 are Djokovic, Medvedev and Zverev. I think this will be the case until at least end of 2022.
 
Aabye5 said:
I don't agree, but it's a very interesting possibility. The problem for Zed is that he hasn't beaten a top 10 player in a Slam, and the number of Slam contenders is arguably growing not shrinking.
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Those statistics are meaningless. He didn’t beat a top 10 at a slam, but did he beat a top 10 outside of slams? What about no.11? Did he beat one? If yes, what if no.11 becomes no.10? Would he suddenly be unable to beat him?
 
Med is better in HC slams. Z is better on clay. Not much to chose b/w them in non-slam HC events or grass.
 
Arak said:
Those statistics are meaningless. He didn’t beat a top 10 at a slam, but did he beat a top 10 outside of slams? What about no.11? Did he beat one? If yes, what if no.11 becomes no.10? Would he suddenly be unable to beat him?
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On the one hand, I agree. I mentioned in another thread that if he meets Sinner or Ruud, he'll probably win.

On the other hand, these other players are getting closer, not further away. For example, Sinner and Berrrettini both have wins against him on clay. That could be a factor if they play at RG.

Of course, he could end up facing Rublev at the '22 AO and getting that elusive first top 10 victory. With a 5-0 record, it is inevitable, right?
 
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Aabye5 said:
On the one hand, I agree. I mentioned in another thread that if he meets Sinner or Ruud, he'll probably win.

On the other hand, these other players are getting closer, not further away. For example, Sinner and Berrrettini both have wins against him on clay. That could be a factor if they play at RG.

Of course, he could end up facing Rublev at the '22 AO and getting that elusive first top 10 victory. With a 5-0 record, it is inevitable, right?
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It was Alcaraz that was the “bunny” original top 10 slam scalp. Of course, when these predictions were made it was still a long time before Tiny Bubbles reached fermentation with his wins at Miami and Madrid getting him to that level.
 
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