Medvevev USO 2021 vs Del Potro USO 2009

Who wins?

  • Medvedev 2021

    Votes: 22 25.3%
  • Del Potro 2009

    Votes: 65 74.7%

  • Total voters
    87

guga_fan

Semi-Pro
I agree , Djokovic wasn't at his best .
But that would be like taking away credit from Medvedev .
Meddy has been the most consistent Harcourt player at slams among the young Gen .
It was just a matter of time before he won a hardcourt slam .

Since Australian Open 2019-USO 2021 , he has only lost to either eventual champion or former champion on Hardcourt slams .
Yeah, Medvedev is definitely the 2nd best HC since 2019, this is very hard to argue. Even if Djokovic declines a lot, the HC field should be great for the next couple of years, with Zverev, Tsitsi, Med, Thiem, Sinner, and Alcaraz.

The only big problem for Medvedev is that among the next gen he seems to be the worst at dealing with Fed and Nadal's games. But they might not be much of a factor from now on.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Del Potro is two different players with or without his backhand.

Medvedev to me looked incredibly strong, and seemed to have an extra gear he didn't even need.

Del Potro's title was largely due to a weak minded Federer. As was Medvedev's, to be fair. Novak was not there.

Medvedev in 5 over an exhausted Tower.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Del Potro is two different players with or without his backhand.

Medvedev to me looked incredibly strong, and seemed to have an extra gear he didn't even need.

Del Potro's title was largely due to a weak minded Federer. As was Medvedev's, to be fair. Novak was not there.

Medvedev in 5 over an exhausted Tower.
what exhausted tower. Delpo played his best tennis in the 5th set vs Fed.
Med's record in 5th set is a poor 2-7
Delpo's is 8-9.

fed of USO 09 final and djokovic of USO 21 final are 2 completely different animals. Big difference, even if fed was sloppy.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
what exhausted tower. Delpo played his best tennis in the 5th set vs Fed.
Med's record in 5th set is a poor 2-7
Delpo's is 8-9.

fed of USO 09 final and djokovic of USO 21 final are 2 completely different animals. Big difference, even if fed was sloppy.
Now that you put it that way...
 

Mivic

Semi-Pro
Obviously Delpo lol. Medvedev might be able to take advantage of some early nerves and ride out a set (or two if he's lucky) with his servebotting but at the end of the day once Delpo finds his A game its not really much of a contest between the two of them. Medvedev really struggles against guys who are actually capable of bringing heat off the ground. Watch his matches against old Fed. Once peak Delpo finds his range and rhythm and gets a feel for Medvedev's ball he blows him off the court.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
People voting for Delpo what does he have over Med except for his forehand? Med serves better, can return well, has a much better backhand than delpo which he can hit cross court to Delpo's backhand all day. Agreed that Delpo beat a superior opponent in Fed but matchup wise, Med is terrible for Del Potro
For me Delpo is better player than Med but in that final he was bad for 3 and half set, match should have ended in 4 if not in three.
In second set I think Delpo did lot of error.
So I am basing my assumpton the point, if Med wins first two set , he wins the match but yeah if match went to five Delpo is winning it
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
I'd say Delpo but Med's serving would keep the match somewhat close. Don't know how close though.
Fed some how lost 2 set after serving for it and lost fourth also.
I just don't think Med is losing second set if Delpo brought the same first three set performance
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
Nah, I'd still take Zombievak over those two mugs, easily.

I don't think Med's gonna become a dominant slam winner now and I do consider his 2019 USO very much overrated (by Nadal fans, predictably) but this tourney? Yeah, I think he legit played great slam winning worthy tennis, sue me.

There's no question that he played solid enough to get the tite, we agree there, but did you see how Joe looked? It was awful. It was a combination of shankerer, breakpointerer and Errani.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Medvedev’s strategy of giving pace less shots would have been futile against 2009 Delpo who would just tee off on those with nuclear forehands. No doubt Delpo would struggle with Med’s serve but once the point starts I don’t see a lot of parts of the matchup that go in his favor. It’s not the same as Murray who had a very good slice and was good at the net and also had the mechanics to vary his amount of spin. I firmly believe if Delpo didn’t get hurt he was on his way to a big 3 tier career. Unbelievable talent
 

augustobt

Legend
Glad to see the results.

Medvedev had some kind of a cakewalk draw and Novak played below sub-par on the Final (nerves!). Del Potro 6-2 6-2 6-2 and the way he played that Final...
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Honestly this is hard to judge.

There could be an illusion that Medvedev played better, because he beat a crapola Djokovic while Del Potro barely beat a well-playing prime Fed. Then there is the match-up question. Maybe Del Potro would play even better knowing Medvedev is on the other side of the net instead of Federer?
 
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Amen786

Semi-Pro
Del Potro hasn't even won a single set against Novak djokovic in 3 matches at USO ,whereas Medvedev beat him in 3 sets ..

Medvedev's Serve was too much superior and wouldn't be able to be broken by most ( if not Djokovic ) .

Also Meddy seems mentally stronger than Delpo , look how brilliantly Meddy dealt with the disrespectful crowd and still came out trumps .

So my opinion is Medvedev wins .

But I can totally understand if people think Delpo will win .
This is a hypothetical scenario .
So ,noone knows what would happen .
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Del Potro hasn't even won a single set against Novak djokovic in 3 matches at USO ,whereas Medvedev beat him in 3 sets ..

Medvedev's Serve was too much superior and wouldn't be able to be broken by most ( if not Djokovic ) .

Also Meddy seems mentally stronger than Delpo , look how brilliantly Meddy dealt with the disrespectful crowd and still came out trumps .

So my opinion is Medvedev wins .

But I can totally understand if people think Delpo will win .
This is a hypothetical scenario .
So ,noone knows what would happen .
Delpo would've won too if Novak had shown up this flat.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Medvedev’s strategy of giving pace less shots would have been futile against 2009 Delpo who would just tee off on those with nuclear forehands. No doubt Delpo would struggle with Med’s serve but once the point starts I don’t see a lot of parts of the matchup that go in his favor. It’s not the same as Murray who had a very good slice and was good at the net and also had the mechanics to vary his amount of spin. I firmly believe if Delpo didn’t get hurt he was on his way to a big 3 tier career. Unbelievable talent
Not a Big 3 level talent at all. That's overrating him.

But a Stan or even Murray like career would have been possible, yes.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Mededev easily. Remember Roger won the first set at the 2009 USO and was 2 points away from the second set until he imploded because JMDP challenged a line call very late and the chair allowed it. Had Del Po not challenged the call, Fed almost surely would have won in straight sets.

Medvedev had no periods of poor play against Djokovic, unless we reference him choking while serving for it at 5-2. He served magnificently, had great tactics and played at a high level throughout. Del Po was up and down until the fifth set.
 

Pheasant

Hall of Fame
2009 USO Delpo was on a serious run that year. Granted, Nadal wasn't at his best. But Nadal made it to the semis after shredding Gonzalez in straight sets, including a bagel in the final set. Delpo then holds Nadal to 6 games. Nobody does that, even against a rusty Nadal, unless he's on fire. He then took out the 5-time defending champion Federer.

I'm talking Delpo in 4 sets. As I said in another thread, sometimes a very good player has lightning in a bottle. This was Delpo's one tourney to really step up, similar to Noah at the 1983 FO and Pat Cash at 1987 WI. Cilic at the 2014 USO is another example.
 

Mivic

Semi-Pro
Mededev easily. Remember Roger won the first set at the 2009 USO and was 2 points away from the second set until he imploded because JMDP challenged a line call very late and the chair allowed it. Had Del Po not challenged the call, Fed almost surely would have won in straight sets.

Medvedev had no periods of poor play against Djokovic, unless we reference him choking while serving for it at 5-2. He served magnificently, had great tactics and played at a high level throughout. Del Po was up and down until the fifth set.
Easy not to have any periods of poor play when you're up against a nervous, tired and consequently lacklustre opponent versus a GOAT level player in his prime years.
 

tudwell

Legend
Not sure how these two would match up. Medvedev's flat-but-consistent strokes would make it harder for Delpo to tee off with his flat-but-aggressive strokes, and Med has both a superior serve and superior return. But on the other hand, Delpo was probably at a higher level in 09 than Medvedev was this year and beat much stiffer competition. I'd lean Delpo on form but Med might hold the advantage in the match-up.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
Who wins?

I don't think anyone can now argue that Medvedev has surpassed all of Delpo's career achievements already (if anyone can still argue feel free to). But who wins when considering the hypothetical match up of their only slam victories till date?
They both narrowly prevented a (N)CYGS
 

-snake-

Hall of Fame
You are this close to finally realising Federer's superiority :D
Ha, I like Joe but I admit Fedr has more tennis mojo than anyone else. Only the blind Nadalovic believers think Roger is some sort of MUG who won all his throphies thanks to rigged draws and lucky shots (?).
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Not a Big 3 level talent at all. That's overrating him.

But a Stan or even Murray like career would have been possible, yes.
Absolutely not overrating him. Even with no backhand and constantly interrupted training, he changed history by completely wearing big 3 members down or knocking them out of draws at critical moments. Everyone else who had an 18/19 year old record like he did went on to become world #1. He underachieved due to injury.
 

Fedeonic

Hall of Fame
exactly. I don't think 2nd set from delpo was better than 1st set. Just that he held his nerve towards the end and fed was significantly worse enabling him to grab it.
I'd really like to rewatch that match, but somehow it still irks me how in the hell did Roger lost that match, not a match that I ended crying, but the one that I'm the most upset of all matches, even to this day.
I always had the sensation that Fed is too generous when playing against Juan, Rog starts clowning and FH-FH-ing, chokes leads, and then gives the matches in a plate to Delpo. I'd like your input.
 

Fedeonic

Hall of Fame
I prefer Medvedev by far against Del Potro, but I voted for Juan because he's much more consistent at hitting off his groundstrokes, and Daniil can get easily upset at the minimum disturbance and he'll start leaking error after error, Delpo is much more linear on the mental side.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I'd really like to rewatch that match, but somehow it still irks me how in the hell did Roger lost that match, not a match that I ended crying, but the one that I'm the most upset of all matches, even to this day.
I always had the sensation that Fed is too generous when playing against Juan, Rog starts clowning and FH-FH-ing, chokes leads, and then gives the matches in a plate to Delpo. I'd like your input.
I was pissed off at that time, but considering that has been JMDP's only slam, I've made my peace with it.
 

Patogen

Rookie
Nadal 09 got obliterated by delpo at USO, pal.
Exactly!

Let's ignore Nadal was not at his best for the sake of pointing out that it must have been clear to anyone who understands the game that the 09, "barely just make it thru Haas at RG and standing on the right side of the court so the sun shines into Mr. Andy's eyes at Wimbledon" version of Roger was gonna get punished against the jackhammer FH monster that squashed Rafa in the semis so bad the notoriously relentless Spaniard looked resigned midway through the second set.

How did any reasonable Fed fan expect their ex-sharp, now sloppy and complacent no BH "maestro" to stop the hungry behemoth? Because of the tweener in the semis against nonchalant Novak? Or because of nice clothes?

How fitting that would be.

The only reason I didn't put money on Juan after Nadal's demolition was the fact the H2H (he was 2-4 against Nadal, but had won the last two heading into the semis; 0-6 against Fed) would play a huge psychological role for a twenty year old first time major finalist. But I knew that if he loosens up, Fed is doomed.

This was absolutely not in Roger's hands, never mind the one sided first set. This was in DelPo's head.

Nadal was up 2 sets and a break, yet somehow he was the one in a tricky situation? How did it even come to him nearly losing?
By Medvedev's level suddenly shooting up and playing that sort of game he didn't have to bring against Novak, which is precisely what made me remember it and what made me think that version of Daniil would be better to compare with DelPo 09. Baptism by fire is over, welcome to the debate son.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Exactly!

Let's ignore Nadal was not at his best for the sake of pointing out that it must have been clear to anyone who understands the game that the 09, "barely just make it thru Haas at RG and standing on the right side of the court so the sun shines into Mr. Andy's eyes at Wimbledon" version of Roger was gonna get punished against the jackhammer FH monster that squashed Rafa in the semis so bad the notoriously relentless Spaniard looked resigned midway through the second set.

How did any reasonable Fed fan expect their ex-sharp, now sloppy and complacent no BH "maestro" to stop the hungry behemoth? Because of the tweener in the semis against nonchalant Novak? Or because of nice clothes?

How fitting that would be.

The only reason I didn't put money on Juan after Nadal's demolition was the fact the H2H (he was 2-4 against Nadal, but had won the last two heading into the semis; 0-6 against Fed) would play a huge psychological role for a twenty year old first time major finalist. But I knew that if he loosens up, Fed is doomed.

This was absolutely not in Roger's hands, never mind the one sided first set. This was in DelPo's head.
Delpo played just as well at RG 09 as he did vs Nadal at 09 USO semi. Fed still beat him in RG 09 semi.
At the USO, Fed was sharp vs Soderling in the QF and vs Djoko in the semi. which you would know if you actually watched the matches instead of just a couple of shots like the tweener.
no BH fed? LMAO. happlessly clueless djokobot says what? fed;s BH was working perfectly well at that USO.

fed vs delpo on HC: 13-7
nadal vs delpo on HC: 5-5

significant difference in their respective h2hs vs delpo on HC.

Re: FO 2009, I already said this:

fed had a nervous match vs Haas because of pressure coming onto him after nadal was eliminated. He played damn well vs Monfils, GOATed vs Soderling in the final and played well enough vs delpo in the semi. The fact that federer beat that red-hot delpo says a lot. Djoko hasn't beaten anyone at RG playing at that level (no, Nadal RG 21 semi isn't. Laughably delusional to think he is)
But you are a Djoko obssessed guy who probably didn't watch much tennis before 2011, so.
But seems like your tubelight head did not register or you don't want to acknowledge.

Roddick in Wim 09 final played better than Delpo in USO 09 final. Fed still beat Roddick of Wim 09 final because he was clearly better there than in USO 09 final.

but keep going if you want to continue to show your utter ignorance and make more of a fool of yourself, djokobot.
 
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zagor

Bionic Poster
Med was solid in the final, but he wasn't tested to a great extent either (in the final or in the tournament for that matter). delpo overcame 3 different kinda players in the QF/SF/F of USO 09 (Cilic/Nadal/Fed). I can't see Med as favorite at all. Sorry, not even close.
I don't know man, some of the serving he displayed (especially with going for so much off the 2nd serve) and some of the east-west rallies he won against Novak. He was more than mere solid to me, I don't think you can win a slam with just one set dropped merely by playing solid tennis, no matter the field.

I can agree that Delpo was more in the zone and faced tougher opposition though.

Delpo serves clearly better than Thiem and returns significantly better.
Yes, but he hits a flat ball Med can counter-punch. Thiem was the heaviest hitter tour, beating even Nadal in RPMs off both wings.
 

T007

Professional
Daniil 2019 against DelPo 09 would be a more fitting comparison. Similar plots, albeit different results. The green one is cold, the champ makes it look easy, then the green one goes red hot once they realize they have nothing to lose.

Hard to fit this year in. Daniil went sharp and steady against a snakebitten champ who had some sort of struggle going on. We don't know how well he was capable of playing on that night because Novak hardly pushed him to his limits. If anything, the crowd pushed him somewhat.

DelPo on the other hand was the snakebitten one for almost two sets of that final. Once he loosened up, Fed was lost. I knew that if DelPo plays the way he did against Nadal in the semis, Roger will get beaten baad.

I believe the 09 final is the one Fed fans are in denial about. Federer overachieved that year, his stock was inflated and people acted as if the good times were back. They were not. Anyone who understands the game knew that Roger's ability was a far cry from 2006, and that DelPo was definitely capable of beating him on skill and power alone, but the true fight would be carried out in the head. Once he got that sorted, he sorted annoyed Roger as well. It's absolutely not that Roger allowed him to do anything. He allowed himself.
A cool and level headed federer would have beaten Delpo easily in 3 sets.

Now coming back to the question. I think Delpo 2009 would beat Med 2021 in 4 sets.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
I don't know man, some of the serving he displayed (especially with going for so much off the 2nd serve) and some of the east-west rallies he won against Novak. He was more than mere solid to me, I don't think you can win a slam with just one set dropped merely by playing solid tennis, no matter the field.

I can agree that Delpo was more in the zone and faced tougher opposition though.
I meant solid game wise and mentally in the final.

Yes, delpo did face significantly tougher competition, but my point was that he faced 3 different kinds of players in QF-F (Cilic, Nadal and Fed) and overcame them all. Don't see that extra special in Med to become the favorite or that annoying to delpo.

Yes, but he hits a flat ball Med can counter-punch. Thiem was the heaviest hitter tour, beating even Nadal in RPMs off both wings.
not for long though unlike Djokovic/Murray/Hewitt who have proven they can do it relentlessly all day long.
 
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