Men should be limited to three-set tennis at Grand Slams, says Heather Watson

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JRAJ1988

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https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/men-limited-three-set-tennis-131000435.html - (This thread will be taken down as soon as you can say "best of 3" if heated arguments arise, so try to keep it civil)

The British No 2 says she would like it to be “fair and the same” for men, who play best of five sets, and women, who play best of three, at Grand Slam tournaments.

“I would be really interested to see the men’s point of view and whether they actually want to play to five sets,” Watson told the Standard.

“It changes the dynamic of the game a lot and I feel like more recently, because the weather conditions are really tough in some of these Grand Slams, like Australia and New York, it gets really hot and you see far more retirements in the matches.

“To play five sets in those conditions is so, so physically tough for them. I would love it to be fair and the same.

“Just like with on-court coaching — the women have on-court coaching, but the men don’t. I don’t like that. If the men aren’t allowed to have it, I don’t want it either. I just want it to be the same for both. I don’t know why it should be different.”

Men play best of five sets at the four Grand Slam events — Wimbledon and the Australian, French and US Opens — as well as the Davis Cup. All other tournaments are best of three.

Watson was speaking ahead of the release of Battle Of The Sexes, a bigscreen dramatisation of the 1973 match between Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs. Riggs, then 55, a former world No 1, had claimed that he could still beat any female player but lost to King, then 29, against the backdrop of a debate about the difference in prize money for male and female players.

Wimbledon became the last Grand Slam tournament to offer equal money to male and female champions in 2007.

Watson defended its huge rewards — £2.2 million last year — saying: “On the money front, tennis is a lot tougher than people think it is. We have to pay for everything: our coach’s wage, our flights around the world, our hotels every single week. We may be earning a certain amount, but most of it goes back out.

“In sports, usually your team pays for your travel, your food — you don’t have to worry about anything apart from showing up and competing. So it’s a very expensive sport to play.”
Watson, a former British No 1, slipped down the rankings after contracting glandular fever in 2013. She won the Wimbledon mixed doubles title last year and is now back at No 2, behind Johanna Konta. She said she had made huge sacrifices in her life, having begun her career by joining the Nick Bollettieri Tennis Academy in Florida aged 12.

“Doing tennis professionally I have missed out on a lot of stuff that my friends do with at this age — going out with each other and having a good time,” she said.

“I don’t have a lot of time to socialise. That’s a big sacrifice. Even just seeing my friends and family is something I’ve missed out on so much.”

Despite having many years left as a professional, she has thought about her post-tennis career and could follow in the footsteps of former footballer Dion Dublin, who has joined BBC1 property show Homes Under The Hammer. She said: “Renovating and flipping properties is something I am very interested in and something I would like to get into.”
 

MichaelNadal

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Krish872007

Talk Tennis Guru
Not yet.
Thougj if we don't get any new Slam winners at all for the next 2-3 years, then I might change my position.
 

boredone3456

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So she wants everyone to play the same amount of tennis at the majors and doesn't want women to have on court coaching seeing it as unfair? This is a problem statement why? oh wait people don't like the idea of men playing less tennis...ok got it.

Oh and if women played best of 5 how many complaints would we have to suffer about them playing longer matches? a billion.
 

AtomicForehand

Hall of Fame
This is why I never come around to this freaking sausagefest anymore. Bunch of typical TT douchey sexism on this thread. Can't you troglodytes evaluate what a person says irrespective of his/her gender? This is a person who loves and plays the same sport you do (and is way better at it than your sorry asses are). A little respect, please. She raises some interesting points that are worthy of civilized discussion.
 

ohiostate124

Professional
Sounds to me like Heather Watson knows the equal pay for equal work argument in tennis is ******** and she doesn’t want to play best of 5.
 

Red Rick

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I consider myself a rational individual in just about any case. The thought of Bo3 in Grand Slams makes me considerably homocidal
 

Steve0904

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This is why I never come around to this freaking sausagefest anymore. Bunch of typical TT douchey sexism on this thread. Can't you troglodytes evaluate what a person says irrespective of his/her gender? This is a person who loves and plays the same sport you do (and is way better at it than your sorry asses are). A little respect, please. She raises some interesting points that are worthy of civilized discussion.

Ok. Let's have a civilized discussion. I say I don't like BO3 at the slams for men because it's always been BO5 for them, and it's always been the "true test" so to speak. Dumbing men's grand slams down to BO3 devalues everything related to the slams. It will devalue the significance of the next guy that dominates the game, to a huge extent if he only has to play BO3 at GS, IMO.

She's perhaps right that they should be asked if they want to play BO3. If they vote in favour then that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't like it, but I can't overrule the players. But if they want to continue playing BO5 then that's their choice too. I like that she doesn't think the women need on court coaching, but personally I can't agree that men should have to play BO3 (unless they vote for it themselves). It just screws with the very fabric of tennis as we know it. I would probably stop watching tennis. That's how important slams being BO5 is to me.
 

AtomicForehand

Hall of Fame
Ok. Let's have a civilized discussion. I say I don't like BO3 at the slams for men because it's always been BO5 for them, and it's always been the "true test" so to speak. Dumbing men's grand slams down to BO3 devalues everything related to the slams. It will devalue the significance of the next guy that dominates the game, to a huge extent if he only has to play BO3 at GS, IMO.

She's perhaps right that they should be asked if they want to play BO3. If they vote in favour then that's perfectly fine. I wouldn't like it, but I can't overrule the players. But if they want to continue playing BO5 then that's their choice too. I like that she doesn't think the women need on court coaching, but personally I can't agree that men should have to play BO3 (unless they vote for it themselves).

Women don't "need" on-court coaching any more than the men do. Some of the women disdain it and don't use it (i.e. the Williams sisters). The headset coaching trialed at the NextGen finals was very popular even though it was men receiving it. Again, can you stop with the sexism?
 

r2473

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This is why I never come around to this freaking sausagefest anymore. Bunch of typical TT douchey sexism on this thread. Can't you troglodytes evaluate what a person says irrespective of his/her gender? This is a person who loves and plays the same sport you do (and is way better at it than your sorry asses are). A little respect, please. She raises some interesting points that are worthy of civilized discussion.
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Steve0904

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Women don't "need" on-court coaching any more than the men do. Some of the women disdain it and don't use it (i.e. the Williams sisters). The headset coaching trialed at the NextGen finals was very popular even though it was men receiving it. Again, can you stop with the sexism?

I never said they did. I also don't like that particular rule for men. Maybe calm down first and stop accusing me of things I didn't say/imply?

My previous post says "I LIKE!!! the fact that she thinks the women don't need on court coaching. I AGREE WITH HER!!!
 

Phoenix1983

G.O.A.T.
I'd prefer it if the women played best of 5 (at least in the later stages of slams).

Thank lord the men's slams and Davis Cup are best of 5. Separates the men from the boys, the greats from the also-rans, etc.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
I don't think this would go over well either. Too many backed up matches overall IMO. You'd probably have to extend the slams past 2 weeks.

You would have to add another week to each major most likely (making them about a month long each when you then add in qualifying rounds). As it is they struggle with weather related delays. Make the women play best of five you'd have to change the entire tour schedule of both tours to accommodate it.
 

FrontHeadlock

Hall of Fame
To be fair, if she really wanted everything to be the same she'd be advocating for one single tour, may the best player win.

That is, of course, true tennis equality.
 
I'm sure it should be up to the players, but I myself wouldn't want slams slashed down to Bo3 for the men. To me the stamina aspect is important in who will win a match (will the most fit win). I also don't think women should change to Bo5. My opinion is leave it all as is.
 

Silent

Professional
I prefer Best of 5.

But, up until 2007, most Masters Series finals were Best of 5...I don't really see anyone devaluing Masters 1000 events...

At the very least, there should be a tie-break in the 5th set in every slam event. Playing 40+ games in the 5th set is pointless, the winner of which has zero chance of winning the next match, if he shows up at all.
 

Bobby Jr

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Oh and if women played best of 5 how many complaints would we have to suffer about them playing longer matches? a billion.
The issue would not be their suffering for having to play 5-set matches. It's our suffering or having to watch them that is the true issue - and the sport knows it too.
 
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JRAJ1988

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This is why I never come around to this freaking sausagefest anymore. Bunch of typical TT douchey sexism on this thread. Can't you troglodytes evaluate what a person says irrespective of his/her gender? This is a person who loves and plays the same sport you do (and is way better at it than your sorry asses are). A little respect, please. She raises some interesting points that are worthy of civilized discussion.

I tried to warn to keep this thread civil. The Mods will delete this thread in due course and that's the way the cookie crumbles.
 

Bobby Jr

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...She raises some interesting points that are worthy of civilized discussion.
Does she though? She raises a couple of points which get discussed every year in the media and commented on by people who seem to have a lot better perspective and insight into the game than she showed here. She offered no interesting reasons or insights into her views on the scoring/process of the matches.

She basically said:
- men should play shorter at majors, ask them what they think.
- tennis is difficult with different challenges than for team sports.
- I'm tough, I don't need on-court coaching and so think we should be like the men and not have it.
 

AtomicForehand

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Does she though? She raises a couple of points which get discussed every year in the media and commented on by people who seem to have a lot better perspective and insight into the game than she showed here. She offered no interesting reasons or insights into her views on the scoring/process of the matches.

She basically said:
- men should play shorter at majors, ask them what they think.
- tennis is difficult with different challenges than for team sports.
- I'm tough, I don't need on-court coaching and so think we should be like the men and not have it.

So...let's look at those issues.

1) What do YOU think most of the male players would say if asked? I've seen lots of interview quotes where they say best of five is too much. Also lots of quotes from the women saying they're willing to play best of five. So...it goes both ways.

2) What?

3) Quite a lot of people think it doesn't look good for women to have their (always male) coaches publicly advising them while the men have no such thing. I happen to agree with her--either have both sexes being coached, or neither. The headset coaching at the NextGen finals was actually cool, and a lot more fun than having the on-court coaching as it currently stands with the WTA.
 

boredone3456

G.O.A.T.
The issue would not be their suffering for having to play 5-set matches. It's our suffering or having to watch them that is the true issue - and the sport knows it too.

Thats what i was referring to..the fact that more than half the people who want them to play the best of 5 would be complaining if they were, so best to just leave it alone and get over it
 
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