Mens team indoors Seattle

I guess that the draw will be done on Tuesday


the 16 indoor teams are:


(using last week rankings)

top 7 seeds are pretty straight forward. Who does everything...will be the 8 seed....?
I really have a hard time seeing Georgia as an 8 seed. They have lost to Wake Forest (Wake Forest then lost very routinely to the gamecocks). Georgia really struggled against NC State and Georgia Tech. I can not see seeding them ahead of Wake Forest or South Carolina.
I can't see Wake as an 8 seed. After yesterday's loss in Chapel Hill, I can't see South Carolina as an 8 seed
Could Kentucky or Southern Cal be the 8 and 9 teams? They each have a loss to a strong team.
Texas A&M might be undefeated but they struggled with South Florida. They just don't have the depth at the top of the lineup.

As always, health will play a key. Will Martim Prata play this weekend for Tennessee? What is going on with Bar Botzer and Gianni Ross at Virginia? Is Jake Beasley at South Carolina healthy? Matias Siimar has missed a few matches for Florida. How healthy is Eliot Spizziri? I would not want to play Texas in the round of 16 if Spizziri is healthy. When Will Stanford have Tristan Boyer back in the lineup?


#1 Ohio State
#2 Tennessee ...
#3 Baylor
#4 TCU
#5 Florida
#6 Wake Forest.....they will drop out of top 8 after being beaten soundly by #13 South Carolina
#7 Virginia
#8 Stanford......
#9 Georgia
#10 Kentucky
#11 Southern Cal
#12 Texas A&M
#13 South Carolina - they were all set for a #8 seed before losing to #23 North Carolina
#14 Texas
#15 Ole Miss
host Washington.........
 
I guess that the draw will be done on Tuesday


the 16 indoor teams are:


(using last week rankings)

top 7 seeds are pretty straight forward. Who does everything...will be the 8 seed....?
I really have a hard time seeing Georgia as an 8 seed. They have lost to Wake Forest (Wake Forest then lost very routinely to the gamecocks). Georgia really struggled against NC State and Georgia Tech. I can not see seeding them ahead of Wake Forest or South Carolina.
I can't see Wake as an 8 seed. After yesterday's loss in Chapel Hill, I can't see South Carolina as an 8 seed
Could Kentucky or Southern Cal be the 8 and 9 teams? They each have a loss to a strong team.
Texas A&M might be undefeated but they struggled with South Florida. They just don't have the depth at the top of the lineup.

As always, health will play a key. Will Martim Prata play this weekend for Tennessee? What is going on with Bar Botzer and Gianni Ross at Virginia? Is Jake Beasley at South Carolina healthy? Matias Siimar has missed a few matches for Florida. How healthy is Eliot Spizziri? I would not want to play Texas in the round of 16 if Spizziri is healthy. When Will Stanford have Tristan Boyer back in the lineup?


#1 Ohio State
#2 Tennessee ...
#3 Baylor
#4 TCU
#5 Florida
#6 Wake Forest.....they will drop out of top 8 after being beaten soundly by #13 South Carolina
#7 Virginia
#8 Stanford......
#9 Georgia
#10 Kentucky
#11 Southern Cal
#12 Texas A&M
#13 South Carolina - they were all set for a #8 seed before losing to #23 North Carolina
#14 Texas
#15 Ole Miss
host Washington.........

My take:

Top 5 is set, though the order could change. Ohio State appears to be a lock at 1, while Tennessee could get bumped down a spot or two with their close win over Columbia at home.

Have to imagine Stanford moves up to 6 with their unblemished record.

It'll be interesting on where Wake/UVA slots as both came away with two L's, though UVA put up a significantly better fight. Is it possible Georgia moves to 7 by virtue of not losing or does Wake stay ahead based on the H2H? Also how far does Virginia fall as it appears they aren't 100%. I can see UGA passing them and possibly Southern Cal as well
 

armchair

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From what I hear, no Bicknell or Prata this week

I think Prata is coming back from an injury of some sort, and he is not right: He's been struggling. So has Tennessee's No. 1 and national-title winning doubles pair, Harper and Walton--perhaps because Harper had off-season shoulder surgery, which involves a long rehab process. They've lost three times this season--and got beat yesterday. Not sure why Bicknell can't play: In-conference transfers don't have to sit out a year anymore, right, so what's the issue? The NCAA takes a very long time with some decisions that would seem to be straight-forward. On the plus side for the Vols, the freshman from Japan, Matsui, has been very good
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
That would be so sad if Bicknell didn’t compete this year. On the plus side I bet he was feeling Snoop’s performance last night.
 
Not sure why Bicknell can't play: In-conference transfers don't have to sit out a year anymore, right, so what's the issue? The NCAA takes a very long time with some decisions that would seem to be straight-forward. On the plus side for the Vols, the freshman from Japan, Matsui, has been very good

Bicknell issue is not about being an in-conference transfer. It is about being able to participate for two different schools in an academic year (August to June). He played for Florida at the their first event of the year back in September, thus, past precedence says he is ineligible to play this academic year for another school. There are many examples of tennis players who graduate in December and graduate transfer to another school for the spring season. None of them played in the fall, at least for their school.

If the NCAA allowed this, one could imagine a basketball player transferring during Christmas break to chase a title or more playing time, which would be even more of a slap in the face of being a student-athlete
 
My take:

Top 5 is set, though the order could change. Ohio State appears to be a lock at 1, while Tennessee could get bumped down a spot or two with their close win over Columbia at home.

Have to imagine Stanford moves up to 6 with their unblemished record.

It'll be interesting on where Wake/UVA slots as both came away with two L's, though UVA put up a significantly better fight. Is it possible Georgia moves to 7 by virtue of not losing or does Wake stay ahead based on the H2H? Also how far does Virginia fall as it appears they aren't 100%. I can see UGA passing them and possibly Southern Cal as well
Virginia should not be punished for playing top 5 teams on the road. They were very competitive against Baylor without 2 of their regular starters. Stanford and Virginia are the 6 and 7 seeds. Hopefully, the draw will be announced in the next few hours.
 
well, they punished the crap out of Virginia for playing a tough schedule...
Virginia as a 12 seed.....just stinks to high heaven
lots of rematches....Virginia vs. TCU, Florida vs. Texas, Georgia vs. Wake Forest
I am very glad that the mens do seed all 16 teams...
the women having the 8 seed ...play the 16th best team last week in the first round ....was ludicrous
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
well, they punished the crap out of Virginia for playing a tough schedule...
Virginia as a 12 seed.....just stinks to high heaven
lots of rematches....Virginia vs. TCU, Florida vs. Texas, Georgia vs. Wake Forest
I am very glad that the mens do seed all 16 teams...
the women having the 8 seed ...play the 16th best team last week in the first round ....was ludicrous

yep no fan of all the rematches, now just hoping to see UF vs UVA - frankly I’d rather see that matchup even if in the consolation bracket than see two matches I’ve already seen this season in their first two rounds
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
yep no fan of all the rematches, now just hoping to see UF vs UVA - frankly I’d rather see that matchup even if in the consolation bracket than see two matches I’ve already seen this season in their first two rounds
ahh, it's all good, they all play for the second place only anyway........... ;)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I guess that the draw will be done on Tuesday


the 16 indoor teams are:


(using last week rankings)

top 7 seeds are pretty straight forward. Who does everything...will be the 8 seed....?
I really have a hard time seeing Georgia as an 8 seed. They have lost to Wake Forest (Wake Forest then lost very routinely to the gamecocks). Georgia really struggled against NC State and Georgia Tech. I can not see seeding them ahead of Wake Forest or South Carolina.
I can't see Wake as an 8 seed. After yesterday's loss in Chapel Hill, I can't see South Carolina as an 8 seed
Could Kentucky or Southern Cal be the 8 and 9 teams? They each have a loss to a strong team.
Texas A&M might be undefeated but they struggled with South Florida. They just don't have the depth at the top of the lineup.

As always, health will play a key. Will Martim Prata play this weekend for Tennessee? What is going on with Bar Botzer and Gianni Ross at Virginia? Is Jake Beasley at South Carolina healthy? Matias Siimar has missed a few matches for Florida. How healthy is Eliot Spizziri? I would not want to play Texas in the round of 16 if Spizziri is healthy. When Will Stanford have Tristan Boyer back in the lineup?


#1 Ohio State
#2 Tennessee ...
#3 Baylor
#4 TCU
#5 Florida
#6 Wake Forest.....they will drop out of top 8 after being beaten soundly by #13 South Carolina
#7 Virginia
#8 Stanford......
#9 Georgia
#10 Kentucky
#11 Southern Cal
#12 Texas A&M
#13 South Carolina - they were all set for a #8 seed before losing to #23 North Carolina
#14 Texas
#15 Ole Miss
host Washington.........

Seattle tennis club has NO webcam. Is this travesty or what ? So half the team including high seeded teams can't be seen on friday. This is ridiculous :confused:
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
Seattle tennis club has NO webcam. Is this travesty or what ? So half the team including high seeded teams can't be seen on friday. This is ridiculous :confused:

instead of watching the flailing Cardinal program, you can watch defending national champion Florida - it’s a gift in disguise
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
No worries i was wrong. There will be webcam coverage everywhere


oh good the world won’t be deprived of hearing Geller yell about how he’s losing while hobbling around on one good leg - I’ve been in withdrawals from that since watching UVA toss your boys out of NCAAs last season
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Man this is an easy draw for the Card

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mikej

Hall of Fame
Man this is an easy draw for the Card

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agree they basically just need to prove they could hang in the SEC to make the semis

if they lose either of first two rounds they can count themselves lucky they play in that less serious conference out west
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
agree they basically just need to prove they could hang in the SEC to make the semis

if they lose either of first two rounds they can count themselves lucky they play in that less serious conference out west
everyone knows SEC is weakest division in the country
 
When you look at the draw, 6 of the 8 pre season top teams are on one side of the draw
Personally, I think that if all teams get healthy, that side of the draw will have 6 teams in the final 8.....in Champaign at the NCAA tourney
If Spizziri is healthy and playing at his 14.37 level, Texas is definitely a top 8 team (possibly a semifinalist). Braswell is not a #2. If Bailly can do well at 2, that will help them. Ciammara, Woldeab and Cleeve Harper are a very solid 4-5-6. There is absolutely no way that Virginia should have been seeded 12. They are definitely better than Kentucky and Wake Forest. Georgia just needs to get the top of their lineup all playing well at the same time. McCormick and Croyder are not going to lose many matches at 4 and 5. Florida, TCU and Ohio State - their results and their lineups speak for themselves.

Preseason Top 25 Coaches Poll
RANKTEAM (FIRST PLACE VOTES)
1Florida (12)
2Baylor
3Texas
4Tennessee
5TCU
6Ohio State
7Virginia
8Georgia
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
everyone knows SEC is weakest division in the country

Where was the team from that didn’t drop a singles point during NCAAs last year? I don’t think that conference that fills out their schedule with little piddly exhibitions in Ojai instead of testing themselves w Texas road trips against back to back top 10 teams to open the season
 

10SFan

New User
I think the left side of the draw will be UF and OSU in the semis. The right side I think is less predictable. If Stanford beats SC, I think they can upset UT. Independent of whether Prata plays or not (he is a stack anyway). USC vs Kentucky maybe interesting although, I don't think either can beat Baylor. Should be a fun weekend of watching college tennis!
 
Lol. Braswell (just this year) beat Vale 2&3, Salle 2&3, Hashimoto 2&3. He is also a Sophomore.
and lost 4 and 3 to Strom. 0-2 this year against Georgia's #3....Hamish Stewart. When he played Boitan (a #1), Boitan led 6-0,3-0 at one point. I am not talking about what he will do 2 years from now. The match against Vale was the first match of the year. If they play in May, Vale will dominate. Against really top teams, Braswell is not going to consistently win at 2. Braswell will not beat any of Florida's top 3. Braswell will not beat any of Georgia's top 3. He might beat Hurrion of Kentucky but he would not beat Diallo or Draxl. I don't see him beating Fomba or Vives.
 

Liam Grennon

Professional
and lost 4 and 3 to Strom. 0-2 this year against Georgia's #3....Hamish Stewart. When he played Boitan (a #1), Boitan led 6-0,3-0 at one point. I am not talking about what he will do 2 years from now. The match against Vale was the first match of the year. If they play in May, Vale will dominate. Against really top teams, Braswell is not going to consistently win at 2. Braswell will not beat any of Florida's top 3. Braswell will not beat any of Georgia's top 3. He might beat Hurrion of Kentucky but he would not beat Diallo or Draxl. I don't see him beating Fomba or Vives.
I guess we will just have to wait and see :)
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
They did it again. Washington huskies putting the Cardinal in Seattle racket club where there is NO webcam coverage all the way thru saturday. Wow, are they that sore from all the beating they took from the Cardinal over the years ?

 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
all kidding aside. So there's no venue in this great country of ours where ITA can host 16 teams tournament so _all_ matches can be streamed? double facepalm..... Couldn't they like hire four guys with computers+cameras so they could set up streaming at least temporarily at that Seattle Tennis Club? This is 2022.....
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
I see Stanford coach is already trying to outsmart everybody, mostly himself. Why change doubles lineup that has been working this season pretty well??

update: yap, worked as expected. Meaning - not at all :rolleyes:
 
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jmnk

Hall of Fame
despite Stanford having enough quality guys to field two teams they still have to play _the same player on two courts at the same time_
Stanford-Lineup.png


thankfully he manages to hold both courts pretty well so far ;):)
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
just because I have nothing else to do, and pointing out ITA technical incompetence brings me joy:
streaming-link.png

like really? They have links to streams that still point to Illinois??
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
pre-emptive excuses:
  1. multiple players were injured (that's a given),
  2. Stanford was not playing its best lineup due to trying to hide the true strength. The correct lineup will be unveiled during outdoors championship.
  3. the match was on the Seattle Tennis Club grounds rather than University venue,
  4. the match was too early in the morning,
  5. South Carolina did not concede when they were down 1:3 - unsportsmanlike conduct on their part
 

ClarkC

Hall of Fame
pre-emptive excuses:
  1. multiple players were injured (that's a given),
  2. Stanford was not playing its best lineup due to trying to hide the true strength. The correct lineup will be unveiled during outdoors championship.
  3. the match was on the Seattle Tennis Club grounds rather than University venue,
  4. the match was too early in the morning,
  5. South Carolina did not concede when they were down 1:3 - unsportsmanlike conduct on their part
6. Entire Stanford team had COVID-19, but they did not know it because the test results have not come back yet. They all felt weak, but weren't sure why.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Seriously, how a team with such players cannot win is beyond me. One thing I'll say - they do not look like a team but a collection of individual players. Players never even wear the same outfit - I know, it's stupid to point that out, but still. There's nothing screaming 'team' about that bunch of players.
 
pre-emptive excuses:
  1. multiple players were injured (that's a given),
  2. Stanford was not playing its best lineup due to trying to hide the true strength. The correct lineup will be unveiled during outdoors championship.
  3. the match was on the Seattle Tennis Club grounds rather than University venue,
  4. the match was too early in the morning,
  5. South Carolina did not concede when they were down 1:3 - unsportsmanlike conduct on their part
6a. umpires used were fans of the Washington Huskies and they were biased due to all of the beatdown by the Mighty Cardinal throughout the years
6b. thought they were playing the other USC (Southern Cal) and did not think that they had to try very hard
6c. South Carolina number 3 does not have top 10 pro potential so Geller just was not motivated to play such a low potential guy
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
7 Sridhar lost deciding match on court #5 because initially he had to play two matches at the same time as shown in post #32
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
everyone knows SEC is weakest division in the country

lolololololololol

Stanford men’s tennis exists primarily for my amusement, secondarily to goof around in Ojai exhibitions and waste junior talent, thirdly to try to be anything resembling a nationally relevant men’s tennis program
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
Seriously, how a team with such players cannot win is beyond me. One thing I'll say - they do not look like a team but a collection of individual players. Players never even wear the same outfit - I know, it's stupid to point that out, but still. There's nothing screaming 'team' about that bunch of players.

anyone sending their elite junior player with hopes of playing pro tennis to Stanford should be charged with reckless endangerment
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
anyone sending their elite junior player with hopes of playing pro tennis to Stanford should be charged with reckless endangerment
true. Although I do not think anyone does it these days. It seems to me most (if not all) of those players actually realize the chance of being a pro is slim to none, regardless of where you play college. So they use tennis as means to get to Stanford, and perhaps get some scholarship. And that is the goal in itself - to get education from Stanford. And truth to be told - that is, in my opinion, good way of thinking.
Still does not excuse them losing today.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
true. Although I do not think anyone does it these days. It seems to me most (if not all) of those players actually realize the chance of being a pro is slim to none, regardless of where you play college. So they use tennis as means to get to Stanford, and perhaps get some scholarship. And that is the goal in itself - to get education from Stanford. And truth to be told - that is, in my opinion, good way of thinking.
Still does not excuse them losing today.

100% agree - there’s a difference in what I believe in real life and the posts I spout off after Stanford men / Geller suffer losses (with Feddie / Nostra my intended audience)
 
Vale and Riffice were untouchable last year at Lake Nona. Amazing performances today by Ciammara and Braswell. I am eating some major crow. I thought that Florida would lose very few matches this year at the top 3 spots. Vale has struggled all spring. Really nice comeback by Cleeve Harper.
 

mikej

Hall of Fame
Vale and Riffice were untouchable last year at Lake Nona. Amazing performances today by Ciammara and Braswell. I am eating some major crow. I thought that Florida would lose very few matches this year at the top 3 spots. Vale has struggled all spring. Really nice comeback by Cleeve Harper.

at this point just hoping goodger can win the TB and give shelton a chance to be the hero again

but good stuff from texas - riffice had a few game points on serve to go up 3-0 in the second, and dropping that game to go back on serve didn't help the comeback effort
 
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