MEP is back !!!!!

Is GSG the modern-day Fabrice Santoro? I recently met a woman from France who played with his sister as a junior, so I had my memory of "The Magician" (which is what Sampras called him) refreshed. Incidentally, Santoro is the current TD of the Paris Masters.

 
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We probably watched at least 10 match videos of him and we didn't see a single shot he hit hard. He seems to have only one thing in his mind while playing: where should I hit it!
 
dannyslicer said:
60% win rate at 4.5 in Atlanta is garbage?
What level are you, champ?
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exactly my point.. in a league he may do ok...

it's something similar to a lefty's advantage, once it's figured out the advantage is gone.

this dinky garbage is even easier to figure out than a lefty.
 
dannyslicer said:
60% win rate at 4.5 in Atlanta is garbage?
What level are you, champ?
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over the years I have figured out many players like this.

the number 1 key is just patience.

e.g. MEP, but many pushers are similar... they have nothing to hurt you, if you don't give them a target.

there is no better feeling in tennis, than knowing that the other guy has nothing to hurt you.

control the middle, rip to the corners, big targets... don't miss, let him run.
 
These guys can take by surprise many better players. And when I say better, I mean that they could beat them 9 out of 10 by doing the correct things, but once you see that you have to put work into reaching and playing balls that are out of your comfort zone, you just get demotivated. And there is a clear explanation; once you get to a certain level, you like to lie around the top of that level, and forget about the rest... then you get unskilled about certain playing "styles".
 
10sbeast888 said:
no it's not, and it's not your business either... and what is your point anyway, we all know this is garbage, and you are trying to say garbage is good?
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I never offered any opinion on the tennis in question, so you really don't know how I would rate it.

Seems like a small overreaction, but your rating is relevant because you were the one making the claim that you have beaten many players like MEP.
10sbeast888 said:
over the years I have figured out many players like this. [..]
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So to that end, given the player in question in this case is a respectable 4.5, it makes sense to request your official rating, which logically speaking should be at least a high USTA 4.5, or the equivalent of; that way the rest of us can judge whether or not to take your comments seriously. However, given your previous response, I suspect we are now beyind that.
 
10sbeast888 said:
over the years I have figured out many players like this.

the number 1 key is just patience.

e.g. MEP, but many pushers are similar... they have nothing to hurt you, if you don't give them a target.

there is no better feeling in tennis, than knowing that the other guy has nothing to hurt you.

control the middle, rip to the corners, big targets... don't miss, let him run.
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I have watched Ian - MEP video, Ian won convincing with attak the net style.
So i think it is a good tactic dispite giving a target.
 
He looks like fit so he'll get to most balls.

I have never seen him play fortunately as it would hurt my eyes.......:cool:
 
jmnk said:
who is 'we'?
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anybody who has basic understanding of tennis.

people who appreciate the MEP style likely just have some inferiority complex lol.

look - I do not deny it can be effective... but winning like this gives you nothing, other than winning.... players like this will never experience what it's like to rip a winner with 3k rpm, and feel the bone-crushing compression on the string bed... he will never feel what it's like to release a loaded shoulder and produce an effortless ace.

tennis is a lot more fun when you play correctly.
 
Jono123 said:
He looks like fit so he'll get to most balls.

I have never seen him play fortunately as it would hurt my eyes.......:cool:
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these people are dime a dozen on the 4.5 tour lol... maybe with slight variations here and there, some dink, some slice, some junk, some lob, but they all share the same eye-hurting ability lol.
 
10sbeast888 said:
anybody who has basic understanding of tennis.

people who appreciate the MEP style likely just have some inferiority complex lol.

look - I do not deny it can be effective... but winning like this gives you nothing, other than winning.... players like this will never experience what it's like to rip a winner with 3k rpm, and feel the bone-crushing compression on the string bed... he will never feel what it's like to release a loaded shoulder and produce an effortless ace.

tennis is a lot more fun when you play correctly.
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But being able to place the ball wherever you want to is a good feeling, too. This sort of pushing without variation would probably be ugly tennis with no fun though: hitting every rally ball back with a lob. I’ve seen it a couple of times in some very competitive rec women’s doubles matches.
 
dannyslicer said:
Playing correctly means hitting the ball inside the line one more time than the opponent.
Learn what real tennis is
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that may be true for some people.

you can even argue that if there is something on the line, sure, it is about hitting inside the lines one more time.. I mean if you are playing in the US open, that would make sense.

but, we are talking about winning some lousy 4.5 match, that means nothing at all. lol.

amateur tennis is about fun... it means different things for different people....

but judging from all the tt posts. I'd guess most people care about hitting the ball with power, spin... not seeing many threads about how to dink balls lol.

also these players are trapping themselves in playing the garbage style forever.... these guys are fit, there is nothing preventing them from learning to play correctly.

but their success in the 4.5 tour has become the biggest hurdle in their advance.. because learning to hit correctly will likely make their 4.5 records worse before better.

so they keep dinking, for the entire 4.5 career lol.
 
If a style of play does not cause injury, it is a valid style. Some players with unorthodox strokes use jerky pushes or rotate their wrist for changing the ball direction or hit very harmless strokes and compensate by running like crazy - soon they are using (useless) braces all over their body complaining of pain. Otherwise, there is no issue with unorthodox strokes. I used to play with a guy who used to swing his racket almost horizontally and slice the ball on every stroke, landing it just over the net, and he would run all over to be able to execute the shot. Then, he started wearing braces, and now he has stopped playing.
 
sureshs said:
To me, winning is everything.
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sureshs said:
If a style of play does not cause injury, it is a valid style. Some players with unorthodox strokes use jerky pushes or rotate their wrist for changing the ball direction or hit very harmless strokes and compensate by running like crazy - soon they are using (useless) braces all over their body complaining of pain. Otherwise, there is no issue with unorthodox strokes. I used to play with a guy who used to swing his racket almost horizontally and slice the ball on every stroke, landing it just over the net, and he would run all over to be able to execute the shot. Then, he started wearing braces, and now he has stopped playing.
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are you trying to say you play valid tennis ;)
 
I dont think most of the good players goal is 1 times more get the ball back
I think they goal is consract point
 
Jono123 said:
He looks like fit so he'll get to most balls.

I have never seen him play fortunately as it would hurt my eyes.......:cool:
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Jono123 said:
He's probably deceptively good. Fast and runs everything down, forcing you to play that extra shot.

Won't win any marks for form etc but I'm sure he enjoys beating guys with pretty strokes.
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dannyslicer said:
I am defending real tennis.
Winning tennis.
4.5 is top 1%
No points for pretty strokes
Score is truth
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lol chatGPT says 4.5 is 6-8%

that's a big difference from 1%, which is elite.

6-8% is really just good amateur... lol no wonder your perception is so off-base lol... you are putting some garbage game on the pedestal thinking it's 1% elite lol..

sorry for the disappointment haha.
 
Probably lost in your intense back and forth guys, was my video post above , which meant the context of 4.5 is not relevant in this MEP discussion. 4.0 is a healthier context for the current records of MEP.
 
People get sooo obsessed with “pusher” or “junk baller” etc…
It’s all about LEVEL.
If I’m 4.5 level and play 4.0 player it doesn’t matter if he is a pusher or hard hitter I will win every time.
If I play another true 4.5 it will be close match no matter what style he plays
If I play 5.0 player he will win every time no matter the style
 
austintennis2005 said:
People get sooo obsessed with “pusher” or “junk baller” etc…
It’s all about LEVEL.
If I’m 4.5 level and play 4.0 player it doesn’t matter if he is a pusher or hard hitter I will win every time.
If I play another true 4.5 it will be close match no matter what style he plays
If I play 5.0 player he will win every time no matter the style
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wrong..

according to LeeD you need to consider if the player is a rising 4.0 or falling 4.5 lol.

maybe MEP's legs are getting old... but I suspect it's just other 4.5's figured him out...

fool me twice shame on me... most 4.5s are quite good at course correct, even if not soon enough in the early encounters... the better player will figure out the solution.
 
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