MEP is back !!!!!

optic yellow said:
Really what is there to discuss? It is obvious fact. This is why I have spent ample time training conventional strokes to complement my junkballing game. I think there is reluctance from others because people who loudly look down on "pushers" tend to lack appreciation for elements of the game beyond hitting powerful groundstrokes.
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I am actively training junkballing to complement my conventional strokes. Gives you ugly wins like a charm but lowers your ego.
 
10sbeast888 said:
lol.... nah... no point for you to lose a grand just because some random yahoo's on the internet are intrigued by a possible showdown between me and MEP...

but like I said... anyone 4.0+ travel to this area is good to look me up and we have a bunch of 4.0s who can hit well.

what's the rush, you will all see me play at some point.
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I play with the 3.5-4.0 guys through Sean at Upper Dublin. I'm in the area. You haven't acknowledged either of my two posts.
 
Jono123 said:
Again I think they are largely irrelevant. What do they or any other high level tennis player have to do with the tennis we are discussing here?
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They're playing significantly differently to their opponents and succeeding. When I think of 4.5 level tennis, I don't think of the MEP style. Same goes for Hsieh Su-wei's flat topspin drives and endless short slices; it doesn't look like the other players.
 
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optic yellow said:
Why does it lower your ego to be better at varying spin and pace than your opponent?
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I am actually kidding.
Sending wicked slices and high-penetration lobs is a delightful skill.

Getting back to the dinkers. The difference is that once you reach some skill mastery your junkballing is obvious as you actually shape your swing, grip, etc to achieve a specific trick. Dinkers just do whatever happens with their faulty basics. That makes them harder to beat that a trained junkballer who knows what the hell they're doing.
 
10sbeast888 said:
it's silly people want to see show downs with a 4.0 lol.... go to your local park you can see them show downs all day!

why did nobody ask how to make $6k a day.. not offering career advice here.. but there are far more important things than winning in the 4.0 tour with dinks lol.
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How do you make 6k a day? I’m a bar manager looking to exit hospitality. I have about a year left of my MBA program but I don’t have any direction.
 
ErrorMachine said:
How do you make 6k a day?[...]
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10sbeast888 said:
be the wolf! lol..

wont go into details.. but ChatGPT gives great answers.
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I mean I was waiting with baited breath for @10sbeast888 tips on how to make $6k/day - and he delivered! With such clear and pointed and concrete guidelines. The only things missing are few equally precise instruction. Like: "just apply yourself", "don't give up", and the ever popular "you can do whatever you want if you really try".
 
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jmnk said:
I mean I was waiting with a baiting breath for @10sbeast888 tips on how to make $6k/day - and he delivered! With such clear and pointed and concrete guidelines. The only things missing are few equally precise instruction. Like: "just apply yourself", "don't give up", and the ever popular "you can do whatever you want if you really try".
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ChatGPT told me to hustle the 3.0s for 1k a set.
 
FuzzyYellowBalls said:
Something there doesn't quite add up, not really important but either the pancake was better than the words you use to describe him or D1 has something going on. I say this because most 4.5 teams I've been around or on for the past 20 years didn't have 1 D1 player, usually D 2 or 3 and they would all destroy a pusher, for example my buddies who are 4.5 18+ current natty champs from Memphis had no D1 guys, there's no way any of them would lose to a pusher or anything pancake at all, even the doubles specialists.

@10sbeast888 is correct in his assumption , I agree with him, there is a ceiling. Why people would rather have hin play MEP than discuss that fact, is strange because what does it matter who wins that match as far as discussing the topic? Do you all stop in the middle of a discussion and just say, well, well, I bet you can't beat him up?

There are some great pushers at 3.5 sectionals and nationals, and borderline in the 55 competitions at higher levels.

Hardly any pushers of consequence at 4.0 sectionals and nationals. If there are, they are getting run over.

Absolutely none in 4.5 sectionals /nationals. And so on 5.0 and 5.0 +
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He played number 1 for a local college and I just checked they are D1. By the time he was playing on our team, he was in his mid to late 30s. He had classic old school strokes. It was ALTA level A1 which I would equate to 4.5 USTA level. I was rated 4.5 as were most of the other players on team as most of us played USTA leagues too. ALTA is unusual because they rate the team and move the entire team up or down based on how the team does. On another low A ALTA team we had a guy who played for another D1 school but again, he was in his mid 30s. He was all conference. He played on our all doubles team and didn't like to get up early so he played line 3. He played with a weak partner so their team strength was much lower than his level. But, a lot of guys were in for a rude awakening when they played him because he was by far the strongest player on our team. He had a knee injury and wore a brace but still moved reasonably well. You see guys playing below or above their level in ALTA because as I said, it is a team rating and they don't bump individual players. Many guys who played D1, D2 or D3 just play for the nearest local club or neighborhood. In many cases, the neighborhood team is a B level team but they might have 1 or 2 high level players. Yes, it's weird but in general, it works and is fun.

The pusher who beat our guy was a good player but his strokes were not something you would look at and think that's good technique. He also hit flat on serve, FH and BH with little to no spin. But, he was smart, was a tremendous athlete and beat our guy.
 
some additional cost of dinking thru your tennis career -

- the YOLO argument... you have to experience compression, that causes dopamine release stronger than beating some other random 4.0's lol;

- once you have experienced compression, watching the pros becomes a whole new experience. as a dinker you cannot relate what you do to what the pros do.

you are missing out so much.... and you don't know it lol.
 
10sbeast888 said:
some additional cost of dinking thru your tennis career -

- the YOLO argument... you have to experience compression, that causes dopamine release stronger than beating some other random 4.0's lol;

- once you have experienced compression, watching the pros becomes a whole new experience. as a dinker you cannot relate what you do to what the pros do.

you are missing out so much.... and you don't know it lol.
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People have been convinced by this argument. They are less convinced by your cajoling them to ask how you make $6K/day and subsequent refusal to provide any sort of substance to an answer.
 
MaxTennis said:
Agreed you don't have to hit hard to be a 5.0 if you have other tools. I'm a 5.0, albeit a weak one (we'll see after this season though ;) ), and I have little power.

I do have amazing hands and touch though, so there's that.
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+1
also most folks (me) undersestimate (probably because it's hard to quantify), the ability to ABSORB pace at X level, and still maintain good technique, is the more important ability
 
heninfan99 said:
He hyped a guy that doesn't pay for lessons who can also defeat most of his students. Not wise for a channel wanting to make $$ for teaching technique.
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What I see is a guy that can beat most players exactly because their technique+footwork+strategy+ball reading and anticipation skills are not there yet. To me that is an invitation to play more, train more all of those 4 skills. With a coach or not.
 
Daniel Andrade said:
What I see is a guy that can beat most players exactly because their technique+footwork+strategy+ball reading and anticipation skills are not there yet. To me that is an invitation to play more, train more all of those 4 skills. With a coach or not.
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Train with who though? They are not losing due to technique or lack of lessons.
 
Purestriker said:
Most? Why not all?
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Some 4.0 players can actually be sideways, have a consistent toss, and able to coil and uncoil into contact.
Either they are downward 4.0s (junior or D3 college players in their early days) or upward 4.0s with superior body flexibility and coordination.
 
sureshs said:
Some 4.0 players can actually be sideways, have a consistent toss, and able to coil and uncoil into contact.
Either they are downward 4.0s (junior or D3 college players in their early days) or upward 4.0s with superior body flexibility and coordination.
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Most high school/Junior players in big cities or at large schools are already above a 4.0. But, I agree almost everyone could use his placement and spin and especially on a second serve.
 
There is 4.0 guy here who serves just like GSG. Slightly pancake grip, mostly front facing, and focuses on getting it in decently based on hand control only. No pretence of coil and uncoil, using your legs, conti grip etc. Just get the job done.
 
Tennis serve is biomechanically intricate and uses 200 out of the 220 or so muscles in the body.
Pickleball is a good reference point. The serve is underhand. Most players have decent serves. But if you play a high-level player, like I once did, he can ace you repeatedly with that underhand serve. Sounds incredible, but true.
If there is so much difference in Pickleball, it seems futile to imagine that a rec player can pull off a tennis serve using pro biomechanics.
 
gosh you guys are now in a race to the bottom... why not just toss a ball chest high and hit a top spin fh for the 2nd serve. or why not just cut it right to left for a side spin chop serve, especially on the ad side.

why not just play pickle. no need to learn a proper serve, or proper anything... just chip chop..

and actually I believe MEP would be a 5.0 minimum on the pickle tour, with his placement and savviness, and without getting pounded corner to corner by better players with topspin.

look - Ian needs eyeballs and created this meme lol... there is nothing glorious here.... any attempt to win at any cost, will likely put you on a 'local maximum' for long time if not permanently, as you'd be just chip chop your way around 4.0 year after year lol.

there IS this thing called 'real tennis' - the kind you see on TV.
 
10sbeast888 said:
gosh you guys are now in a race to the bottom... why not just toss a ball chest high and hit a top spin fh for the 2nd serve. or why not just cut it right to left for a side spin chop serve, especially on the ad side.

why not just play pickle. no need to learn a proper serve, or proper anything... just chip chop..

and actually I believe MEP would be a 5.0 minimum on the pickle tour, with his placement and savviness, and without getting pounded corner to corner by better players with topspin.

look - Ian needs eyeballs and created this meme lol... there is nothing glorious here.... any attempt to win at any cost, will likely put you on a 'local maximum' for long time if not permanently, as you'd be just chip chop your way around 4.0 year after year lol.

there IS this thing called 'real tennis' - the kind you see on TV.
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When is the match scheduled for?
 
10sbeast888 said:
gosh you guys are now in a race to the bottom... why not just toss a ball chest high and hit a top spin fh for the 2nd serve. or why not just cut it right to left for a side spin chop serve, especially on the ad side.

why not just play pickle. no need to learn a proper serve, or proper anything... just chip chop..

and actually I believe MEP would be a 5.0 minimum on the pickle tour, with his placement and savviness, and without getting pounded corner to corner by better players with topspin.

look - Ian needs eyeballs and created this meme lol... there is nothing glorious here.... any attempt to win at any cost, will likely put you on a 'local maximum' for long time if not permanently, as you'd be just chip chop your way around 4.0 year after year lol.

there IS this thing called 'real tennis' - the kind you see on TV.
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