MEP is back !!!!!

10sbeast888 said:
and actually I believe MEP would be a 5.0 minimum on the pickle tour, with his placement and savviness, and without getting pounded corner to corner by better players with topspin.
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Not necessarily. Pickle has many players who would take years to get to a 3.0 in tennis, table tennis or badminton, but excel at Pickle because of sheer court sense and hand-control and eyesight. It almost seems like a different set of skills.
 
optic yellow said:
Yeah one does wonder why supposedly elite players don't do this instead of trying to hit power serves right into an opponent standing super far back for them.
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these things get weeded out naturally... prolly many tried in colleges/challengers etc until it doesn't work no more.

the Philadelphia Cricket Club used to host an international junior grass tourney.. that serve from the ad side was used extensively, even without much disguise.

in the low ranks, say below 4.0, even low 4.5 you need 1 strategy that universally beats everyone. high loop to the bh. that's it, then either follow in or wait for short ball.... this is basically the beggar's version of how Rafa beats everyone... and it's a lot more good looking than the chip chop tennis, and is easier to transition to real tennis. Don't have a super heavy topspin fh? no matter, some garbage lob to the bh will do the job.

even if you do play chip chop, there is no reason whatsoever not to improve the serve, and guys here are touting the MEP serve lol... race to the bottom.
 
10sbeast888 said:
people who appreciate the MEP style likely just have some inferiority complex lol.
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I don't know, perhaps. I suspect those people probably lean more in the camp of seeing themselves in his play. Personally I can appreciate his style of play, for him. That does assume that is the highest level of play he's physically and mentally capable of.
 
10sbeast888 said:
these things get weeded out naturally... prolly many tried in colleges/challengers etc until it doesn't work no more.

the Philadelphia Cricket Club used to host an international junior grass tourney.. that serve from the ad side was used extensively, even without much disguise.

in the low ranks, say below 4.0, even low 4.5 you need 1 strategy that universally beats everyone. high loop to the bh. that's it, then either follow in or wait for short ball.... this is basically the beggar's version of how Rafa beats everyone... and it's a lot more good looking than the chip chop tennis, and is easier to transition to real tennis. Don't have a super heavy topspin fh? no matter, some garbage lob to the bh will do the job.

even if you do play chip chop, there is no reason whatsoever not to improve the serve, and guys here are touting the MEP serve lol... race to the bottom.
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Ok so have you improved enough in your game to beat him?
 
10sbeast888 said:
these things get weeded out naturally... prolly many tried in colleges/challengers etc until it doesn't work no more.

the Philadelphia Cricket Club used to host an international junior grass tourney.. that serve from the ad side was used extensively, even without much disguise.
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Why does this not work? No one standing where Medvedev stands to return flat first serves can get to a properly hit slice dink in time. I am talking about from the deuce side however, not ad side, except in the case of lefties. So you must have a different shot in mind?
10sbeast888 said:
in the low ranks, say below 4.0, even low 4.5 you need 1 strategy that universally beats everyone. high loop to the bh. that's it, then either follow in or wait for short ball.... this is basically the beggar's version of how Rafa beats everyone... and it's a lot more good looking than the chip chop tennis, and is easier to transition to real tennis. Don't have a super heavy topspin fh? no matter, some garbage lob to the bh will do the job.

even if you do play chip chop, there is no reason whatsoever not to improve the serve, and guys here are touting the MEP serve lol... race to the bottom.
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Can't a high lob to the BH be ran around?
 
optic yellow said:
Why does this not work? No one standing where Medvedev stands to return flat first serves can get to a properly hit slice dink in time. I am talking about from the deuce side however, not ad side, except in the case of lefties. So you must have a different shot in mind?

Can't a high lob to the BH be ran around?
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I am talking about underhand serve from the ad side with underspin and side spin.

In the pros. When money is on the line. Everything has already been tried.

Try the high lob to the bh corner. Low amateur has no solution to this shot.
 
10sbeast888 said:
these things get weeded out naturally... prolly many tried in colleges/challengers etc until it doesn't work no more.

the Philadelphia Cricket Club used to host an international junior grass tourney.. that serve from the ad side was used extensively, even without much disguise.

in the low ranks, say below 4.0, even low 4.5 you need 1 strategy that universally beats everyone. high loop to the bh. that's it, then either follow in or wait for short ball.... this is basically the beggar's version of how Rafa beats everyone... and it's a lot more good looking than the chip chop tennis, and is easier to transition to real tennis. Don't have a super heavy topspin fh? no matter, some garbage lob to the bh will do the job.

even if you do play chip chop, there is no reason whatsoever not to improve the serve, and guys here are touting the MEP serve lol... race to the bottom.
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Absolutely why I practice inside out forehands cross court to the backhand and also topspin drive OHBH. Topspin to the backhand, approach and finish.
 
10sbeast888 said:
I am talking about underhand serve from the ad side with underspin and side spin.
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Oh right, the counterpart to the deuce side overhand dink.
10sbeast888 said:
In the pros. When money is on the line. Everything has already been tried.
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My experience with many different games is generally that there are still noticeable inefficiencies at the highest levels of play. Fear about outcomes promotes conservative orthodox thinking.
10sbeast888 said:
Try the high lob to the bh corner. Low amateur has no solution to this shot.
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Why would I want to play this way?
 
10sbeast888 said:
the Philadelphia Cricket Club used to host an international junior grass tourney.. that serve from the ad side was used extensively, even without much disguise.
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Do you mean there were lots of players hitting reverse serves? Someone who can hit both slice and reverse slice is really rare IME, I can't imagine a whole group of juniors doing it. Unless you mean they were flat serves with a little unintentional reverse slice, not enough to really bend the flight path.
 
dennis said:
Do you mean there were lots of players hitting reverse serves? Someone who can hit both slice and reverse slice is really rare IME, I can't imagine a whole group of juniors doing it. Unless you mean they were flat serves with a little unintentional reverse slice, not enough to really bend the flight path.
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underhand, right to left cut, it's like a fh slice with side spin.. these old school grass courts have fescue so they bounce low. so on the ad side if you cant get the kick to bounce high, this underhand serve becomes a legit option.
 
ByeByePoly said:
2nd toe Capsulitis … never heard of it before. No amputations.
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Capsulitis is a painful condition in the ball of the foot that can progress over time. But if treated early with some simple interventions, you may be able to avoid chronic pain or surgery.
 
Daniel Andrade said:
Would love to see you to play :giggle:
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the amount of time for you to worry about if some random guys will beat some other random guys on the internet..... if you use that to worry about your own game, you'd be much further along lol.

also - trust me on this... if I or @Jono123 played MEP today, regardless of the outcome, you as a 3.0 player would have no clue what happened, other than the score lol..

one more reason to improve first before worrying about others lol...
 
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mtommer said:
I don't know, perhaps. I suspect those people probably lean more in the camp of seeing themselves in his play. Personally I can appreciate his style of play, for him. That does assume that is the highest level of play he's physically and mentally capable of.
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There are youtube videos of MEP taking lessons and hitting more conventional/more powerful forehands (and serves I believe). However, when he plays it seems to revert to his more comfortable habits.
So he has potential to be an even better player... but he would probably have to commit to a year of unlearning and changing his habits and probably a lot of losses.
 
sureshs said:
Capsulitis is a painful condition in the ball of the foot that can progress over time. But if treated early with some simple interventions, you may be able to avoid chronic pain or surgery.
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The biggest problem with pickleball is that it promotes spending hours on your feet in a non-natural athletic position that the body is not equipped to handle. It places excessive shear stresses on the balls of the feet and the lower back, due to the kitchen stance.
 
travlerajm said:
The biggest problem with pickleball is that it promotes spending hours on your feet in a non-natural athletic position that the body is not equipped to handle. It places excessive shear stresses on the balls of the feet and the lower back, due to the kitchen stance.
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My maximum has been 2 games of Pickleball (due to a natural distaste for it) so I am good. @ByeByePoly however needs to be very careful.
 
travlerajm said:
The biggest problem with pickleball is that it promotes spending hours on your feet in a non-natural athletic position that the body is not equipped to handle. It places excessive shear stresses on the balls of the feet and the lower back, due to the kitchen stance.
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the 'non-natural' part - a local pickle club owner told me - they send average 2 a week to the hospital lol - usually old guys/gals who have poor balance and they just tip over on low balls lol.


tennis is just too hard.. but why are these not more popular among the less skilled.... people just need a slower ball, not some pathetically loud joke like pickle lol.
 
10sbeast888 said:
the amount of time for you to worry about if some random guys will beat some other random guys on the internet..... if you use that to worry about your own game, you'd be much further along lol.

also - trust me on this... if I or @Jono123 played MEP today, regardless of the outcome, you as a 3.0 player would have no clue what happened, other than the score lol..

one more reason to improve first before worrying about others lol...
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You are a 2.5 coward.
Your tennis is non-existent
 
10sbeast888 said:
the amount of time for you to worry about if some random guys will beat some other random guys on the internet..... if you use that to worry about your own game, you'd be much further along lol.

also - trust me on this... if I or @Jono123 played MEP today, regardless of the outcome, you as a 3.0 player would have no clue what happened, other than the score lol..

one more reason to improve first before worrying about others lol...
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IMO you can't trash someone and then not accept a kind offer of a match.

Part of my dislike of the trashing is a lack of appreciation of the different ways you can play the game, as in, it shows a lack of appreciation of tennis.
 
dennis said:
IMO you can't trash someone and then not accept a kind offer of a match.

Part of my dislike of the trashing is a lack of appreciation of the different ways you can play the game, as in, it shows a lack of appreciation of tennis.
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If you trash someone and then lose to them you are lower than trash. Which is the case of that poster.

Throws the rock, and then hides his hand.

Coward.
 
dennis said:
IMO you can't trash someone and then not accept a kind offer of a match.

Part of my dislike of the trashing is a lack of appreciation of the different ways you can play the game, as in, it shows a lack of appreciation of tennis.
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I accepted with a formal offer. sorry if I operate at a much higher level lol... not my fault.
 
travlerajm said:
The biggest problem with pickleball is that it promotes spending hours on your feet in a non-natural athletic position that the body is not equipped to handle. It places excessive shear stresses on the balls of the feet and the lower back, due to the kitchen stance.
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For us, sore backs ended after the first couple of weeks. For me, it’s been 20 months of tight calves and everything below connected to them. 8-B First there was jumpers knee … brief but upside is knee x-ray said I that knee survived 40+ years of tennis. Then calves … always calves. Period of Achilles tendonitis … seem to be past it. Plantar fasciitis warning signs … seemed to be past it. Now 2nd toe Capsulitis … seriously … didn’t know that was a thing. Currently have on some pad contraption with a strap going around 2nd toe … it’s like someone invented a 2nd toe torture device. There will be KT toe taping, and metatarsal pads … on the way from. Tennis left me with a gift to remember it by … mild big toe Hallux Limitus. If I had continued to play tennis would have ended in surgery … Cheilectomy. But toe has been fine with pickleball. It’s quite possible that big toe‘s reduced flex range of motion caused this 2nd toe problem by offloading it’s responsibilities to it’s neighbor.

Oh … can’t say zero back soreness. It cropped up recently, bought a inexpensive Roman Chair and added back extensions, glute bridges and bird dogs to my retirement. Didn’t last … seemed to have stopped doing them … but back not sore.

So … yeah … I’m basically hanging in there with this “wussy” game with duct tape. Wish me luck.

What does all this have to do with MEP? Nothing … unless he takes that chopaaaa to the pickleball court. Pickleball is a much more “f*** with opponents minds” target rich environment than tennis … he would love it.
 
ByeByePoly said:
What does all this have to do with MEP? Nothing … unless he takes that chopaaaa to the pickleball court. Pickleball is a much more “f*** with opponents minds” target rich environment than tennis … he would love it.
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The only way this would ever happen is if my daughter(s) became so interested in PB that I could no longer resist. Even then, it would be on dedicated PB courts only, as I regard PB on tennis courts to be an act of sacrilege that I will never sanction.
 
GSG said:
The only way this would ever happen is if my daughter(s) became so interested in PB that I could no longer resist. Even then, it would be on dedicated PB courts only, as I regard PB on tennis courts to be an act of sacrilege that I will never sanction.
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But of course if this happened you would commit seppuku in shame at your failure as a parent first.
 
dennis said:
Was this the offer with the $50,000 buy-in? The TT-ers just want a normal match, please briefly descend down to our level and grace us with a match.
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can't.

operating level is one of those things that can only go up.... that's how the human brain works.
 
GSG said:
The only way this would ever happen is if my daughter(s) became so interested in PB that I could no longer resist. Even then, it would be on dedicated PB courts only, as I regard PB on tennis courts to be an act of sacrilege that I will never sanction.
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I never violate my tennis heritage … only dedicated pickleball courts. Also only indoors … plastic wiffle is barely acceptable without wind.

But you … ttw and the internet … know how your evil genius mind works. I messed with my fair share of tennis minds back in my 4.5 tournament singles days, I know that when I see it. 8-B PB is evil genius friendly. We are the retired couple they send the two cocky male newbies to for a pb newbie reality check. My wife looks sweet, but so is her overhead. :p
 
what if folks use the obsession with the MEP face-off, and go a few step further -

- what does chatGPT say
- how to implement these strategies
- how do these strategies apply to me

kids today don't have the priorities straight..
 
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FuzzyYellowBalls said:
Sure, why not, but that has nothing to do with me saying calm down, here is an example to illustrate how disconnected your question I quoted is to me saying calm down.....


you like murdering puppies?
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It's connected.

I don't like people who think they are much better than others, people who think they are so high up there they think they have the right to call others trash.

If you don't like it either as you say, go there and criticize the poster who started calling others trash.

On an unrelated note, I hate cowards.
 
10sbeast888 said:
and after I answered ChatGPT for the $6k/day, all gave up...

what if folks use the obsession with the MEP face-off, and go a few step further -

- what does chatGPT say
- how to implement these strategies
- how do these strategies apply to me

kids today don't have the priorities straight..
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Well when you ask ChatGPT it says you should talk to people who are making $6k a day to learn what they do and how they do it.
 
Daniel Andrade said:
It's connected.

I don't like people who think they are much better than others, people who think they are so high up there they think they have the right to call others trash.

If you don't like it either as you say, go there and criticize the poster who started calling others trash.

On an unrelated note, I hate cowards.
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Lol, what is a coward, what strange world do you live in ?
 
I don't think anyone is 'trashing' anyone here. MEP's style of tennis is effective and suits his speed & stamina. He obviously has a strong mental game too.

This is more about limitations of that play style. Namely if you wish to progress to a higher more competitive level of tennis there are no substitutes for correct form & stroke mechanics.
 
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