Good stuff; thanks for finding this!This is what green shirt said when asked ' how does one beat you?'
Check. I have a mediocre serve. I made the same observation when thinking about how Ian should play: Ian doesn't have a big enough serve to make a difference off of the serve alone. However, combining that with S&V will be a critical factor for reasons I pointed out above: it will change how Green returns.1) Unless someone an exceptional serve, it's unlikely they will get many free points off of serve. So focus more on placement and not double faulting rather than power. That will help preserve energy, which will help.
I am deficient at this. Among my many weaknesses, this might be the biggest.2) Be mentally prepared for long points and to hit that one (or more) extra ball
I also mentioned this in a previous post ["So simply coming to the net isn't enough; it has to be done intelligently."].3) Come to the net frequently, but on your own terms, to limit how much time I have to react.
My matches are almost never about outlasting my opponent. The one time I did play someone similar [ex-pro soccer player], the points didn't necessarily last a long time but I had to "win" the point more than once.4) Be aware that it's highly unlikely that you will outlast me playing my style. Don't count on my wearing down.
This is probably the most important point: people either don't like this style or find it aesthetically unpleasing so they avoid it. Which means when they do encounter it, they are that much less prepared to deal with it.5) Play me! People that play me more than once tend to do better against me in subsequent matches, while the reverse is rarely true. I think people get accustomed to my style and are more mentally/physically prepared when they have seen it before.
Yep. Ben T. (Green shirt) even mentions that he only has time to either take lessons or to play matches and he enjoys the match play so that’s what he chooses to do. IMO - He is totally self aware! Respect!I appreciate him being so transparent. A lot of players aren't that self-aware
JEEEBUZZZZ!!! Don't tell me the people on this board fear the red shirt! Especially those who argue incessantly to get rated 4.5, 5.0!He’s a master of placement. The red shirt!
Exactly. This means it's easy to bring him forward: no need for a perfect drop shot, just hit a slow short sitter (much easier technically). Don't worry about him crushing it, he can'tVery interesting point. He really never does.
Yes it does, plus transfers if you go see him in Milwaukee. Indian Wells and Hawaii are different things, they are destination clinics. Not all that much more than if you hired your local coach for a full 8 hours for one or two days. Which one do you think you'll get more value out of?
There's lots of ways to beat green shirt guy. What he shows is that most rec players 4.5 and below either can't think of effective strategies or can't execute them (or both).Exactly. This means it's easy to bring him forward: no need for a perfect drop shot, just hit a slow short sitter (much easier technically). Don't worry about him crushing it, he can't
Then when he's at the net, finish him off. He's not much of a net player; 4.5 figured that out early.
As we speak, Ian is feverishly taking notes. And Green shirt is feverishly learning to crush a sitter
How is his percentage from the net?Your idea will definitely work for someone who can execute it. But green shirt is good at hitting his slice shots to spots on the court that make it awkward for his opponent. So while he may not hit winners when you bring him in, he might hit a good enough shot that gets you scrambling, and then he'll win the point in 2 or 3 balls (and frustrate the crap out of you).
He fears short balls from opponents that can take advantage of him. Not from opponents who can't. I didn't watch much of this video, but I'm assuming this opponent was able to get the better of those types of exchanges.How is his percentage from the net?
Green shirt fears short balls.
The green shirt does not even split step on serve returns - how's he able to return each and every serve? The serves he is receiving must be really slow??You guys know that he was finally beaten by another 4.5 NYC guy, right?
The NYC played equally smart, equally consistent which is really nauseating to watch though, I must warn. It’s nice to be consistent and win but this much pushing sort of made me feel sick, seriously!
It's alot simpler to me.Green shirt (intuitively) understands that:
1) Every shot needs to have spin. Either topspin, underspin, or sidespin.
2) Sidespin is the easiest spin to impart with consistency (but it lacks power)
3) Underspin is the second easiest
4) Topspin is the riskiest; (it has the most power, but the least consistency both in terms of placement and errors)
5) When he's out of position, he just hits it soft, high, and safe, so gravity alone keeps it in. In some sense, he does this on every shot. But in these situations, he doesn't even impart spin. He just pushes high and deep.
He also understands that:
1) A shorter stroke is more consistent than a longer stroke
2) Early preparation is key to consistency (he always gets his racquet behind the ball early)
Most of the time, green shirt basically "catches" the ball on his racquet and sends it back with sidespin. His strokes aren't "concussive". He doesn't "hit" the ball. He "massages" the ball.
You are onto something here - we should have 15,000 folks play and 2 watch, instead of two players playing with 15K folks watching/talking about them at the French open.
Find another group. Now you don't have to offer handicaps and you can play singles against people who hate doubles [ie @tlm].I want to play singles. Nobody wants to.
All valid suggestions. When I reach that boiling point, I will sure pursue them.
Green shirt looks like a guy who beats people by breaking down their strokes.Could Ian be more 4.5 than 5.0 at the moment? And remember, green shirt beats most of the 4.5 players.
It wouldn't be weird if you played him: then you'd realize that consistently hitting such shots is easier said than done.His returns were too predictable and harmless. Not single return winner - or even a really deep to the corner. weird
People who understand the rise-peak-fall rule (pretty sure ian does) would give green shirt alot of trouble.It wouldn't be weird if you played him: then you'd realize that consistently hitting such shots is easier said than done.
More likely what happens is the receiver overhits and makes a ton of errors.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm only making the distinction between understanding something and execution.People who understand the rise-peak-fall rule (pretty sure ian does) would give green shirt alot of trouble.
... green shirt doesnt have any weapons to keep the opponents shot in check. That threat of coming in and finishing anything weak you hit.
Did you see the other guy's returns? everyone landed near the service line. got to try to hit the returns deep or to the corners .It wouldn't be weird if you played him: then you'd realize that consistently hitting such shots is easier said than done.
More likely what happens is the receiver overhits and makes a ton of errors.
Ian has played long enough that i have confidence in him executing. Also has a really wide wing span, i think green shirt maybe in troubleI'm not disagreeing with you. I'm only making the distinction between understanding something and execution.
Ya, rise-peak-fall. You can tell how good someone is when you see them hitting the ball on the decline.Green's weapon is not keeping his opponent's shot in check: it's allowing the shot but recognizing that the opponent will often overhit.
Also if you looked at the deep approach and first volley. The volley crossed the baseline, not a short angle across the side line, Ian can hit those. Standing that far behind the baseline makes green travel alot further than 2 steps from the hash markDid you see the other guy's returns? everyone landed near the service line. got to try to hit the returns deep or to the corners .