MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

Who wins?

  • Ian to dish out bagel and a stick

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Ian Wins

    Votes: 43 43.4%
  • Ian just manages to win

    Votes: 22 22.2%
  • Green shirt teaches Ian a lesson

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Green shirt wins

    Votes: 13 13.1%
  • Green shirt shocks the tennis world

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .

jhick

Hall of Fame
2013, that's 8 years ago. A lot can change in 8 years.
Which is why I qualified it with "For what it's worth". In reality, he very well may be a 4.5, but could he self rate and play as a 4.5? I forget what the self rating rules are these days? I think he played D2 tennis for Ferris State so it would probably depend on his age?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Why does that site ask you if you are 21 or older before allowing access?
It is a non alcoholic beer after all...wonder if its possible to make it taste like a real beer.
:unsure:

It is because in the US, less than 0.5% alcohol content is allowed to be called non-alcoholic, so it may still contain alcohol.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
For those whining about the GSG match outcome, you have totally missed the point of all this.
Ian is showing hacker 3.0 to 4.0 level players what it's like to actually train and prepare in order to beat an opponent.

Here is the 2nd set against Adam. Adam is a tank. He would be even more frustrating than GSG. Adam is a human wall.
 
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Deleted member 780836

Guest
Through a mutual friend, I was approached by a non-alcoholic brewing company asking if I was interested in endorsing/representing their product during matches. I won't endorse anything that I personal don't like or believe in, so given that I have never drank non-alcoholic beer more than once or twice in my life (it defeats the purpose of drinking imo) we had to get creative. I said I would be open to wearing the shirts they sent me during match(es) and saying something like, "I don't (often) drink non-alcoholic beer, but when I do, Rightside Brewing is the only brand for me."

In exchange for that I suggested that they make a donation to the TennisTroll charity and left the amount up to their judgment.
Genuine question, why are you so allergic to the money and fame? Anyone in your position would take the sponsorship money and start a youtube channel that is bound to grow big in no time. Take inspiration from Ian and Mark sansait on how to be crude businessmen. At the end of the day, no harm in making money right?
 

curly_2350

New User
I’m not feeling so good about my 6-1 6-2 prediction beat down after seeing that Adam match. We already know Ian’s backhand struggles to do much damage and if he can’t keep regular rally forehand’s in the court it starts getting pretty ugly.

@colabby I don’t think being “dude with ugly tennis strokes” is as lucrative as you think it is. It’s not like gaming where you can switch a stream on and start making money if you have some sort of viral fame. Recording matches and editing them is very time consuming. Mark Sansait is tech savvy, charismatic and makes great videos for the last 9 months. He’s probably spent hundreds of hours editing videos and has 5k subs. He’ll be lucky to pay off a GoPro in the next 3 years.
 

GSG

Rookie
Genuine question, why are you so allergic to the money and fame? Anyone in your position would take the sponsorship money and start a youtube channel that is bound to grow big in no time. Take inspiration from Ian and Mark sansait on how to be crude businessmen. At the end of the day, no harm in making money right?
Several reasons I suppose. One is that I have a fair amount going on outside of tennis already (family, stock trading, & real estate ventures primarily). Two is that taking a casual approach to this opportunity allows me to keep it in perspective and gives me more "say" in what I choose to do. Since I'm not trying to profit from this, it's easier to maintain my integrity and simply say no thank you if I'm not comfortable with anything that's proposed. Third, it's nice to have the chance to contribute to a good cause through charity work.

I guess one other reason is, I like playing tennis for the sake of playing tennis. I've been playing a variation of the same style for over a decade- someone just decided to put a camera on it and share it with an audience. If that had never happened, I'd still be the same guy out there on the court playing the same way as always, for fun and exercise.

Also, Ian does this for a living and it seems as though Mark may aspire to do so as well. I have no such aspirations (or video editing skills for that matter) :)
 
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Morch Us

Professional
What can I say... @GSG is a true TT legend.

A couple reasons I suppose. One is that I have a fair amount going on outside of tennis already (family, stock trading, & real estate ventures primarily). Two is that taking a casual approach to this opportunity allows me to keep it in perspective and gives me more "say" in what I choose to do. Since I'm not trying to profit from this, it's easier to maintain my integrity and simply say no thank you if I'm not comfortable with anything that's proposed. Third, it's nice to have the chance to contribute to a good cause through charity work.

I guess one other reason is, I like playing tennis for the sake of playing tennis. I've been playing a variation of the same style for over a decade- someone just decided to put a camera on it and share it with an audience. If that had never happened, I'd still be the same guy out there on the court playing the same way as always, for fun and exercise.

Also, Ian does this for a living and it seems as though Mark may aspire to do so as well. I have no such aspirations (or video editing skills for that matter) :)
 
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Deleted member 780836

Guest
I’m not feeling so good about my 6-1 6-2 prediction beat down after seeing that Adam match. We already know Ian’s backhand struggles to do much damage and if he can’t keep regular rally forehand’s in the court it starts getting pretty ugly.

@colabby I don’t think being “dude with ugly tennis strokes” is as lucrative as you think it is. It’s not like gaming where you can switch a stream on and start making money if you have some sort of viral fame. Recording matches and editing them is very time consuming. Mark Sansait is tech savvy, charismatic and makes great videos for the last 9 months. He’s probably spent hundreds of hours editing videos and has 5k subs. He’ll be lucky to pay off a GoPro in the next 3 years.
Mark makes over $600 a month from youtube ad revenue, he said that in either his discord chat or youtube livestream, it's a lot more lucrative than anyone would guess. He also has sponsorship opportunities from tier one strings. He decided not to take it since it will influence his reviews, he tries to be as unbiased as possible.
A couple reasons I suppose. One is that I have a fair amount going on outside of tennis already (family, stock trading, & real estate ventures primarily). Two is that taking a casual approach to this opportunity allows me to keep it in perspective and gives me more "say" in what I choose to do. Since I'm not trying to profit from this, it's easier to maintain my integrity and simply say no thank you if I'm not comfortable with anything that's proposed. Third, it's nice to have the chance to contribute to a good cause through charity work.

I guess one other reason is, I like playing tennis for the sake of playing tennis. I've been playing a variation of the same style for over a decade- someone just decided to put a camera on it and share it with an audience. If that had never happened, I'd still be the same guy out there on the court playing the same way as always, for fun and exercise.

Also, Ian does this for a living and it seems as though Mark may aspire to do so as well. I have no such aspirations (or video editing skills for that matter) :)
Makes sense GSG, thanks for clarifying.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
While this is all of interest now, fame wans quickly. Even more quickly now with the daily random Internet hype and minute pop culture. It is interesting the amount of attention this has developed, or has been built, but it should be humbling for folks around to see how well Ben is handling and directing it all away from himself to more import things overall. He surely knows he will be back playing without as much spotlight soon enough, of course with a larger list of players wanting a match most likely. So all props there. Also been interesting and good to see how many more accounts and people have shown up here and commented on YT as well, so a bright side is a bigger community for discussion.

Not that it matters, but personally I just want it to be posted so players can see the results and the digressions can be redirected back to something more constructive.
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Mark makes over $600 a month from youtube ad revenue, he said that in either his discord chat or youtube livestream, it's a lot more lucrative than anyone would guess. He also has sponsorship opportunities from tier one strings. He decided not to take it since it will influence his reviews, he tries to be as unbiased as possible.

Makes sense GSG, thanks for clarifying.
Yeah.. I guess we have different ideas on what lucrative is. LOL. $600 a month and 'lucrative" should not even be in the same sentence. The guys that make bank of youtube videos have MILLIONS of views on each video. And they produce a video a day at least..
 
Yeah.. I guess we have different ideas on what lucrative is. LOL. $600 a month and 'lucrative" should not even be in the same sentence.
To be fair, @colabby didn't say it was lucrative; he said it was "more lucrative than anyone would guess". All that means is that what anyone would guess is < $600.

That's like me saying it's warmer in March in Minnesota than in February. That doesn't mean it's warm in March, just that it's warmer than February.
 

chazz

Rookie
Yeah.. I guess we have different ideas on what lucrative is. LOL. $600 a month and 'lucrative" should not even be in the same sentence. The guys that make bank of youtube videos have MILLIONS of views on each video. And they produce a video a day at least..
I agree. It wouldn't be smart of him to give up his full time job to be a youtuber because there's already a lot of similar channels that do reviews and post matchplay. He'd be better off working for Ian like what Kevin Garlington did when he had his YouTube channel before he and his wife joined Ian's team. . A lot of those with successful tennis related channels are full time instructors or own their own shop like the guy from tennis spin. Even tennis nerd has a separate career away from his channel.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
Yeah.. I guess we have different ideas on what lucrative is. LOL. $600 a month and 'lucrative" should not even be in the same sentence. The guys that make bank of youtube videos have MILLIONS of views on each video. And they produce a video a day at least..
Mark's videos average 3k views. That barely qualifies as a personal hobby vlog. I would have expected he is making $3 per video. $600 is shocking.
 

curly_2350

New User
Yeah it sounds like a lot to me for that many subs/views but there you go. He does livestream a bit and I think youtube is throwing money at livestreamers to try and make it a thing as the competition from twitch and facebook is pretty strong.

At any rate he's a software dev right, so yeah... he'd probably need to be making 10-15x that money before it became competitive with the day job, and even then you need to think about job security and growth.
 

TennisProdigy

Professional
Mark's videos average 3k views. That barely qualifies as a personal hobby vlog. I would have expected he is making $3 per video. $600 is shocking.
Using the app “social blade,” you can see that mark received 154,000 views across his entire channel during the last 30 days.

Considering I’m making $8-$10 per 1,000 views right now and Mark is running multiple ads the same as me, it’s fair to estimate that he’s likely making $4 - $5 per thousand views considering his genre.

That equates to over $600 for his 154k views and his viewcount is up 30% compared to his previous 30 days. Views for tennis are slowest during the winter and highest during the summer, and with his consistent posting and activity on his channel I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making over $1,500 per month around the summer.

6 years ago in 2015 only 3-5 channels were making a full time living on fishing on YouTube, today there’s over 50 channels that are full time.

Tennis on YouTube is pretty much in the exact same spot that fishing on YouTube was 6 years ago. An exciting time for YouTube tennis no doubt!
 
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Deleted member 780836

Guest
Using the app “social blade,” you can see that mark received 154,000 views across his entire channel during the last 30 days.

Considering I’m making $8-$10 per 1,000 views right now and Mark is running multiple ads the same as me, it’s fair to estimate that he’s likely making $4 - $5 per thousand views considering his genre.

That equates to over $600 for his 154k views and his viewcount is up 30% compared to his previous 30 days. Views for tennis are slowest during the winter and highest during the summer, and with his consistent posting and activity on his channel I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making over $1,500 per month around the summer.

6 years ago in 2015 only 3-5 channels were making a full time living on fishing on YouTube, today there’s over 50 channels that are full time.

Tennis on YouTube is pretty much in the exact same spot that fishing on YouTube was 6 years ago. An exciting time for YouTube tennis no doubt!
Spot on TP. Back from your ttw break? We need to see you on the ET courts man. Play Ian, Mark, Scott.
 
Using the app “social blade,” you can see that mark received 154,000 views across his entire channel during the last 30 days.

Considering I’m making $8-$10 per 1,000 views right now and Mark is running multiple ads the same as me, it’s fair to estimate that he’s likely making $4 - $5 per thousand views considering his genre.

That equates to over $600 for his 154k views and his viewcount is up 30% compared to his previous 30 days. Views for tennis are slowest during the winter and highest during the summer, and with his consistent posting and activity on his channel I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making over $1,500 per month around the summer.

6 years ago in 2015 only 3-5 channels were making a full time living on fishing on YouTube, today there’s over 50 channels that are full time.

Tennis on YouTube is pretty much in the exact same spot that fishing on YouTube was 6 years ago. An exciting time for YouTube tennis no doubt!
Refreshing to see you talk about something you actually know about ;)

Seriously, fantastic insight!
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
The next two videos in Ian's series on how to improve and prepare for an upcoming opponent.
The first addresses why so few people improve at tennis, and the other showcases a lesson by a master tennis coach.
Top notch stuff. This process is the entire point, not the GSG match outcome.

 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
Using the app “social blade,” you can see that mark received 154,000 views across his entire channel during the last 30 days.

Considering I’m making $8-$10 per 1,000 views right now and Mark is running multiple ads the same as me, it’s fair to estimate that he’s likely making $4 - $5 per thousand views considering his genre.

That equates to over $600 for his 154k views and his viewcount is up 30% compared to his previous 30 days. Views for tennis are slowest during the winter and highest during the summer, and with his consistent posting and activity on his channel I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making over $1,500 per month around the summer.

6 years ago in 2015 only 3-5 channels were making a full time living on fishing on YouTube, today there’s over 50 channels that are full time.

Tennis on YouTube is pretty much in the exact same spot that fishing on YouTube was 6 years ago. An exciting time for YouTube tennis no doubt!
Journey to 6.0 YouTuber still on track.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
The next two videos in Ian's series on how to improve and prepare for an upcoming opponent.
The first addresses why so few people improve at tennis, and the other showcases a lesson by a master tennis coach.
Top notch stuff. This process is the entire point, not the GSG match outcome.

I actually like Ian’s presentation style. He’s pretty good at what he does, and he steers his material toward his strengths.
 

AnyPUG

Professional
A normal day would be 6-0, 6-1. Usually, a pity game is given.
FYI, I had posted a question to Ian about pity games, he thinks pity games concept is insulting the opponent knowing it was done without affecting the result. He said respect the opponent and compete as hard as you can without considering the scoreline. It's debatable for sure, but an interesting view point.
 
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I don't think Mark is charismatic. He comes across as a little full of himself. Ian, on the other hand, is likable, sincere and subscribable.
When I saw the Mark v Ian match, my first thought was that he was media savvy and had a bunch of off-the-cuff remarks thought up well in advance.

Now I've just accepted him as part of the ET Universe. Everyone brings something to the court
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zipplock

Hall of Fame
FYI, I had a posted a question to Ian about pity games, he thinks pity games is insulting the opponent knowing it was done though the result wouldn't have been different. He said respect the opponent and compete as hard as you can without considering the scoreline. It's debatable for sure, but an interesting view point.
I agree. I want ZERO pity games. Make me earn everything. Only way I can know if I am improving or not.
I would rather eat a bagel than get pity games.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
5.0 player shows how much he's got to strategize to beat crafty 4.5? OK guy...
Considering that the 4.5 would beat 99% of his audience, he is modelling the correct attitude and approach on how to overcome a superior opponent.
Ian is 4.5 so it is a close match up. Ian has not played seriously in 20 years.
 

Space_D

Rookie
Using the app “social blade,” you can see that mark received 154,000 views across his entire channel during the last 30 days.

Considering I’m making $8-$10 per 1,000 views right now and Mark is running multiple ads the same as me, it’s fair to estimate that he’s likely making $4 - $5 per thousand views considering his genre.

That equates to over $600 for his 154k views and his viewcount is up 30% compared to his previous 30 days. Views for tennis are slowest during the winter and highest during the summer, and with his consistent posting and activity on his channel I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making over $1,500 per month around the summer.

6 years ago in 2015 only 3-5 channels were making a full time living on fishing on YouTube, today there’s over 50 channels that are full time.

Tennis on YouTube is pretty much in the exact same spot that fishing on YouTube was 6 years ago. An exciting time for YouTube tennis no doubt!
Can we expect a TP vs Sansait match at some point in the future?

TT Fight Night Line-up:
TP vs Mark Sansait
GSG vs OSG
Jolly vs ???
 

GuyClinch

Legend
Considering that the 4.5 would beat 99% of his audience, he is modelling the correct attitude and approach on how to overcome a superior opponent.
Ian is 4.5 so it is a close match up. Ian has not played seriously in 20 years.
Sure he hasn't "played seriously" but bro he is a tennis pro. HE PLAYS TENNIS EVERYDAY FOR MONEY. This is way more "serious" then 99.99% of 4.5s out there - who may play tennis 3 or 4 times a week for a few hours each time - if that much! Again MOST teaching pros will beat 4.5s if they are reasonably young and healthy.. I am not just talking about youtube teaching pros - but ex college/satellite guys at your local club.

Ian is just trying to sell this as a big match. He is like Don King promoting a Heavyweight Champion vs. Butterbean match.. Butterbean was a fan favorite and could legit knock out tons of average fighters. But would be totally outclassed by any top pro boxer..
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Sure he hasn't "played seriously" but bro he is a tennis pro. HE PLAYS TENNIS EVERYDAY FOR MONEY. This is way more "serious" then 99.99% of 4.5s out there - who may play tennis 3 or 4 times a week for a few hours each time - if that much! Again MOST teaching pros will beat 4.5s if they are reasonably young and healthy.. I am not just talking about youtube teaching pros - but ex college/satellite guys at your local club.

Ian is just trying to sell this as a big match. He is like Don King promoting a Heavyweight Champion vs. Butterbean match.. Butterbean was a fan favorite and could legit knock out tons of average fighters. But would be totally outclassed by any top pro boxer..
Whenever money is involved it changes the whole equation. It's really different btw a pride match and a money match.
 

GSG

Rookie
You guys are acting like this is a serious thing for Ian. It's like professional wrestling. Who cares how Hulk Hogan was training for the match with the Undertaker.
Ian is just trying to sell this as a big match. He is like Don King promoting a Heavyweight Champion vs. Butterbean match.. Butterbean was a fan favorite and could legit knock out tons of average fighters. But would be totally outclassed by any top pro boxer..
I went from being compared to the Undertaker to now Butterbean. Lost all my hair and gained 60lbs. Feels like I've been demoted.
 
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