MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

Who wins?

  • Ian to dish out bagel and a stick

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Ian Wins

    Votes: 43 43.4%
  • Ian just manages to win

    Votes: 22 22.2%
  • Green shirt teaches Ian a lesson

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Green shirt wins

    Votes: 13 13.1%
  • Green shirt shocks the tennis world

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .

blablavla

Legend
Well Mourinho did play at the highest league in Portugal, so my guess is that he had a pro contract.
Let me quote wikipedia here
"
Mourinho wanted to follow in his father's footsteps and joined the Belenenses youth team. Graduating to the senior level, he played at Rio Ave (where his father was coach), Belenenses, and Sesimbra. He lacked the requisite pace and power to become a professional and chose to focus on becoming a football coach instead
"
 

colabby

Rookie
when you mix up so much, and do it in a such arrogant way, your argument doesn't stand though
It does. The guy was arguing top 50 players are not as well known as MEP because he doesn't know a few of them. I said he may not know them but the players are wildly more popular than MEP, especially in their home countries and are heroes in their cities/region.
 

blablavla

Legend
It does. The guy was arguing top 50 players are not as well known as MEP because he doesn't know a few of them. I said he may not know them but the players are wildly more popular than MEP, especially in their home countries and are heroes in their cities/region.
it's not a fair comparison
you could as well further argue that in the apartment where these players live they are more popular than MEP is

try to ask a number of people to name all the 50 top 50 pro players in the world, and see how many people will be able to get it 100% correct

(for example in this section of the forum and then ask them if they know who MEP / GSG is)
 
It does. The guy was arguing top 50 players are not as well known as MEP because he doesn't know a few of them. I said he may not know them but the players are wildly more popular than MEP, especially in their home countries and are heroes in their cities/region.
Actually, it is quite possible as @blablavla is saying that for a specific audience like this section of the forum, more people would know about MEP than a current top 50 player not named Fedalovic/Zverev/Med/Tsitsipas etc.

That is exactly like what I mentioned upthread - about Mark Sansait feeling like one TT troll is worth giving enough attention to discuss in his livestream. This sort of youtube fame can be unhealthy...though MEP has a level head on his shoulders and doesn't appear to be distracted by that or the beauty of Milwaukee among other things.
 

colabby

Rookie
it's not a fair comparison
you could as well further argue that in the apartment where these players live they are more popular than MEP is

try to ask a number of people to name all the 50 top 50 pro players in the world, and see how many people will be able to get it 100% correct

(for example in this section of the forum and then ask them if they know who MEP / GSG is)
Popularity of a player is a combination of how many people know him, media attention, social media attention, endorsements etc. So any top 50 player is more popular than MEP, we may not be part of the set of people who know the specific player, but more people know a top 50 player than MEP.
Almost no one can name ALL top 50 players, where did you pull that comparison from?
Are we seriously discussing if MEP is more popular than a top 50 player?
Actually, it is quite possible as @blablavla is saying that for a specific audience like this section of the forum, more people would know about MEP than a current top 50 player not named Fedalovic/Zverev/Med/Tsitsipas etc.
You can't cherry pick a subset of the world's population and start comparing popularity, it makes zero sense. I am more popular in my family than Darwin, more than Muhammad Ali, more than Federer, more than Elon Musk. See why it doesn't make any sense?
 
Popularity of a player is a combination of how many people know him, media attention, social media attention, endorsements etc. So any top 50 player is more popular than MEP, we may not be part of the set of people who know the specific player, but more people know a top 50 player than MEP.
Almost no one can name ALL top 50 players, where did you pull that comparison from?
Are we seriously discussing if MEP is more popular than a top 50 player?

You can't cherry pick a subset of the world's population and start comparing popularity, it makes zero sense. I am more popular in my family than Darwin, more than Muhammad Ali, more than Federer, more than Elon Musk. See why it doesn't make any sense?
In this context, it makes complete sense. It is completely possible that if both MEP and Basilashvili ran podcasts, MEP would get more subscribers.

You don't believe me, so let me give you youtube handles of two different personalities.

This one has sung playback for numerous Hindi films, the most widely spoken language in India. He has 216K subscribers.

This one is a professional singer too but relies more on youtubeing and singing tributes on stage. None of the film songs he has recorded, about 40 or so in all, are in Hindi. He has 451k subscribers.

Youtube/social media popularity works in a very different way and cannot be captured by conventional benchmarks. You'd think that ANY top 50 player should be more popular than a recreational player but that would not necessarily be true.

Why, tennistim's video of his match with Matt Lin has 115k views. This video of Basilashvili's best points has just 8k views.
 

Happi

Professional
Let me quote wikipedia here
"
Mourinho wanted to follow in his father's footsteps and joined the Belenenses youth team. Graduating to the senior level, he played at Rio Ave (where his father was coach), Belenenses, and Sesimbra. He lacked the requisite pace and power to become a professional and chose to focus on becoming a football coach instead
"
Still a pretty high level, and I guess he had a contract witch in my book makes him a pro player.
 

colabby

Rookie
In this context, it makes complete sense. It is completely possible that if both MEP and Basilashvili ran podcasts, MEP would get more subscribers.

You don't believe me, so let me give you youtube handles of two different personalities.

This one has sung playback for numerous Hindi films, the most widely spoken language in India. He has 216K subscribers.

This one is a professional singer too but relies more on youtubeing and singing tributes on stage. None of the film songs he has recorded, about 40 or so in all, are in Hindi. He has 451k subscribers.

Youtube/social media popularity works in a very different way and cannot be captured by conventional benchmarks. You'd think that ANY top 50 player should be more popular than a recreational player but that would not necessarily be true.

Why, tennistim's video of his match with Matt Lin has 115k views. This video of Basilashvili's best points has just 8k views.
I'll ask again, are we seriously comparing the popularity of MEP and a top 50 player?
I'll bite. Yes, Basilashvili would get more subscribers by a large margin. You picked tennistim's best video and compared it to Basilashvili's highlights from a channel with 75 subscribers? Basilashvili vs federer has some 550k views, him vs bautista agut has 383k views, him vs struff which was posted 18 hours ago on tennis tv's channel already has 103k views. So there's no comparison in popularity. His insta account has 80k followers vs Essential tennis' 19k on insta. If these top 50 guys seriously do youtube, they can become larger than any tennis channel on youtube. Tsitsipas, who posts trash content very rarely has 175k subscribers on youtube. What do you think will happen if he starts posting instructional content?
 

heninfan99

Talk Tennis Guru
What if this carefully planned ambush of GSG is to communicate in a subtle way that: see, learning technique from our channel wins matches? What if...
 
I'll ask again, are we seriously comparing the popularity of MEP and a top 50 player?
I'll bite. Yes, Basilashvili would get more subscribers by a large margin. You picked tennistim's best video and compared it to Basilashvili's highlights from a channel with 75 subscribers? Basilashvili vs federer has some 550k views, him vs bautista agut has 383k views, him vs struff which was posted 18 hours ago on tennis tv's channel already has 103k views. So there's no comparison in popularity. His insta account has 80k followers vs Essential tennis' 19k on insta. If these top 50 guys seriously do youtube, they can become larger than any tennis channel on youtube. Tsitsipas, who posts trash content very rarely has 175k subscribers on youtube. What do you think will happen if he starts posting instructional content?
Obviously, Basilashvili v/s Federer would have more views. Did you happen to miss the name of the other guy in the match? Likewise, Agut v/s Basilashvili happens to be the final of a popular tournament. It is the tennis institution that gives Basilashvili popularity, not himself as a personality.

By the way, why didn't you mention how many subscribers Essential Tennis has on their Youtube channel, their main source of content? Yeah, pretty self explanatory why you didn't but moving on, bringing up Tsitsipas is completely irrelevant because I never claimed MEP would be more popular than even Tsitsipas. Tsitsipas is a star, Basilashvili isn't. That is what you don't get. You think every top 50 player is a star by default but they aren't.
 

Happi

Professional
Problem regarding coaching is that most people haven't had access to coaching at the highest level, and therefore can't spot the difference.

I have had the good fortune to have worked with coaches at the highest level:


And I can easily spot great coaches, just like I can spot the difference between a local 5.5 player and a top 100 ATP pro.

In my humble opinion, Ian is a really good coach and he seem like a really great guy, but he is nowhere near the highest level. My guess is that it is not important for him, and he has a really great setup, and seems like he is enjoying teaching and tennis. I wish Ian all the best, and hope he will win over MEP.

Cheers, H
 

blablavla

Legend
I'll ask again, are we seriously comparing the popularity of MEP and a top 50 player?
I'll bite. Yes, Basilashvili would get more subscribers by a large margin. You picked tennistim's best video and compared it to Basilashvili's highlights from a channel with 75 subscribers? Basilashvili vs federer has some 550k views, him vs bautista agut has 383k views, him vs struff which was posted 18 hours ago on tennis tv's channel already has 103k views. So there's no comparison in popularity. His insta account has 80k followers vs Essential tennis' 19k on insta. If these top 50 guys seriously do youtube, they can become larger than any tennis channel on youtube. Tsitsipas, who posts trash content very rarely has 175k subscribers on youtube. What do you think will happen if he starts posting instructional content?
Buddy, you're confusing things pretty badly here.
Dominic Thiem Youtube channel has 45k subscribers.
Compare this number to the channels of Tennis Troll / Ian etc
 

Happi

Professional
That is what you don't get. You think every top 50 player is a star by default but they aren't.
Interesting view, but I respectfully disagree - In my book every top 50 player in this very competitive great sport is a star. Basilashvili is great player IMO andI enjoy watching him play, great athlete.

No matter how many youtube subscribers, views or likes ET/IW/MEP gets, they will never be stars to me, they are rec players and that is totally fine. They are fun to watch, and have a good laugh, but stars..... no where near in my book. This is not bashing ET/MEP but I think we need to get the perspective right, top 50 players needs some respect for the work they do day in and day out.
 
Interesting view, but I respectfully disagree - In my book every top 50 player in this very competitive great sport is a star. Basilashvili is great player IMO andI enjoy watching him play, great athlete.

No matter how many youtube subscribers, views or likes ET/IW/MEP gets, they will never be stars to me, they are rec players and that is totally fine. They are fun to watch, and have a good laugh, but stars..... no where near in my book. This is not bashing ET/MEP but I think we need to get the perspective right, top 50 players needs some respect for the work they do day in and day out.
That is a different discussion. I didn't say MEP is a bigger star to me. When I am talking about popularity, I stick to numbers and not feelings.
 
Buddy, you're confusing things pretty badly here.
Dominic Thiem Youtube channel has 45k subscribers.
Compare this number to the channels of Tennis Troll / Ian etc
I mean Dominic Thiem does have more subscribers than Tennis Troll. But that's just by a multiple of 4. And that's Dominic Thiem, one of the biggest stars of any player after the Wawrinka/Delpo generation, multiple slam finalist and winner at USO.
 

colabby

Rookie
Obviously, Basilashvili v/s Federer would have more views. Did you happen to miss the name of the other guy in the match? Likewise, Agut v/s Basilashvili happens to be the final of a popular tournament. It is the tennis institution that gives Basilashvili popularity, not himself as a personality.
Of course it is the tennis institution, the opponents (such as fed) he plays etc that gives him popularity which is why he is more popular than MEP. What do you want me to do, compare popularity removing all these factors. Listen to yourself.
By the way, why didn't you mention how many subscribers Essential Tennis has on their Youtube channel, their main source of content? Yeah, pretty self explanatory why you didn't but moving on, bringing up Tsitsipas is completely irrelevant because I never claimed MEP would be more popular than even Tsitsipas. Tsitsipas is a star, Basilashvili isn't. That is what you don't get. You think every top 50 player is a star by default but they aren't.
ET has 250k or so subs, but let's not change the topic now. I never said every top 50 player is a star like tsitsipas, where did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth. My argument was they are wildly more popular than MEP! Is that so hard to accept? Is it so hard to acknowledge that you were wrong?
I mean Dominic Thiem does have more subscribers than Tennis Troll. But that's just by a multiple of 4. And that's Dominic Thiem, one of the biggest stars of any player after the Wawrinka/Delpo generation, multiple slam finalist and winner at USO.
He hasn't posted content in over a year and literally does not even try taking youtube seriously. He seems to take insta seriously and has 1.3 million followers. So stop with your ridiculous cherry picked comparisons and accept that any top player is more popular than MEP and any stars like thiem, tsitsi etc are in another league, no comparison required.
You and @blablavla are trying to win the argument here any way possible twisting words, changing the argument, cherry picking points of comparison. Read what you wrote, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Again, any top 50 player is more popular than MEP.
 

blablavla

Legend
Of course it is the tennis institution, the opponents (such as fed) he plays etc that gives him popularity which is why he is more popular than MEP. What do you want me to do, compare popularity removing all these factors. Listen to yourself.

ET has 250k or so subs, but let's not change the topic now. I never said every top 50 player is a star like tsitsipas, where did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth. My argument was they are wildly more popular than MEP! Is that so hard to accept? Is it so hard to acknowledge that you were wrong?

He hasn't posted content in over a year and literally does not even try taking youtube seriously. He seems to take insta seriously and has 1.3 million followers. So stop with your ridiculous cherry picked comparisons and accept that any top player is more popular than MEP and any stars like thiem, tsitsi etc are in another league, no comparison required.
You and @blablavla are trying to win the argument here any way possible twisting words, changing the argument, cherry picking points of comparison. Read what you wrote, it's absolutely ridiculous.
Again, any top 50 player is more popular than MEP.
I gave you a fact you can compare.
Dominic Thiem YT Channel has 45k subscribers.
Is he a top 50 player?
Is he having more YT subscribers than ET for example?
 

blablavla

Legend
ET has more subscribers. So you're saying ET is more popular than Thiem? Gotcha.
If my memory doesn't fail, there was a point made above that # of views / subscribers on YT is not a function of popularity or skills at a certain trade rather a function of some other skills
And I think we just proved it, cause otherwise Thiem's channel should have way more subscribers
 

Wander

Hall of Fame
Why are we arguing about popularity anyway? I think people have a skewed perspective of how well known your typical #30-50 player is because if you live in country X, of course no average person is going to be able to name the top tennis player from country Y. But in the country Y itself their #1 player is probably regularly featured in sports news so their name actually has national name recognition. In Finland I know many people who don't care one bit about tennis, but still know the name of Emil Ruusuvuori (ATP #74).

So yes, I would bet that in a hypothetical global poll, Emil Ruusuvuori's name (for example) would ring a bell many more times than that of MEP/Ben/GSG, but who cares? MEP has deservingly got a lot of recognition in his own right in the amateur tennis circles, niche though they may be.
 

colabby

Rookie
If my memory doesn't fail, there was a point made above that # of views / subscribers on YT is not a function of popularity or skills at a certain trade rather a function of some other skills
And I think we just proved it, cause otherwise Thiem's channel should have way more subscribers
I agree! Thiem is a nobody. ET and MEP are more popular. MEP is the goat, he is more popular than Jesus Christ here. How many times did we discuss Jesus here? MEP is god.
I'd like to think they are more popular in the same kind of way that Blockbuster was once way more popular than Netflix.
Yes, pro tennis and their players are outdated. We have new goats in town! MEP/GSG, ET, Tennis Troll. I completely agree.
 

Happi

Professional
That is a different discussion. I didn't say MEP is a bigger star to me. When I am talking about popularity, I stick to numbers and not feelings.
Yes one can often be confused regarding popularity vs quality. Having 250k subscribers makes you a very popular coach, but that is not the same as being a top level coach. Having a lot of views and followers makes MEP a very popular player, but in no way he is comparable to Basilashvili, I think that is obvious to anyone. I don't give much for popularity, but I crave for talent and quality.
 

blablavla

Legend
I agree! Thiem is a nobody. ET and MEP are more popular. MEP is the goat, he is more popular than Jesus Christ here. How many times did we discuss Jesus here? MEP is god.

Yes, pro tennis and their players are outdated. We have new goats in town! MEP/GSG, ET, Tennis Troll. I completely agree.
You're not funny man
 
I agree! Thiem is a nobody. ET and MEP are more popular. MEP is the goat, he is more popular than Jesus Christ here. How many times did we discuss Jesus here? MEP is god.

Yes, pro tennis and their players are outdated. We have new goats in town! MEP/GSG, ET, Tennis Troll. I completely agree.
You are taking this way too much to heart. I like Basilashvilli, he is a magician. I also love Annie Haslam and I bet you have never heard of her but I bet you sure have heard about Justin Bieber or Britney Spears. Understand that good things don't always happen to people who are really good at what they do.
 

Windsor

Rookie
I think here we are reaching a level of insanity unseen before. Are we really saying that MEP, who btw I have plenty of respect for, great guy, is more popular, in absolute terms, than say a player like Basilashvili???? Sorry people but this is simply too much. This guy is on tv, day in day out, is seen by millions, is a hero in is own country! Mep for sure is more well know in this particular forum, but this is not the whole world! (even though for a few internet nutties it might well be). Stating otherwise is not only simply untrue, but also direspectful for the players.
 
I think here we are reaching a level of insanity unseen before. Are we really saying that MEP, who btw I have plenty of respect for, great guy, is more popular, in absolute terms, than say a player like Basilashvili???? Sorry people but this is simply too much. This guys is on tv, day in day out, is seen by millions, is a hero in is own country! Mep for sure is more well know in this particula forum, but this is not the whole world!! (even though for a few internet nutties it might well be). Stating otherwise is not only simply untrue, but also direspectful for the players.
Actually, I specifically said popularity is contingent and said on this particular sub forum, Tennis Tips, more people would know MEP than Basilashvili. If you don't believe me, let me tell you I introduced one of the regulars on Tennis Tips to Karolina Muchova just the other day and I have been following her career since 2019 when she dazzled briefly at Wimbledon.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
I think here we are reaching a level of insanity unseen before. Are we really saying that MEP, who btw I have plenty of respect for, great guy, is more popular, in absolute terms, than say a player like Basilashvili???? Sorry people but this is simply too much. This guy is on tv, day in day out, is seen by millions, is a hero in is own country! Mep for sure is more well know in this particular forum, but this is not the whole world! (even though for a few internet nutties it might well be). Stating otherwise is not only simply untrue, but also direspectful for the players.
My friend who teaches tennis to ninos in a third world country knew who MEP was, but hadn’t heard of Basilashvili.
 

colabby

Rookie
You are taking this way too much to heart. I like Basilashvilli, he is a magician. I also love Annie Haslam and I bet you have never heard of her but I bet you sure have heard about Justin Bieber or Britney Spears. Understand that good things don't always happen to people who are really good at what they do.
Who is Justin Bieber and Britney Spears? Never heard of them. Are they tennis players?
I'd like to think they are more popular in the same kind of way that Blockbuster was once way more popular than Netflix.
GSG, there's a lot of magic on netflix, have you tried playing without strings? It's magic! Frame every ball, the opponents will go crazy. I hear ET has a course on how to play tennis without strings on the racket, check with Ian. Your multi million sponsorships will become billion dollar contracts in no time! These fake pro players like federer make only $100 million, which is nothing compared to the ET Open prize money where people play without strings!
I think here we are reaching a level of insanity unseen before. Are we really saying that MEP, who btw I have plenty of respect for, great guy, is more popular, in absolute terms, than say a player like Basilashvili???? Sorry people but this is simply too much. This guy is on tv, day in day out, is seen by millions, is a hero in is own country! Mep for sure is more well know in this particular forum, but this is not the whole world! (even though for a few internet nutties it might well be). Stating otherwise is not only simply untrue, but also direspectful for the players.
Hey, don't insult our lords and saviours MEP, ET and tennis troll. Basilashvili is a nobody! Is Georgia even a real country? You are trying to fool me right? It's a place in the USA.
My friend who teaches tennis to ninos in a third world country knew who MEP was, but hadn’t heard of Basilashvili.
The newspaper guy in my town knows MEP and has a photo of him in his house for inspiration. When I asked him about Bssilav.. or whaever his name is, he asked me if I'm drunk.
 
Who is Justin Bieber and Britney Spears? Never heard of them. Are they tennis players?

GSG, there's a lot of magic on netflix, have you tried playing without strings? It's magic! Frame every ball, the opponents will go crazy. I hear ET has a course on how to play tennis without strings on the racket, check with Ian. Your multi million sponsorships will become billion dollar contracts in no time! These fake pro players like federer make only $100 million, which is nothing compared to the ET Open prize money where people play without strings!

Hey, don't insult our lords and saviours MEP, ET and tennis troll. Basilashvili is a nobody! Is Georgia even a real country? You are trying to fool me right? It's a place in the USA.

The newspaper guy in my town knows MEP and has a photo of him in his house for inspiration. When I asked him about Bssilav.. or whaever his name is, he asked me if I'm drunk.
Go right ahead, hyperventilate. As long as you don't have covid or long covid.
 

Windsor

Rookie
In this specific forum, it could even be (y). But does it really mean anything? Being popular means being known by the wider possible audience. The fact that in a very small niche someone has more following than someone who is known worldwide is totally irrelevant.
 

colabby

Rookie
Go right ahead, hyperventilate. As long as you don't have covid or long covid.
This is a tennis forum Sir, why are you talking about covid? Please stay on topic, no time for ridiculousness in here. Our discussions are very high level here. Please continue posting only if you are capable of having meaningful arguments, otherwise I will have to ask you to take the TTW course available on ET in collaboration with GSG.
 
In this specific forum, it could even be (y). But does it really mean anything? Being popular means being known by the wider possible audience. The fact that in a very small niche someone has more following than someone who is known worldwide is totally irrelevant.
You perhaps don't understand why this niche isn't so small.

Like, I am not from USA and not even from NorthAm. I am from India and I know about this forum because I discovered tenniswarehouse while looking up racquets. Now because I watch a lot of tennis videos, whether ATP/WTA or amateur uploads, I got recommended tennis troll videos on youtube. One day MEP appears on tennis troll. You do the math.

But I could definitely show you even rec tennis players who wouldn't have heard of Basilashvili. It is sad but that's just how it is. I am sure in his hometown he is a hero but on a worldwide level he is not as well known as you or others seem to think he is. OTOH youtube algos go around suggesting videos where MEP appears to anyone who watches tennis videos and suddenly he has a large captive audience just by turning up to play with a popular youtuber. Now appearing on ET will give him even more name recognition. Consider that all this is for something he does part time whereas being a tennis player is Basilashvili's job. Is it unfair? Yes, grossly. SM will destroy all good things in the world by and by because it gets people hooked on watching anything that simply has a lot of views.
 

Windsor

Rookie
My friend who teaches tennis to ninos in a third world country knew who MEP was, but hadn’t heard of Basilashvili.
So did you ask him specifically? This is ok for a good laugh but I don't even think should be up for debate. Top 50 atp win tournaments, are not super star maybe, but certainly are celebrities in their own right. They have tvs, journalists, endorsing companies, fans, who are interested in them. Rec players mostly have videos on youtube and forum warriors..
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
So did you ask him specifically? This is ok for a good laugh but I don't even think should be up for debate. Top 50 atp win tournaments, are not super star maybe, but certainly are celebrities in their own right. They have tvs, journalists, endorsing companies, fans, who are interested in them. Rec players mostly have videos on youtube and forum warriors..
No. But he immediately shared MEP’s strengths and weaknesses and launched into enthusiastic advice on what strategies I should use against him.
 

Wander

Hall of Fame
I also love Annie Haslam and I bet you have never heard of her but I bet you sure have heard about Justin Bieber or Britney Spears.
If we venture into the niche that is progressive rock listeners, Annie Haslam is extremely well known. Renaissance also had a fair amount of commercial success in their heyday. Great band too.

Perceived popularity depends a lot on context. I can lament the fact that I love Morita Doji's (森田童子 ) music and yet "nobody" knows her. But hey! If I just focus on people familiar with Japanese folk music from the 70s, suddenly everyone knows her!
 

Windsor

Rookie
You perhaps don't understand why this niche isn't so small.

Like, I am not from USA and not even from NorthAm. I am from India and I know about this forum because I discovered tenniswarehouse while looking up racquets. Now because I watch a lot of tennis videos, whether ATP/WTA or amateur uploads, I got recommended tennis troll videos on youtube. One day MEP appears on tennis troll. You do the math.

But I could definitely show you even rec tennis players who wouldn't have heard of Basilashvili. It is sad but that's just how it is. I am sure in his hometown he is a hero but on a worldwide level he is not as well known as you or others seem to think he is. OTOH youtube algos go around suggesting videos where MEP appears to anyone who watches tennis videos and suddenly he has a large captive audience just by turning up to play with a popular youtuber. Now appearing on ET will give him even more name recognition. Consider that all this is for something he does part time whereas being a tennis player is Basilashvili's job. Is it unfair? Yes, grossly. SM will destroy all good things in the world by and by because it gets people hooked on watching anything that simply has a lot of views.
You are part of a niche of people who browse Tips and istructions, so no surprise at all. 99 % of posters browse the pro tennis forums, there must be a reason for that. I am not saying that the following for a top 50 player is huge, though, I'd still call this person famous. I would struggle to call Mep famous instead..
 
If we venture into the niche that is progressive rock listeners, Annie Haslam is extremely well known. Renaissance also had a fair amount of commercial success in their heyday. Great band too.

Perceived popularity depends a lot on context. I can lament the fact that I love Morita Doji's (森田童子 ) music and yet "nobody" knows her. But hey! If I just focus on people familiar with Japanese folk music from the 70s, suddenly everyone knows her!
That's today after she worked so hard to keep the new band going since 2009 in the face of multiple hurdles. Trust me, nary a soul seemed to know back in 2008 when I got into Renaissance. Progarchives had certain characters who shall not be named who got all snotty at the very mention of her name. One memorable quote about her: "butter-won't-melt-in-my-mouth-vicar's-wife". It was almost like it was verboten to say anything good about her singing.
 
You are part of a niche of people who browse Tips and istructions, so no surprise at all. 99 % of posters browse the pro tennis forums, there must be a reason for that. I am not saying that the following for a top 50 player is huge, though, I'd still call this person famous. I would struggle to call Mep famous instead..
You didn't really get the point I am making which is that the way youtube algos work allow some amateur player in the US to be recognised by name by people like me who live tens of thousands of miles away. This would not have happened at any other point. Whereas, the following a top 50 player who has never made it beyond the last 16 at the slams is limited to devoted tennis watchers. So the audience subset is not very different, plus many amateur tennis players too may not be super interested in watching tennis beyond the last rounds of the slams. Most people who claim to be fans of tennis don't tune in before the QFs of a slam and Basilashvili never got there. You know, I know, that just making the main draw of a slam is a huge achievement in itself. But a lot of people either don't know or don't care. Remember it was either on this forum or MTF that Sam Querrey was called a loser. Sam Querrey who has beaten Djokovic at Wimbledon. Yeah, pretty sure keyboard warriors can do that in their sleep, no big deal.
 
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