MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

Who wins?

  • Ian to dish out bagel and a stick

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Ian Wins

    Votes: 43 43.4%
  • Ian just manages to win

    Votes: 22 22.2%
  • Green shirt teaches Ian a lesson

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Green shirt wins

    Votes: 13 13.1%
  • Green shirt shocks the tennis world

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Big part of that I think was that he realised it would be a waste of time to try to develop a consistent topspin groundstroke. He hardly ever misses those slices on both sides.
Yep. He's more practical than most rec players. He probably maxes out his stroke techniques very quickly and now fully focuses on athleticism and on playing games all the way. You know half of sport is athleticism.
 

Curious

Legend
Yep. He's more practical than most rec players. He probably maxes out his stroke techniques very quickly and now fully focuses on athleticism and on playing games all the way. You know half of sport is athleticism.
And peace of mind with the grip too. Continental from the first point to the last.:D
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Funny thing about green shirt is despite his singles record at 4.5, he would be no more than a 3.0 doubles player. Everyone of his shots would be poached and volley'd away. Unless he showed better net skills than he currently does, he'd be a liability at net. I would be surprised if he's played more than a couple matches in doubles.
 
Anyone else rubbed the wrong way by the YouTube tennis community (not just Ian, several others as well) making tons of videos based on TennisTroll's content? Something about it just doesn't sit right with me.
Doesn't Tennis Troll's channel get a lot more exposure than it would have otherwise?

Don't people ask Tennis Troll for permission?
 

GSG

Rookie
When is your match with Ian? Or did it already happen? I'm sure you can't disclose the result yet..
Supposed to be this month. We are working on scheduling issues but we're both committed to making sure it takes place soon.
 

shadow01

Semi-Pro
Supposed to be this month. We are working on scheduling issues but we're both committed to making sure it takes place soon.
Welcome to the forums and thanks for joining into the conversation! How did you get involved with tennis troll?
 

GSG

Rookie
Are you training for your match with him?
Not in the same ways Ian is, but yes. I'm mainly focused on conditioning and making sure my body feels right leading up to the match. I may try to add a new wrinkle or two to my game- we'll see what time allows.
 

GSG

Rookie
Welcome to the forums and thanks for joining into the conversation! How did you get involved with tennis troll?
Thanks for having me. It's been somewhat surreal reading the comments about my matches. In the beginning I think I was able to read them all, but by now there's probably many I haven't seen.

TennisTroll and I were on the same USTA tennis ladder over the summer. He challenged me to a match and explained that he wanted to film it for his YouTube channel. I thought what the heck, why not, so I agreed, never thinking it would really go anywhere. And yet, here we are almost three months later :)
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
Anyone else rubbed the wrong way by the YouTube tennis community (not just Ian, several others as well) making tons of videos based on TennisTroll's content? Something about it just doesn't sit right with me.

Trying to get in on e what is naturally popular, yup.
 

shadow01

Semi-Pro
Thanks for having me. It's been somewhat surreal reading the comments about my matches. In the beginning I think I was able to read them all, but by now there's probably many I haven't seen.

TennisTroll and I were on the same USTA tennis ladder over the summer. He challenged me to a match and explained that he wanted to film it for his YouTube channel. I thought what the heck, why not, so I agreed, never thinking it would really go anywhere. And yet, here we are almost three months later :)
Brave and commendable imho! Spurring some great conversation for sure.
 

dman72

Hall of Fame
GSG could probably make a living creating his own niche training channel and subscription service. "how to win tennis matches with unorthodox technique" or something.
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
GSG could probably make a living creating his own niche training channel and subscription service. "how to win tennis matches with unorthodox technique" or something.
Wouldn't do well with TT crowd.

When it comes to GSG style TT crowd either hates n looks down on it or fears and avoid it altogether.

If they ever get caught on video playing like GSG, they'll deny the style, betray their learning source.

TT goal is different. It's not to compete but for show in styles and forms, presented in rallies. 100% opposite of GSG track.
 

Keendog

Professional
Anyone else rubbed the wrong way by the YouTube tennis community (not just Ian, several others as well) making tons of videos based on TennisTroll's content? Something about it just doesn't sit right with me.
Ian has a few more subscribers than TT. Who do you think is benefiting more here? I'm sure TT is happy with the increase in donations he is able to make, it's basically free advertising
 

GSG

Rookie
Assuming you're the real McCoy,

What you think about some of the assessments that people gave you?
It's been interesting, that's for sure. I've never been compared to Forrest Gump before, much less Rain Man.

Some of the suggestions I've seen have been quite helpful, and in fact I'm trying to incorporate several into my game.

I do think it's amusing that many commenters seem to believe 1) That in every match on YouTube, I'm playing the best I can possibly play, 2) That if my opponents made adjustments, that I would continue to play the exact same way and wouldn't be able to make any adjustments of my own, and 3) That Atlanta USTA 4.5s are inferior to 4.5s in multiple other areas of the country.
 

Keendog

Professional
It's been interesting, that's for sure. I've never been compared to Forrest Gump before, much less Rain Man.

Some of the suggestions I've seen have been quite helpful, and in fact I'm trying to incorporate several into my game.

I do think it's amusing that many commenters seem to believe 1) That in every match on YouTube, I'm playing the best I can possibly play, 2) That if my opponents made adjustments, that I would continue to play the exact same way and wouldn't be able to make any adjustments of my own, and 3) That Atlanta USTA 4.5s are inferior to 4.5s in multiple other areas of the country.
Good luck mate. Ian is used to the pressure of the camera but just relax and have fun, I'm sure it'll be entertaining for us regardless. Sure as hell beats watching the french open!

PS: Good work on all the donations you generated through views for the Atlanta tennis charity
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Funny thing about green shirt is despite his singles record at 4.5, he would be no more than a 3.0 doubles player. Everyone of his shots would be poached and volley'd away. Unless he showed better net skills than he currently does, he'd be a liability at net. I would be surprised if he's played more than a couple matches in doubles.
My thoughts exactly, but we don't know. He may adopt a different style in doubles.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
I would suggest that Ian and Green Shirt get tested and present the results to each other. Also take temperature before playing.
 
It's been interesting, that's for sure. I've never been compared to Forrest Gump before, much less Rain Man.

Some of the suggestions I've seen have been quite helpful, and in fact I'm trying to incorporate several into my game.

I do think it's amusing that many commenters seem to believe 1) That in every match on YouTube, I'm playing the best I can possibly play, 2) That if my opponents made adjustments, that I would continue to play the exact same way and wouldn't be able to make any adjustments of my own, and 3) That Atlanta USTA 4.5s are inferior to 4.5s in multiple other areas of the country.
That's because many commenters have not watched themselves on video and seen first hand how slow, lethargic, and un-Federer like they hit.

They also engage in hypothetical tennis: "If my opponent did X, I would do Y." without acknowledging that knowing I want to do Y doesn't mean I'll actually be able to execute. And that there's an opponent who is trying to short-circuit my plans.

Finally, the "region X is weak" is the grasping at straws when other attempts have failed. These people really don't want to acknowledge reality [that you're an above average 4.5; probably close to the 95th percentile of all NTRP] because your game doesn't match their idea of what good tennis is.

If you're ever in SoCal, let me know. I have a similar game to Ian and would love the challenge.
 

shadow01

Semi-Pro
@GSG - curious how you came across this thread? Also, saw you replying to some posts on tennistrolls channel - cool of you to do - especially knowing real trolls are out there.
 

pencilcheck

Hall of Fame
wow the famous tennis celebrity is here! I heard that you are set to play Ian from essential tennis. Do you think you can beat him?
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
@GSG Your footwork is amazing. Did you play other sports like soccer before? Any tips???
I hope the answer is he did not play at a junior level in any other sport. If not, my image of him as a complete amateur with no record of athletic achievement who started tennis as an adult and reached 4.5 will be shattered.

Like the older gentleman at the club who has a very decent fast serve which did not fit his image of a casual once-a-week hacker till I learned that he was a scholarship baseball pitcher in college.
 
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Digital Atheist

Professional
When it comes to GSG style TT crowd either hates n looks down on it or fears and avoid it altogether.
Let's be real, it's not a style anyone seeks to actively copy but it is one that many end up with. I get where you're coming from, but the excessive and very loud noise from the haters is rarely representative of any population base, and this thread is evidence of that. There have been many posts complimenting his ability to keep the ball in play, anticipation skills, fitness and will to win among other things. I wonder how you missed those.
 

GSG

Rookie
@GSG - curious how you came across this thread? Also, saw you replying to some posts on tennistrolls channel - cool of you to do - especially knowing real trolls are out there.
Oddly enough, it was my father who told me about the "4.5 Junkballer with a winning record" thread, and I've been loosely following related threads since then.
 

GSG

Rookie
I hope the answer is he did not play at a junior level in any other sport. If not, my image of him as a complete amateur with no record of athletic achievement who started tennis as an adult and reached 4.5 will be shattered.

Like the older gentleman at the club who has a very decent fast serve which did not fit his image of a casual once-a-week hacker till I learned that he was a scholarship baseball pitcher in college.
Hopefully this doesn't shatter anything, but here's the deal:

I played basketball before tennis. I was somewhat of a late bloomer so it really wasn't until my early 20s that I got serious about playing and became pretty decent. By that point (similar to tennis) I realized that it would be tough to develop the same fundamentals as someone who had been playing for years, so I dedicated myself to becoming the best shooter I could possibly be. I'd practice shooting for hours on end, almost every day of the week. I'd compete with myself to make 100 3 pointers in the fewest attempts (record: 123) and usually didn't finish a practice until I had made at least 90/100 free throws. Things eventually got to the point where during my peak years (2000-2009) I was more often than not the best shooter on the floor wherever I played.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Hopefully this doesn't shatter anything, but here's the deal:

I played basketball before tennis. I was somewhat of a late bloomer so it really wasn't until my early 20s that I got serious about playing and became pretty decent. By that point (similar to tennis) I realized that it would be tough to develop the same fundamentals as someone who had been playing for years, so I dedicated myself to becoming the best shooter I could possibly be. I'd practice shooting for hours on end, almost every day of the week. I'd compete with myself to make 100 3 pointers in the fewest attempts (record: 123) and usually didn't finish a practice until I had made at least 90/100 free throws. Things eventually got to the point where during my peak years (2000-2009) I was more often than not the best shooter on the floor wherever I played.
So you are really an amateur.

But one with a whole lot of will power not seen in others. Never met someone this motivated, and I have seen all kinds of players, from public court pick up guys to resort club members.
 
So you are really an amateur.

But one with a whole lot of will power not seen in others. Never met someone this motivated, and I have seen all kinds of players, from public court pick up guys to resort club members.
TTPS/e46luver? Remember, he was the guy hitting serves in 20 degree weather on a court with no nets and willing to spend $1000s on coaching [or so he claimed].
 

tomato123

Professional
Hopefully this doesn't shatter anything, but here's the deal:

I played basketball before tennis. I was somewhat of a late bloomer so it really wasn't until my early 20s that I got serious about playing and became pretty decent. By that point (similar to tennis) I realized that it would be tough to develop the same fundamentals as someone who had been playing for years, so I dedicated myself to becoming the best shooter I could possibly be. I'd practice shooting for hours on end, almost every day of the week. I'd compete with myself to make 100 3 pointers in the fewest attempts (record: 123) and usually didn't finish a practice until I had made at least 90/100 free throws. Things eventually got to the point where during my peak years (2000-2009) I was more often than not the best shooter on the floor wherever I played.
What is the "shooting" equivalent for you in tennis, that you sought to master in order to compete with the players who had the "fundamentals"? Much has been analyzed about your game and strengths, but I would love to hear your own assessment of your game and development.

Also, much respect and appreciation to guys like you and tennis troll for turning recreational tennis youtube content into a quality entertainment phenomenon!
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Let's be real, it's not a style anyone seeks to actively copy but it is one that many end up with. I get where you're coming from, but the excessive and very loud noise from the haters is rarely representative of any population base, and this thread is evidence of that. There have been many posts complimenting his ability to keep the ball in play, anticipation skills, fitness and will to win among other things. I wonder how you missed those.
I dont miss anything! Im one of those who gave complements to GSG.

But you are talking along with me and confirming my point. "Its not a style anyone seeks to actively copy". Emphasize "anyone".

So, how is he gonna find disciples to follow him?

You're only echoing my point, dude.
 
I dont miss anything! Im one of those who gave complements to GSG.

But you are talking along with me and confirming my point. "Its not a style anyone seeks to actively copy". Emphasize "anyone".

So, how is he gonna find disciples to follow him?

You're only echoing my point, dude.
Part of what he wrote echoes your point ["Its not a style anyone seeks to actively copy"].

However, the other part contradicts your point:

You wrote "TT crowd either hates n looks down on it or fears and avoid it altogether."

@Digital Atheist wrote "but the excessive and very loud noise from the haters is rarely representative of any population base"

You're arguing the haters are the vast majority; DA is arguing they are not.

Given that there were various compliments [yours and mine* among them], I think DA is correct.

* https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/ets-ian-vs-green-shirt-hacker.680088/post-14663431
 

user92626

G.O.A.T.
Part of what he wrote echoes your point ["Its not a style anyone seeks to actively copy"].

However, the other part contradicts your point:
Isn't that weird of people on TT ? Sherlock. Ehh SnV

They just can't get their points straight when they "talk" to me me. :)

Btw, i start to like your posting from here on out. SnV.

You shall be designated as the untangler, the cleaner of craps (mafia movie style) of posts that come before me. Hehehe :)

Alright, tennis time for me
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone else rubbed the wrong way by the YouTube tennis community (not just Ian, several others as well) making tons of videos based on TennisTroll's content? Something about it just doesn't sit right with me.
TennisTroll has better content, IMO. It's solid players playing matches with no fluff - tight edits. Very entertaining to watch especially if you play 4.0 and up. You can apply many of the patterns to your game.

Ian is doing this for clicks. He is a click driven business at this point. It's why it took him 3 20 minute videos to tell you that coming to net, hitting heavy spin and safe margins and not trying to hit junk back to a junk baller are good strategies to employ against such a player.

So yeah, I get what you are saying. It's basically him piggybacking onto better content to get more clicks. Thats what many YTers feel they must do now to make money.

I don't watch his videos very often. I think Top Tennis Training and Salzenstein offer way more. If you want to watch Ian you have to deal with super long winded videos, a ton of self-promotion and subscribe begs. It's not my thing.

I hope GCG whips his a55.
 
TennisTroll has better content, IMO. It's solid players playing matches with no fluff - tight edits. Very entertaining to watch especially if you play 4.0 and up. You can apply many of the patterns to your game.

Ian is doing this for clicks. He is a click driven business at this point. It's why it took him 3 20 minute videos to tell you that coming to net, hitting heavy spin and safe margins and not trying to hit junk back to a junk baller are good strategies to employ against such a player.

So yeah, I get what you are saying. It's basically him piggybacking onto better content to get more clicks. Thats what many YTers feel they must do now to make money.

I don't watch his videos very often. I think Top Tennis Training and Salzenstein offer way more. If you want to watch Ian you have to deal with super long winded videos, a ton of self-promotion and subscribe begs. It's not my thing.

I hope GCG whips his a55.
To take the opposite side [as I am wont to do], how much of Tennis Troll's annual income comes from his channel and how much overhead and employees does he have connected to the business?
 
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