MEP vs ET Players - Original TT Epic

Who wins?

  • Ian to dish out bagel and a stick

    Votes: 9 9.1%
  • Ian Wins

    Votes: 43 43.4%
  • Ian just manages to win

    Votes: 22 22.2%
  • Green shirt teaches Ian a lesson

    Votes: 6 6.1%
  • Green shirt wins

    Votes: 13 13.1%
  • Green shirt shocks the tennis world

    Votes: 6 6.1%

  • Total voters
    99
  • Poll closed .
imo, Topher had one fluke escape to win the match- it's like Soderling beating Rafa once. I take MEP to win each and everytime against Topher without a question on any surface.
I'd take the under: on ET's courts, I think Topher stands a fighting chance. Outdoors in the Atlanta summer, the balance shifts towards MEP.
 

AnyPUG

Professional
I'd take the under: on ET's courts, I think Topher stands a fighting chance. Outdoors in the Atlanta summer, the balance shifts towards MEP.
Based on a proven track record of calling results within 1 game(had called 0 games against Scott and 2 againat Ian vs actual 1 and 3), my forecast is as good as they come.
 
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AnyPUG

Professional
Meh. In a rematch on ET's court Sean stands a fighting chance. Any 4.0 stands a good chance if it comes down to tennis skill and is not a fitness contest.
What tennis skill? Hitting back to the opponent nice and easy at predictable height, distance and pace so the guy does not need to move around much?
 

AnyPUG

Professional
^^^

The well grooved modern shots of Sinner versus Nadal's FH slices and chops and whatever shots when needed the most was the difference in the first set (which lead to the eventual outcome).
 

steve s

Professional
Are these the avg forehands you see at the 4.5 level where you play? I know the ratings are based on results, not stokes.

(Ben vs Captain) If both have played for 10+ years, I just do not understand.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
Are these the avg forehands you see at the 4.5 level where you play? I know the ratings are based on results, not stokes.

(Ben vs Captain) If both have played for 10+ years, I just do not understand.
There is no average. Players come in all styles. The rating measures whether your ball lands inside the lines. Nothing more.
 

Curious

Legend
Can’t believe how calm and slowly he’s moving to the net when he’s serving and volleying. A lot of half volleys as a result but somehow manages to win points.
 

Morch Us

Professional
By looking at the video, I am pretty sure that, Captain may normally be hitting heavier and faster forehands. He clearly adjusted his game plan against MEV's unconventional low spin.

It seemed to work in the first set. Reduced his unforced errors, makes it a less frustrating and easy going point play. Was also able to control the depth and placement of the balls when not giving importance for pace. So that complimented his net game. Now of course MEV caught up to it in second set. But I also think Captain went away from his game plan in second set.

Are these the avg forehands you see at the 4.5 level where you play?

I think that is exactly why you see this. Less experienced players may try to overpower MEV, generating tons of unforced errors, plus providing pace to incorrect placement spots to make it easer for MEV to counter punch. Of course if you are clearly higher level than MEV, you may have an easier match with combined pace and placement overwhelming MEV. But I don't think that is the case here.
If both have played for 10+ years, I just do not understand.
 
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Deleted member 780836

Guest
Captain played a lot of MEP style forehands and backhands, the match started to resemble slow motion padel :-D
 

davced1

Hall of Fame
I have followed both players on YouTube and knew beforehand Ian was the much better player or so I thought. If MEP had won I would have to re-evaluate what I thought I knew because then my presumption would have been wrong. Now Ian won so I don’t need to re-evaluate anything!
 
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Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
I have followed both players on YouTube and knew beforehand Ian was the much better player or so I thought. If MEP had won I would have to re-evaluate what I thought I knew because then my presumption would have been wrong. Now Ian won so I don’t need to re-evaluate anything!
Is a 4.5 considered to be that good for an amateur player?
 

Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
Isn’t 4.5 top ten percent of all tennis players? It’s pretty good.
I didn't know that.

Although without a doubt Ian is pretty clear the best player, IMO I didn't see him beating MEP in such a way that would leave me "astonished".

I think my college colleagues could beat MEP 6-0 6-0 in a good day for them and a bad day for MEP.

However, perhaps I'm overestimating my colleague's level or underestimating MEP's. I would say I was around MEP's level back in college, and from that insight I think Ian's level is within reach. Perhaps I'm also underestimating Ian's level, especially since he is coming back from an injury.
 

davced1

Hall of Fame
I didn't know that.

Although without a doubt Ian is pretty clear the best player, IMO I didn't see him beating MEP in such a way that would leave me "astonished".

I think my college colleagues could beat MEP 6-0 6-0 in a good day for them and a bad day for MEP.

However, perhaps I'm overestimating my colleague's level or underestimating MEP's. I would say I was around MEP's level back in college, and from that insight I think Ian's level is within reach. Perhaps I'm also underestimating Ian's level, especially since he is coming back from an injury.
I also underestimated MEP when I first watched him. He is deceptively good. Ian used to be at least 5.0 so no surprise he still is the better player of the two. There is a lot to learn from both. I actually won a match today borrowing many pages from MEP’s playbook.
 

ChrisG

Semi-Pro
Ben is a terrific player, not by the usual standards, but by the fact he managed to get the most out of his own abilities and kept improving on that honest basis.
most rec players try to hard to play like the pros, or to look like they’re college players with flashy strikes. That’s why you see a lot of doubles faults or unforced errors. Not because of the difficulties provided by the opponent but by the player overplaying.
I have a few friends that don’t improve because they “refuse” to be honest about their level and abilities.
 

travlerajm

G.O.A.T.
I also underestimated MEP when I first watched him. He is deceptively good. Ian used to be at least 5.0 so no surprise he still is the better player of the two. There is a lot to learn from both. I actually won a match today borrowing many pages from MEP’s playbook.
I underestimated him too.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Tennis, by design, does not make it easy to safely put away a ball. That is the basic problem. It requires advanced offense skills disproportionate to your average level.

In table tennis, a 3.5-equivalent player like me can still topspin and smash, so a defensive player around the same level has to be pretty good to keep getting the ball back over and over. The opponent's defense skills need to be disproportionate to his average level to do this.

The asymmetry between offense and defense is the reason for all these discussions.
 

FloridaAG

Professional
Many people lose sight of the fact that MEP is both extremely smart (tactically and generally), fit and does not rattle easily. And is left handed. All contribute a lot to his ability to win at 4.5 with this style.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
Why anyone would go for low percentage baseline groundstrokes against MEP I’ll never understand. Just hit with margin side to side, make MEP hit on the run and enjoy your volleys.
MEP is dictating. Good luck trying to change directions when you're on the run digging out slices. MEP wants you at the net, so he can lob you, and run you like a yo-yo
 

vex

Hall of Fame
MEP is dictating. Good luck trying to change directions when you're on the run digging out slices. MEP wants you at the net, so he can lob you, and run you like a yo-yo
What match are you watching? His serve allows the opponent to immediately be in the drivers seat. His return is an ultra safe, albeit deep push. If MEP is dictating after that point you’re doing it wrong. High margin groundies to either side dramatically refuces the slice effectiveness. If you hit it right to him with no pace, sure he’ll go on the slice offensive. That wasn’t the captains problem in set 2 tho, he got tired and started alternating between low margin offense and pushing. If he had been able to keep MEP running with high margin wide shots and followed that with moving in to mop up, he’d have been fine. The slice is annoying and if you aren’t used to it it’ll take adjustment but Ian played the exact game plan I laid out earlier in the thread and the only time he was mildly troubled was when he lost focus for a game or two.
 
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FiddlerDog

Professional
What match are you watching? His serve allows the opponent to immediately be in the drivers seat.
LOL, all the MPE matches, even ex-D1 players can't reliably attack his low bullet slice serve. It is perfection. Way more effective than Captain's.
The part that got my attention was Captain's FH. There is zero power. Something is very wrong with that FH
 
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FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
LOL, all the MPE matches, even ex-D1 players can't reliably attack his low bullet slice serve. It is perfection. Way more effective than Captain's.
The part that got my attention was Captain's FH. There is zero power. Something is very wrong with that FH
Fidler, I need to reign you in a little bit here, don't get carried away. "even ex-D1 players can't reliably attack his low (bullet, what?) slice serve". The majority of ex-D1 players could reliably attack all the serves that you see on rec youtube tennis offerings. What was your thought process on this bold statement, 1) you've seen ex-div 1 players not be able to reliably attack that serve or 2) You've seen a ton of ex-div 1 players and are imagining them trying to return that serve?

Not a critique of MEP serve, but that kind of grand statement needs more explanation.
 

FiddlerDog

Professional
@FuzzyYellowBalls

There is a reason his chop serve has gotten him to 4.5
Most people can't do much with it, and a 3.5 or 4.0 will be spraying balls trying to attack his slow serve.
Sign of a hacker is someone who only see slow, and not spin.

Want to make your 3.5 opponents heads explode?
Serve a underhand slice an entire set.
You will hold serve at luv until they figure out its unattackable and must be chipped back
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
74k views and 3k + responses, and some players are still all....



...when responding to MEP's 4.5 rating.


Everyone still focusing on strokes, but seem to miss his excellent footwork (great small adjustments steps), balance, and predictive positioning in match play. And THEN his great shot selection and placement. Just forces good players to have to hit so consistent and with less margin than many are comfortable with.

 

FuzzyYellowBalls

Professional
@FuzzyYellowBalls

There is a reason his chop serve has gotten him to 4.5
Most people can't do much with it, and a 3.5 or 4.0 will be spraying balls trying to attack his slow serve.
Sign of a hacker is someone who only see slow, and not spin.

Want to make your 3.5 opponents heads explode?
Serve a underhand slice an entire set.
You will hold serve at luv until they figure out its unattackable and must be chipped back
I shall remember this advice in case I ever drift down to 3.5, never played a match against one before, but never say never.
 
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