MEP vs MEP clone !!!
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Born_to_slice
Legend
Clone? They are nothing alike.
Good catch, but I meant similarity of the style of play. MEP clone looks capable of playing traditional shots, is it just me who thought he copied MEP's style in the second set....
Clash Ah ah
Rookie
Very different players.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
I didn't see any similarities in style. Blue guy makes too many errors but otherwise plays an all court game whereas green guy just hangs back hitting defensive shot after defensive shot. And almost never misses.
Not sure I saw green guy take the net once.
Not sure I saw green guy take the net once.
ChaelAZ
G.O.A.T.
Not at all. John was drawn into MEPs game style, like so many are. But You can see John prefers normal pace play and such.
I agree with you, but don't remember anyone morphing somewhat into MEP's style and get a set out of him yet, Let's see what happens in the 3rd set.
(It's not exact duplicate, clone, copy - but "clone" did resort to a lot of FH slices and drop shots etc like MEP does)
Born_to_slice
Legend
Yeah, he used a few funky slices and eased up on aggression but that's far from being a GSG clone.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Who is this person MEP, is it a known poster? Serious question.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Good stuff, bruh
Really? You guys can't see that Blue and Green bunt their FH alike? Blue can hit the regular driving FH but alot of time he chose to bunt it over like Green.
Right here, they chop their BH alike. Next point, the chop their FH alike too. Chop chop chop.. chop suey.. ....I'm hungry..... time for dinner.
Blue guy has a normal looking serve that occasionally he hits with some zip. He also has a topspin forehand - not always a chop. Finally blue guy loves to come into the net whereas GSG stays back.
So they are not really that close. They both rely on low power groundstrokes and don't really hit out. That is about the extent of their sameness. The new york 4.5 hit pretty soft as well, IMHO.. So there are some low 4.5s that do play that way.. It's a shame that GSG never plays any of the top seeded guys on the channel. A coupe of guys just flat out murder the ball..
But I digress sorry ass groundstrokes - doesn't really mean they play the same - if they did we would have to say every pro plays the same. All pros hit with powerful groundstrokes and massive serves. (At least all the men do).
So they are not really that close. They both rely on low power groundstrokes and don't really hit out. That is about the extent of their sameness. The new york 4.5 hit pretty soft as well, IMHO.. So there are some low 4.5s that do play that way.. It's a shame that GSG never plays any of the top seeded guys on the channel. A coupe of guys just flat out murder the ball..
But I digress sorry ass groundstrokes - doesn't really mean they play the same - if they did we would have to say every pro plays the same. All pros hit with powerful groundstrokes and massive serves. (At least all the men do).
sredna42
Hall of Fame
Lolwut? They are nothing alike at all
Curious
G.O.A.T.
Did you watch the first set?
Blue shirt suddenly became smarter and patient in the second set!
Dragy
Legend
Blue shirt looks like he's got good techniques and complete toolbox, but his level of physical engagement is below Fognini... You kind of wait when he actually turns on and starts playing all-out, or maybe guess if he's been off-court for several years and just gets back, unconfident and lost habit for good execution...
Believe couple of month of frequent motivated practice coupled with fitness improvement could make him into a much sharper player.
Believe couple of month of frequent motivated practice coupled with fitness improvement could make him into a much sharper player.
Sometimes you gotta receive the incoming ball with a response you’d not normally apply and junkball the junkballer. It’s difficult to hit Thiem-like forehands on every junkball you get. It’s easy to get lulled into that game though. Kinda like when I start hitting slices that are not “defensive slices” as a game strategy, say if the opponent isn’t great at picking up slices. I then tend to get into the habit of hitting slices in a situation in which I should be hitting a topspin 2hand drive.
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The language makes one thing abundantly clear about poster's(and those who liked it) culture and maturity - which is, without a doubt, filthy and primeval.
Right, but didn't he show that he is capable(mentally and physically) of copying MEP's style even for a few games/points... sure "clone" is an exuberantly hyperbolic exaggeration, but it's definitely in the realm of ordinary imagination.
Born_to_slice
Legend
Alright, he threw some of GSG's own medicine back at him. Def not a clone though, especially when you watch him play other match that ChaelAZ posted.
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
More of a shape shifter.
which similarity?
one tries to finish the rally as soon as possible, of course with constraint of understanding own limits, and the other one is exhausting you
one hits plenty of top spins, the other one hits plenty of slices & weird spins
one is rather close to traditional technique while the other one is most likely self-taught
It's like saying that the car and a fish are similar, just because they both can move in space
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Good stuff, bruh
Really? You guys can't see that Blue and Green bunt their FH alike? Blue can hit the regular driving FH but alot of time he chose to bunt it over like Green.
Right here, they chop their BH alike. Next point, the chop their FH alike too. Chop chop chop.. chop suey.. ....I'm hungry..... time for dinner.
Blue guy will occasionally hit some shots like green guy but his shots are not "entirely" chop shots. I do stuff like that all the time when facing a new opponent to see if something gives them trouble. Wouldn't classify myself as a chop shotter because I hit a chop shot here and there.
I think the most you can state is that Blue shirt can adapt to and/or imitate his opponents game. Thanks for posting the video BTW. I'm a fan of the Tennis Troll videos.
You can make argument that car and fish are similar under certain circumstances (i.e moving in space).
Isn't it glass half full half empty conundrum? It's always possible find meaning, if you dare to see it.
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Some sports cars come with fins. I’ve even seen some with gills.
well, if a car is a clone of a fish, or fish is a clone of car, then yeah, sure, these 2 guys are similar
I mean, they both use a racket to hit a ball in same lines. But this is pretty much the entire list of similarities between them
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
I think they are both roughly 6 ft tall.
Can confirm.
MaxTennis
Professional
Welcome to the club!
onehandbh
G.O.A.T.
I'm in the 182.x cm tall club as well.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
Such style may look like that to the un initiatives but I know it's not for me. There are those of us who love the diesel engine like performance -- low key, low power consistent stamina.
Healthwise, this is healthier than the more extreme peak and ebb performance.
Rubens
Hall of Fame
What about a non-extreme peak and ebb performance?
Dragy
Legend
Teh drama! The way Blue shirt drops behind and comes back still leaves so many questions... If he's playing humbly and wins those good points in line with playing those grindies, all props to him for not stacking at his lows.
But again, that standing mid-NML and rallying for several shots... Then settling right behind the baseline to try to volley... Falling back after seemingly good approach/first volley... Either trolling or I don't know, low-hanging tactical fruits?
Props to MEP for fighting as always, but John plays the main character in this thriller!
It's semantics - similar is not the same as clone. In case it's not clear, the word "clone" was used very loosely to make a hyperbolic figurative metaphor. It's a difficult argument when personal taste, and very subjective idiosyncrasies are involved.
Just move on.
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definitely very trollish, he should have at least flashed the final score before screaming cut...
jdawgg
Semi-Pro
Sounds like a lot of you haven't played many high level "pushers". First of all they don't give you as much pace so your shots don't look as sexy because you're having to generate it all. Second of all you can hit the ball as hard as you want but if its right at them they are just going to bunt it right back with zero effort, while you had to expend a lot of effort.
I've seen many of these matches and the power player always dials it back and goes for placement and consistency. That's the key to beating these types of players. You have to construct points and not just bash the ball. If you're a full level above the pusher then you can probably blow them off the court but not when its somewhat equal.
In summary, these two players are not clones.
I've seen many of these matches and the power player always dials it back and goes for placement and consistency. That's the key to beating these types of players. You have to construct points and not just bash the ball. If you're a full level above the pusher then you can probably blow them off the court but not when its somewhat equal.
In summary, these two players are not clones.
user92626
G.O.A.T.
It'd be healthier. That's the the pusher style
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
I think that there are too many posts debating which style is better to play to win more. The reality is that when two players are at an equal level, it is going to be a competitive match decided by a few crucial points. When a player is a full 0.5 higher in dynamic rating, they are going to win by an one-sided score irrespective of the playing styles.
The reason MEP plays competitive with other 4.5 players is because he has a 4.5 computer rating and not because he is a pusher. If he had a low 4.0 computer rating playing his style and he played 4.5 players, he won’t win much. This is true for all of us irrespective of our style - we can do well only against players at our level and below. If we play a pusher or a power player or a net player who is higher in computer rating (not self-rating), we will likely lose badly as they are good enough to have earned that higher computer rating by winning tough matches against better players. Many good players who are all-court players will even change their style to beat other opponents if they think that is the best way to play them. Good players might even compel opponents to change their style - many of MEP’s opponents become less aggressive as the match progresses once they realize they are making too many errors and not hitting enough winners.
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Another certified naysayer.
This is what Mahatma Gandhi said about them - (who is Ghandi btw?)
“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.”
Don't lose the forest for the trees.
Why don't you look at the transformation of the player from one style to another as the match progresses and get something substantive instead?
It's an intriguing match tbh, we have seen many players beat themselves by over cooking, but here the guy cooled down almost to MEP's pace on many occasions to keep the encounter very close.
No, instead many of us have to get caught up on some irrelevant minutiae to point out how the color of the napkin is not what you expected.
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S&V-not_dead_yet
Talk Tennis Guru
There are also matchup considerations, though. Someone who likes full stroke TS might have a rough time against someone who blocks and slices at varying heights. That style is out of their comfort zone.
By the same token, a pusher might have a tough go against a net attacker [I've been the beneficiary of this matchup multiple times].
Even if their DNTRP was identical, they would have preferences of opponent style.
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