Miami Masters 1987-1989 = 5th Major

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  1. Nadal_2008

    Nadal_2008 New User

    Aug 8, 2012
    Ive noticed that the 1987, 1988 & 1989 Lipton International Players Championships (Miami Masters) was best of 5 sets every round and a 128 draw. Also the ranking points for winning were very close to the amount you got for winning the Australian open in those years.

    The winners of the Miami tournament in those 3 years were Miloslav Mečíř in 1987, Mats Wilander in 1988, Ivan Lendl in 1989.

    Considering the Miami masters in those 3 years was basically the same format as a grand slam, do those 3 players deserve to consider and count winning in Miami the same as winning a major?? Which would move Lendl on to a total of 9 majors, Wilander 8 majors.

    Any thoughts??
  2. merlinpinpin

    merlinpinpin Hall of Fame

    Dec 8, 2011
    Well, first of all, this tournament was called Key Biscayne at the time, not Miami. ;)

    Then, it *was* definitely considered as the 5th slam at the time ("The Players' Slam", they called it), but this fad (and format) didn't last long enough to make it official. Imho, they tried to go for it, but it didn't take, for a variety of reasons (second major in the US, adding a 5th to the four existing ones, etc.).
  3. The Bawss

    The Bawss Banned

    May 8, 2011
    Lyon, France.
    Now it's cincy.
  4. fuzzyball

    fuzzyball Rookie

    Jun 5, 2012
    Simply no.
  5. tacou

    tacou Legend

    Jun 30, 2007
    Obviously no, but that's very interesting. The history books won't acknowledge it but for how difficult it was to win that tournament in those years, in therefore how much pride should the champion take in their victory? More so than the AO in those days I'd say.

    Way to go Mecir.
  6. Sabratha

    Sabratha Talk Tennis Guru

    Jun 6, 2012
    I'm going to say no.
  7. TennisLovaLova

    TennisLovaLova Hall of Fame

    Jun 10, 2011
    And RF is the GOAT.
    Proven many times in a famous tt thread
  8. Towser83

    Towser83 Legend

    May 17, 2011
    Not quite, but almost. I mean when something is called a slam then it does have a bit more riding on it, so I don't think any tornament can be as good as a slam unless you officially call it one. But you know, I would definately rate that incarnation of Miami as up there with the year end titles, higher even.

    Note. I think it was lendl in 1989, had a walkover in the final, so I know that's not his fault but I have to mark his win down.
  9. kiki

    kiki Banned

    Feb 17, 2010
    Not at all since Masters and Dallas were bigger. but when Dallas stopped Miami was the natural replacement at number 6
  10. bluetrain4

    bluetrain4 Legend

    Feb 2, 2007
    This was during the time when it was The Lipton Championships, correct?

    Anyway, a big prestigious tournament surely, but no, not a major.

    I can't understand why people can't accept a tournament - The WTC, the Lipton Championships, the Olympics - as an incredible, prestigious accomplishment, without trying to equate it with a major.

    I think part of the answer lies in the fact that when we debate GOAT and all-time greats and compare players' careers, no matter how much some people give lip service to the importance of other accomplishments beyond the 4 majors(which they certainly should), the fact is that the debate often devolves into a "count the majors" exercise in the end, since it's the one criteria that has been relatively consistent and something that nearly everyone recognizes (as compared to say certain WTC events). So, I think sometimes that's why people want to bestow major status on other tournaments.
  11. JMR

    JMR Professional

    Aug 15, 2012
    Good point, but it's "WCT" -- World Championship Tennis.
  12. glazkovss

    glazkovss Professional

    Jan 10, 2011
    Nowhere near. Miami Open doesn't have history. Miami isn't even a nation. It is a beach.
  13. underground

    underground Legend

    Apr 24, 2012
    Never ever. The only real major is Cincinnati. And we all know that Roger Federer a.k.a. the GOAT has won it 5 times.
  14. merlinpinpin

    merlinpinpin Hall of Fame

    Dec 8, 2011
    You can NOT be serious!

    Sure, Lendl won when Muster defaulted in the final in '89. On the other hand, the same Lendl had a stress fracture in his foot when Mecir won in '87 (basically the only time when Lendl didn't trounce him, and I guess the only reason Lendl played was that he owned Mecir body and soul... just like he owned Muster, so the result of the '89 final was never really in doubt) and Wilander, who was having the season of his life, won against a 36-year old Connors in '88. Do these really feel like they're much more significant than a w/o? (Besides, Lendl had to play an exhibition match against Hlasek on that day--which he lost 6/3, 6/4, if memory serves :D).
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012

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