I don't agree, Med was very focused today, unlike their final in IW. The court here suits him much better too. It would be a completely different game.
Miami Masters final: Daniil Medvedev vs. Jannik Sinner
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sliceroni
Hall of Fame
Meddy lol Feel like he didn’t like the woke up feeling sick excuse then replied back with sorry you were tired and had a tough semi final with Alcaraz while I was resting. I mean, not like Med had an extra day rest he played a tough 3 set day match earlier against Khachanov. Possibly overthinking it, but Med is the most witty and quick to call out ppl def my fav player that gets interviewed.
dapchai
Legend
Sinner is pretty good, but the semi match seemed to drain him out mentally and physically. I hope he'll win something too; guy's still a headcase atm.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
I think Medvedev gives by far the best interviews at the desk after matches.
Talking about how he's already prepping himself to not lose his mind once he's back on clay courts lol
Talking about how he's already prepping himself to not lose his mind once he's back on clay courts lol
Krish0608
G.O.A.T.
Not Sinner cra*ping his pants against Med yet again lol. This is what happens when you’re a one dimensional (extremely good) ball basher. You need to use the forecourt effectively against Medvedev. It’s ridiculous that Medvedev can get away with that court positioning. Unfortunately Sinner just not good enough. Neither does he have the genius of Carlos nor does he have the forecourt skills of a Kyrgios or Tsitsipas who played very smart against Med multiple times last year. Sinner needs to do better if he’s to be taken seriously. He’s owned by the Next Gen.
As it stands, he’s just a one dimensional player who matches up well against Carlos.
As it stands, he’s just a one dimensional player who matches up well against Carlos.
bluetrain4
G.O.A.T.
I didn't know Med had a kid. I missed that whenever it was announced. He mentioned it in his TC desk interview. Also, he's 27 now? Boy, time flies.
Picmun
Hall of Fame
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Well said. Sinner was completely out of his normal service rhythm today because he was forcing himself to come to serve & volley and it's so out of his comfort zone. It's a big reason I prefer Rune since he volleys pretty well and has more variety (and a better drop shot). Sinner knew the game plan before the match and simply didn't come close to executing it, possibly because of his physical issues.
Picmun
Hall of Fame
I'd agree but Sinner crushed The Anointed Teen and the final set was 6-2. No "genius" loses like that and 6-2 in the final set, anything else is just excuses.
Alcaraz had cramps in the 3rd set.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
He and Nadal had his kid at nearly the exact same time iirc
Both just about 9 months after their Australian Open final...
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
As you said those are not Sinner strenghts, maybe focus on his strenghts. improve the serve , BH, less ball bash on FH?
He got married quite young . Was only 22. Yes, time files.
I still remember his first match against Djokovic 2017 DC like it was yesterday
Ray Mercer
Hall of Fame
I don’t think improving the serve will help him much against Medvedev unless it’s learning how to hit a really good short slice serve. Medvedev stands so far back that increased power on the serve will do nothing. He needs to learn how to implement a short slice and volley which goes against how’s played his entire life. The fact is he’s a one dimensional baseliner. I wouldnt doubt it if even Federer at 42 could take down Medvedev with his variety.
BeatlesFan
Bionic Poster
Remember that Fed destroyed Med when he was 37 in the 2019 Miami R16, 6-4, 6-2.
The fact Sinner can't serve wide and volley short speaks volumes about his lack of variety. No excuse for this. Even Tsitsipas and Zverev could execute that game plan with success.
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
At Sinner's age Andy Murray was a masters champion. Djokovic was a slam champion and Nadal was firm world number 2. Federer already had made big name in grand slams. And Alcaraz being 2 years younger is world number 1. The sinner hype needs to stop.
AM75
Hall of Fame
A lot of them still thinks he‘s done.
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Slicehand
Guest
Losing 6-2 to sinner in a match doesnt mean you are not a genious, you cant win them all, you can have phisical problems, bad match up, etc, but there is a reason he has all those titles and rune and sinner dont, believe meI'd agree but Sinner crushed The Anointed Teen and the final set was 6-2. No "genius" loses like that and 6-2 in the final set, anything else is just excuses.
LaVie en Rose
Hall of Fame
So he can improve variety on his serve, that's serve improvement.
Building something he doesn't have in his game is process, not sure if he has ability .When push comes to shove I'm afraid he would make same errors , not trusting that segment of his game.As socal said he is too stiff
Fed with his variety was bad match up for Med no question about it. He won all 3 matches before Med was top 10 player though. I believe Med would continue to struggle if they played post Miami 2019
Also he lost badly to Hurkacz in his last match, hard to tell about hypotheticals
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Slicehand
Guest
Sinner has prodigious groundstrokes but his prodigy ends there, he has it in his hand to win big titles but he needs to have it in his heart and head too, i like the kid, just feel he lacks a bit of attitude
AM75
Hall of Fame
But it works only if you‘re Carlito, right? If you‘re not Alcaraz but has a bad day you‘re just a worthless sh**ty player.
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Slicehand
Guest
Not at all, and i never said that, but you know, if you have a bad day but you have won a slam and 3 masters playing an unbelievable tennis, even beating nadal djokovic and zverev in the same tournament, etc, is not the same as if you have a bad day and you keep losing finals and disapointing when it matters the most time and time again, unable to tie together a good week of tennis, i think its obvious
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Slicehand
Guest
Yeah get used to it, this place is quite dirty, medvedev is a unique and great player, and i personally love how he carries himself
Mainad
Bionic Poster
Title #19 for Medvedev (placing him joint 6th with Zverev on the Leaderboard of current ATP titlists) and 5th at Masters 1000 level (placing him joint 4th with Zverev on the Leaderboard of current Masters 1000 titlists).
It's his 4th ATP title this season making him the most titled player of the current top #10 this season. He is the 2nd Russian player to win the Miami Masters after Davydenko (2008). He has now won 19 titles in 19 different cities!
It's his 4th ATP title this season making him the most titled player of the current top #10 this season. He is the 2nd Russian player to win the Miami Masters after Davydenko (2008). He has now won 19 titles in 19 different cities!
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Winners or Errors
Legend
Looking at the highlights, it looks like a typical Sinner-Med match. Sinner couldn't hit through Med, and Med won... Nothing to look at here. When he's playing well, he really makes people beat him. I think the best approach is the approach Korda took at the AO, though Med wasn't playing that well at that point either.
AM75
Hall of Fame
Well,I love how all the Meddy haters ignore the fact, that it's not Alcaraz, but Meddy, who played in both Sunshine double finals.
-snake-
Hall of Fame
The SINNER era thing is just a meme. We know he's prone to choking and playing stinkers when it matters.
Picmun
Hall of Fame
Alcaraz has not just been called a genius... let's see now.
There was - and I quote " Better than Federer, Nadal, AND Djokovic ".
Guaranteed "17 year Career"
And "will win 400 slams".
When you have a predicted resume like that, off days are not on the cards.
The Teen GOAT lost to Choker Sinner. It not a good look for the "Best player since Nadal"
So I'm sorry, I don't buy " Genius " either. Good yes, but the rest is subjective Hype.
I know everyone wants a player to eclipse Fedalovic - but it aint Sinner and it aint The Anoited Teen either.
- Certainly not yet anyway !
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Slicehand
Guest
Well people do that, in every way of life, but if you dont think he is the best player after the big 3, who is then? I mean he got to number one and won masters and slams at 19, nobody has done that since nadal, you certainly cant put him in the same bag as sinner rune or aliassime since carlos is the youngest and has the most and more important titles, by a long shot, obviously nobody can predict how much he is gonna win, and it really doesnt matter now, we can only judge what he has done so far, and to me, well it looks very impressive, both what he has acomplished and how he has done itAlcaraz has not just been called a genius... let's see now.
There was - and I quote " Better than Federer, Nadal, AND Djokovic ".
Guaranteed "17 year Career"
And "will win 400 slams".
When you have a predicted resume like that, off days are not on the cards.
The Teen GOAT lost to Choker Sinner. It not a good look for the "Best player since Nadal"
So I'm sorry, I don't buy " Genius " either. Good yes, but the rest is subjective Hype.
I know everyone wants a player to eclipse Fedalovic - but it aint Sinner and it aint The Anoited Teen either.
- Certainly not yet anyway !
dking68
G.O.A.T.
Ye
Yes we get that, if Sinner had converted the damn MP at the USO he wouldve won the tournament. But its a damn IF. He needs to implement more variety
Picmun
Hall of Fame
Erm Andy Murray - I can hype like any of the idiots on here !
But seriously let's wait and see. Many young players promise, but fail to deliver. I'm sure Carlos is delivering and is going to entertain, but Feldalovic only come along 3 at once ! LOL !
I mean we've been spoiled, it's yet to be seen if the Anioted Teen will live up to all the hype.
I don't dispute he's very good indeed. I guess we are at cross purposes. I'm just saying Fedalovic comparisons are a little premature.
Picmun
Hall of Fame
The Sinner Hype !?
No mention of the Alcaraz Hype ? Sinner Crushes Alcaraz and the Sinner hype has to stop ??I think it's time for some serious Medvedev hype !
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Slicehand
Guest
Well if "delivering" to you means having a big 3 like career, then yeah, i would say thats quite difficult, but thats not my opinion, nobody doubts mcenroe, agassi or sampras are legendary players and they didnt win even half the slams of the big 3, numbers arent everything, the way you play against your peers in your era and how your tennis compare to theirs, is, in my opinion
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
I was always on Medvedev hype train. I thought he would end year at number 2 before AO started. But he did flop in AO and since then has been red hot. It will still come down to Medvedev and Alcaraz I believe for battle of year end number 2.The Sinner Hype !?
I think it's time for some serious Medvedev hype !
Winners or Errors
Legend
…or number 1. Djoker defending some points, no?
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
There is no way a healthy Djokovic yields to Medvedev who is levels below him. But sure it's possible if Djokovic suffers big injury.
btsjungkook
Professional
It's a ocd that a lot of the next gen players have especially Alcaraz.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
Why can't you outhit him with his chicken wing FH? He admited himself that his contact was late etc.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
He is incredibly talented because he has unconventional technique along with less topspin and yet he is more consistent from the back of the court on hard courts than almost anyone else. His footwork is also great and speed is very quick for a player of his height. I kept thinking early in his career that he would not be as consistent as he is, but if anything he keeps getting better especially on the BH wing where no one can out-rally him on hard courts. He can be overpowered on the FH wing by a few top players, but he changes angles well and switches long rallies to the BH wing quickly.
Alcaraz stayed disciplined during the IW final to keep redirecting rallies to the FH wing while Sinner lost his discipline early yesterday and started engaging in too many BH rallies. Medvedev had had great success against players with a strong BH like Djokovic, Sinner, Zverev etc., because they don’t avoid his BH and he then outlasts them on that wing - it is better to hit to his FH. Sinner also has no forecourt game to end points unlike Nadal, Djokovic, Alcaraz etc.
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tennisfan2166
Rookie
Right on. Great post.
Fintft
G.O.A.T.
True. Also, what intrigued me today, was that he was hitting, apparently, with more net cleareance than Sinner.
Nadal - GOAT
Hall of Fame
Totally Agree.. And regarding this particular match, I think Sinner was having an unusually bad day as well. He made too many UEs and his biggest strength in this matchup, return of serve, was missing for the most part. It was shocking to me that Med won so much of his 2nd serve points. Tactically Med played well by sticking to the baseline rallies and playing deep. He made it hard for Sinner to come to net frequently.
I think this kind of defeat will help Sinner as it highlights where he needs to improve. I expect him to work a lot on Drop shots/ Net game/ Serve in coming months. Over all Sinner has had a good couple of tournaments losing to the eventual winners in both. I believe he is progressing well despite what many here think.
socallefty
G.O.A.T.
Spin and trajectory are not always correlated. Nadal hits much higher trajectory balls than Federer, but Federer’s topspin RPM was not that much lower than Nadal. With flat balls, you can hit hard and low over the net or slower and higher trajectory to still get good depth. Medvedev kills people with depth and consistency while being able to hit higher pace winners when he opens up space on one side of the court.
tennisfan2166
Rookie
What big injury did Djokovic have in Dubai? Besides, Djokovic has now won two Slams with a big injury... perhaps you meant a small injury?
Picmun
Hall of Fame
Djoke is FINNISH !
;-)
Rovesciarete
Hall of Fame
The Meddy BH is something special, almost a stroke apart. He is able to keep it so deep and consistent, often from so far back. On fast, low bouncing cement it protects him so well against a great ball striker like Sinner. On clay it can't work quite that way and even on slower hard court it loses some quality.
Sinner is right to drive almost always because he is able to blow most guys off the court by his weight from both wings. Why should he give the other guy time when he can push up the pressure?
Still I would love to see some more slices in his game because only by doing it in games he will learn.
Sinner is right to drive almost always because he is able to blow most guys off the court by his weight from both wings. Why should he give the other guy time when he can push up the pressure?
Still I would love to see some more slices in his game because only by doing it in games he will learn.
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robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Wow, you would have thought that semifinal match would have opened up a few eyes around here, but I see we are back to the same old unrealistic nonsense.
Sinner's biggest mistake was getting into long rallies with Medvedev in the first couple of games, but you could see that Medvedev was on the limit as well. I've never seen him breathing so hard or deliberating letting the serve clock run down to catch his breath. Could have been a really interesting match.
But yeah, Alcaraz lost badly to Sinner (tennis wise AND physically), but he's such a genius, right? I mean, deciding to use a drop shot against a player that is deep in the court is some real next level thinking, right? If only we could get Carlos to work on renewable energy, rather such earth shattering concepts as mixing short balls with long balls.
Yeah, in case you missed it, he crushed Alcraz. And in case you don't know how these tournaments work, you only get to lose once...
Put him in his place? The kid was a shell of himself, and still competed pretty well. You should watch some interviews with him. He's been making steady progress, and will continue to do so. No drawing board needed.
Oh, yeah, totally. That's all he has. I guess he has played Alcaraz like 20 something consecutive times lately prior to this final, right? Because getting to the SF and F of the Sunshine double as the #10 seed was just matches against Alcaraz, right? All his other good results in the past were only against Alcaraz, right?
So he beats the guy everyone thinks is the best player in the world right now (aside from the mysteries that are Djokovic and Nadal), and you just want to dismiss that to repeat some generic cliche? Cool. Very deep.
Finally, a reasonable take. It's a bad matchup for him, but he actually looked fine early in the match before it became clear that he wasn't fit.
Sinner's biggest mistake was getting into long rallies with Medvedev in the first couple of games, but you could see that Medvedev was on the limit as well. I've never seen him breathing so hard or deliberating letting the serve clock run down to catch his breath. Could have been a really interesting match.
Stop making sense! The lunatics in here hate that!
What Sinner hype? Can you read?
How many more titles does Alcaraz have? What is their H2H? Head to head in grand slams? That match at the USO was super close, and you knew whomever won was going to beat Rudd in the final. Meanwhile, Sinner dusts Alcaraz at Wimbledon and has to face Djokovic.
But yeah, Alcaraz lost badly to Sinner (tennis wise AND physically), but he's such a genius, right? I mean, deciding to use a drop shot against a player that is deep in the court is some real next level thinking, right? If only we could get Carlos to work on renewable energy, rather such earth shattering concepts as mixing short balls with long balls.
Oh, only groundstrokes? Was it just his groundstrokes that left Alcaraz flat on his back after losing the cat and mouse point of the year? How many of those "tricky" points did Sinner win? Seemed like more than enough.
Exactly. Just a "bad day" for Alcaraz, and yet Sinner looks absolutely hollow behind the eyes after 2 games, but everything is normal because he is terrible and a "choker." I mean, only a choker would come back from a break down in that second set against Alcaraz, who definitely didn't choke, right?
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Slicehand
Guest
excuse me? how many more titles? oh yeah at wimbledon he has to face novak, and in miami medvedev who carlos just beat the week before to win his 3rd masters title, the match at uso was close yeah, its not alcaraz fault that sinner cant close matches, maybe thats why alcaraz has 3 masters and a slam and sinner has 1 atp 500 as bigest title, really, after how bad he lost yesterday to the mad lad, you should be more quiet
robyrolfo
Hall of Fame
Are you completely incapable of being objective, or do you just like to embarrass yourself? You think playing Djokovic at Wimbledon isn't difficult? Do you even know this sport? Maybe you just ignore the grass because Alcaraz still seems completely lost on it? And Medvedev was complaining about the IW courts from day 1, basically saying he didn't care and just wanted to move on. You think playing him on a fast hard court is the same?
But really, why does it matter. Just three days ago Sinner completely destroyed Alcaraz. Not only did he play better tennis, he completely broke Alcaraz down physically, which is HUGE. The main area where Alcaraz seemed completely superior to everyone else, and Sinner managed to bring it all down with a single match. And EVERYONE was watching. Did you hear Medvedev when he shook Sinner's hand? He basically was thanking Sinner for showing everyone else on the tour that Alcaraz gets tired too, no matter how good he is at hiding it. And even if doing so was so difficult for Sinner physically that he lost the final, it's still a really important accomplishment.
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