Miami may lose Masters 1000 event.

NBP said:
So if it's gone by 2017 and Djokovic hasn't won Cincy by then, he's back to 7/9 amirite?
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Nope, he will always be a winner of 8/9 irrespective of what may happen to Miami. To say otherwise, is the same as saying that titles won at former events no longer count once that event has come to an end. Do Federer and Nadal's Hamburg Masters titles no longer count now that Hamburg no longer has Masters 1000 status? Does Tommy Haas no longer hold a Masters title because he won it in Stuttgart before it relocated to Madrid? No, of course not.
 
Mainad said:
Nope, he will always be a winner of 8/9 irrespective of what may happen to Miami. To say otherwise, is the same as saying that titles won at former events no longer count once that event has come to an end. Do Federer and Nadal's Hamburg Masters titles no longer count now that Hamburg no longer has Masters 1000 status? Does Tommy Haas no longer hold a Masters title because he won it in Stuttgart before it relocated to Madrid? No, of course not.
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Woah relax there Mainad! I asked because it seems to be the view of the ATP. Federer had 6/9 back in September 2014 before winning Shanghai. That was even when he had won the same slot in Madrid 8 years prior. It's a very loose subject and the ATP need to clarify because I kid you not when Miami is gone and Djokovic hasn't won Cincinnati they will say he now has 7/9. I'm not saying it is right, I'm calling it as I see it.
 
NBP said:
Woah relax there Mainad! I asked because it seems to be the view of the ATP. Federer had 6/9 back in September 2014 before winning Shanghai. That was even when he had won the same slot in Madrid 8 years prior. It's a very loose subject and the ATP need to clarify because I kid you not when Miami is gone and Djokovic hasn't won Cincinnati they will say he now has 7/9. I'm not saying it is right, I'm calling it as I see it.
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Do you have a link where the ATP says this? I must admit, they are not always up to date or correct in their facts.
 
Hitman said:
Don't forget the WTF also.

But if you are looking at Europe, then compare it continent to continent, not continent to one country. N America has four masters.
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What will be the most popular place to attract viewers for WTF, London is one of the best places already any other places?
 
Novak will equal Agassi this year, maybe given a chance, could do 7 next and then they will close Miami.

Novak is the best there. This beatdown was very tasty. Nadal losing in 4 finals was great for tennis as well.

 
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ATP does not have any excuse to not add a grass masters if Miami is scrapped. I do understand that it is financially viable for ATP to host another hard court or clay masters, but they have enough money at their disposal and for once they can think of adding a grass masters.
 
I always liked the Miami Masters, so this is too bad IMO. I wonder if they'll pick up a smaller tournament for that facility. As to where the event goes, there are all sorts of options. But, does it have to be in the same spot on the calendar? Indians Wells doesn't really need to be followed immediately by another Masters.

As someone said, this could be the time for a grass masters, but there's still the issue of no place having the required facilities for it and I doubt anyone is going to build a new grass facility that meets Masters specs. The easiest thing to do would have the ATP waive those requirements and just make sure that its a Masters financially - with a certain level of overall funding and a certain level of prize money. But, the facility issue is important because you'd have to play all those matches, more than any current non-Wimbledon grass tournament, and probably both genders, on a limited number of courts -- unless a facility expands.

Everyone longs for a grass masters, and, of course, it makes sense since there is a grass major. But, I don't see it happening.
 
I like the idea of a grass 1000 with an extension of the grass season by moving the clay up.

But doubt it will happen. I'm sure the tourney directors would cry about losing 'their traditional week'. So the Rio move makes more sense. But they're going to have to get serious $$$$ commitments - not sure the Brazil economy can provide that.

The NIMBYs in S Florida are pathetic. I feel bad for our TW board member tennis fans there. But as others said, because of scheduling - and Larry buying IW and plowing $$$ into it - this was probably going to happen.

I hope the ATP moves on this and doesn't wait on the WTA - given the sad state of the leadership of that outfit nothing good will happen.
 
My vote: get rid of anything in South Florida. I live here. It is hot, miserably humid, a true hell-hole to play tennis in most of the year. Tallahassee, where I went to school, is so much cooler and nicer, but obviously there is never going to be a tournament there.

It's going to be 85F tomorrow here, again.
 
Gary Duane said:
My vote: get rid of anything in South Florida. I live here. It is hot, miserably humid, a true hell-hole to play tennis in most of the year. Tallahassee, where I went to school, is so much cooler and nicer, but obviously there is never going to be a tournament there.

It's going to be 85F tomorrow here, again.
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How has Nole done so well in these hot conditions in Miami? I thought he don't like hot conditions?
 
xFedal said:
How has Nole done so well in these hot conditions in Miami? I thought he don't like hot conditions?
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No idea. I have no idea how ANY one plays well down here. We also get more wind in the spring than any other time of year, but fortunately less rain, on average.

The killer here is the dew point. Right now it is 74.
 
Hitman said:
Don't forget the WTF also.

But if you are looking at Europe, then compare it continent to continent, not continent to one country. N America has four masters.
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Yeah, but 3 of them are rather crappy and barely worth being called a Masters event. Only Indian Wells is worth a damn, the others pretty much suck! Cincy is getting better, but it's in Cincinnati so who cares? Of all the places to have a Masters event, why a random ass city like Cincinnati?
 
Alternatively move it else where in Florida at the same time or add a 1000 in Africa/S America/Asia
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I am surprised that Las Vegas has never been thought about in 1000 Masters. Dry desert is ideal and brings in lots of tourists.

They should play in Disney World if they want to find another location in Florida.

Mexico should host a 1000 Masters Series, since the sun can be brutal I think Mexico City would be ideal.
 
I'm sick of the post AO Dubai/IW/Miami stretch pointlessness that leads to nothing. I can't wait for the clay to start after the AO which is rough since it's 2 1/2 months to Monte Carlo.
 
tennis_commentator said:
Not that anyone pays attention to masters results anyways. History will only remember the following-
Federer = 17
Nadal = 14 (plus the slams he wins in future)
Djokovic = 10
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I agree Nadal will likely win at least 1 more slam, however Djokovic will almost certainly win more as well
 
Miami suffers for being so close to IW maybe just move it to a different part of the calendar all together.

Also this is a good 20 minutes drive from Miami at least SoBE so that doesnt really help. Yeah I understand- the jets and giants play in new jersey. But have heard some people disappointed it isnt closer
 
125downthemiddle said:
I'm sick of the post AO Dubai/IW/Miami stretch pointlessness that leads to nothing. I can't wait for the clay to start after the AO which is rough since it's 2 1/2 months to Monte Carlo.
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It's just the next week for you to wait for Quito, the first stop on the Golden Swing.
 
Miami conditions are really tough, the humidity in the area can drain your energy very quickly. I have competed in Miami in a few bodybuilding fitness shows, so I know how hard it is to put yourself through physical exertion out there. Not sure where the tournament will go, but I do think the players will be happy that they won't need to deal with such brutal conditions.
 
Hitman said:
Miami conditions are really tough, the humidity in the area can drain your energy very quickly. I have competed in Miami in a few bodybuilding fitness shows, so I know how hard it is to put yourself through physical exertion out there. Not sure where the tournament will go, but I do think the players will be happy that they won't need to deal with such brutal conditions.
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Key Biscayne was never an ideal venue for tennis due to severe wind conditions that plague its bay island location. I went one year in the early 90's and froze during a night match (Boetsch vs Spadea) in the midst of a record cold front that blew through the entire state.
 
stringertom said:
Key Biscayne was never an ideal venue for tennis due to severe wind conditions that plague its bay island location. I went one year in the early 90's and froze during a night match (Boetsch vs Spadea) in the midst of a record cold front that blew through the entire state.
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I agree. The location isn't really ideal for tennis. Those night matches can get rather cold some days, and extremely sticky another.
 
stringertom said:
Key Biscayne was never an ideal venue for tennis due to severe wind conditions that plague its bay island location. I went one year in the early 90's and froze during a night match (Boetsch vs Spadea) in the midst of a record cold front that blew through the entire state.
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Only a true fan would freeze their ass off to watch Boetsch vs Spadea.

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I'm not opposed to a replacement grasscourt Masters in theory, but the practical reality is it would require a lot of scheduling adjustments (particularly to the spring claycourt season) that make it very unlikely. Even if Miami is replaced by another HC M1000, I really think the ATP should take this opportunity to diversify the geographical range of its big tournaments. Right now, out of the 14 biggest tournaments (Slams, WTF, plus 9 M100s), only 2 (AO + Shanghai) are outside of Europe and North America. That really should change.

The timing on the calendar would be right for a South American Masters (mostly likely in Rio, which would make even more sense after the Olympics are held there) after Indian Wells or maybe a M1000 in the Mid-East either before or after Indian Wells. Dubai is right before Indian Wells in the calendar as is, so that might not require as many schedule changes as the other options.
 
Elektra said:
I am surprised that Las Vegas has never been thought about in 1000 Masters. Dry desert is ideal and brings in lots of tourists.
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That's actually not a bad idea. My top wishes for the Miami tournament would be

1) Leave it where and when it currently is, but change the surface to green clay (to signify the start of the clay-court season)

2) Move it to Berlin, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Seattle, change the surface to grass, and change the schedule to start before Wimbledon

3) Cancel the event and simply upgrade the Dubai Open to a Masters 1000 (played at the same venue/surface)

4) Move it to Las Vegas, and change the surface to fast hard court
 
captainbryce said:
That's actually not a bad idea. My top wishes for the Miami tournament would be

1) Leave it where and when it currently is, but change the surface to green clay (to signify the start of the clay-court season)

2) Move it to Berlin, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Seattle, change the surface to grass, and change the schedule to start before Wimbledon

3) Cancel the event and simply upgrade the Dubai Open to a Masters 1000 (played at the same venue/surface)

4) Move it to Las Vegas, and change the surface to fast hard court
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Four clay court masters in a row? I think that is a little too much.

I think grass is a great suggestion, and if they can somehow convince RG to move one week forward, just like they got W to move one week back, they can easily fit a grass masters in there, and with the there being a month between RG and W, that event can happen anywhere really.

Dubai getting it also seems logical, since their event runs like a masters anyway with the calibre of players that play it every year.

Vegas is good, I think they had a tournament there once, but it was not successful so they shut it down.
 
Dubai is (currently) out - for those who haven't been there the venue is not big (only the prize money is) - it's more like a 250 event - and there is no room to grow. They'd have to start building now to be ready for 2017.

Vegas is intriguing - the attempt at a 250 (with the Round Robin format) was destined to fail - February is too cold; end of March, early April would probably be ok. And I'm sure tennis fans from around the world would love to combine the 'activities' and come (with a 1000 level field). But land prices went up during the big real estate drive in the 2000's - not sure they've come down enough to buy enough land to build a complex. The Darling facility is tiny.

I'll throw one out - Dallas. Used to be a huge tennis town back in the day. I bet the Texas fans from all over the state would support it. Get some billionaire like Jerry Jones to throw in money for a site...
 
Hitman said:
Four clay court masters in a row? I think that is a little too much.
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Good point! I take it back...

Hitman said:
I think grass is a great suggestion, and if they can somehow convince RG to move one week forward, just like they got W to move one week back, they can easily fit a grass masters in there, and with the there being a month between RG and W, that event can happen anywhere really.
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One can only DREAM! :)

Hitman said:
Dubai getting it also seems logical, since their event runs like a masters anyway with the calibre of players that play it every year.
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That's why I mentioned it. It's already a dual gender event with some of the best draws. I also like the surface they use better than the one Miami uses now.

Hitman said:
Vegas is good, I think they had a tournament there once, but it was not successful so they shut it down.
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Correct. It was marketed as the "Tennis Channel Open" for 3 years, and won by James Blake, Lleyton Hewitt, and Sam Querry. It was the equivalent of an ATP 250 event played in late Februrary, and sold in 2008, with its play week going to Davis Cup. But if they upgraded it to a Masters 1000, made it dual gender, upgraded the facility, and moved it to Miami's current slot in the calendar I think it'd be much more successful.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_Channel_Open

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Miami's demise means the Clay season will begin a week earlier.
It will then be tempting to replace Indian Wells with another clay masters.
Maybe convert Indian Wells to clay, considering RAFA is such good friends with Larry.

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captainbryce said:
That's actually not a bad idea. My top wishes for the Miami tournament would be

1) Leave it where and when it currently is, but change the surface to green clay (to signify the start of the clay-court season)

2) Move it to Berlin, Amsterdam, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, or Seattle, change the surface to grass, and change the schedule to start before Wimbledon

3) Cancel the event and simply upgrade the Dubai Open to a Masters 1000 (played at the same venue/surface)

4) Move it to Las Vegas, and change the surface to fast hard court
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I agree that Miami should be changed into a clay court tournament and it will stand out from Indian Wells by being the biggest clay court tournament in America.

It rains a lot in Seattle though. Indian Wells is the biggest tournament for California, no sense in having in the Los Angeles. I would say Denver, the high altitude will be a challenge to the players and Denver is known to be outdoorsy city. Berlin would be a good location and they have good infrastructure. Johannesburg has high crime rate, maybe Capetown, South Africa.
 
West Coast Ace said:
Dubai is (currently) out - for those who haven't been there the venue is not big (only the prize money is) - it's more like a 250 event - and there is no room to grow. They'd have to start building now to be ready for 2017.

Vegas is intriguing - the attempt at a 250 (with the Round Robin format) was destined to fail - February is too cold; end of March, early April would probably be ok. And I'm sure tennis fans from around the world would love to combine the 'activities' and come (with a 1000 level field). But land prices went up during the big real estate drive in the 2000's - not sure they've come down enough to buy enough land to build a complex. The Darling facility is tiny.

I'll throw one out - Dallas. Used to be a huge tennis town back in the day. I bet the Texas fans from all over the state would support it. Get some billionaire like Jerry Jones to throw in money for a site...
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I would go for Dallas and the Texas fans are very passionate about their sports.
 
First choice, Hawaii (any surface). Second choice, grass (almost anywhere). Hawaii grass would be the dream, but a tough fit geographically.
 
stringertom said:
Forgive my American bias, but I would like to keep that Masters/Premier tourney here in the U.S. Maybe the good folks in Broward/Palm Beach tennis crazy South Florida will come to the rescue but it won't be grass courts or anytime other than April.

If it's grass in late Spring/early Summer, it'll have to be in Europe. Stuttgart has the room to expand their facility to accommodate an ATP/WTA combined event.
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we are losing status in the States with this one if it goes....this was bigger than IW for years and is an exciting event...need a young american superstar on men's and women's side or it will continue...not flashes in the pan either....#1's/multiple majors (post-Serena-Venus talking)

certainly not going to be grass at that time of year...if Stuttgart wants to go back to clay... :)
 
Chicharito said:
Africa does need a tournament.

I would like to see the WTF move, do a few 2 year spells in places such as India, South Africa, Brazil. If it has to go to Doha twice to cover their losses then so be it.
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good idea...I think this will happen in the future
 
Seth said:
Selfishly, I wish it would stay as I'm only three hours away.

Now I'm only left with the Delray Beach 250.
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kind of symbolizes american tennis right now, or in the future even...cars on the court

maybe Gulbis can drive a hot chick away from the court to the life of her dreams after he wraps up another one
 
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