Discussion in 'Strings' started by mikeler, Oct 8, 2010.
how does power compare with Babolat Origin ?
Not sure, never used Origin. That's why I'm looking forward to some experienced reviews of HDX Tour. I've only used 3 multis in my life (HDX Tour, Prince Premier Control, and Head RIP Control). So I can't offer much in the way of comparisons to other multis. I can tell you that (for me) HDX Tour beats PPC and RIPC in every category...except durability. RIPC will last forever.
I've used a few polys (Tourna Black Zone, Tourna Black 7, and Klipper Power Burst)...and I think HDX Tour plays like a powerful poly. Crisp feel, good spin, and no string movement.
Impressive stuff anyway.. I wonder why Tecnifibre promotes it as something to be put on light frames - perhaps in order to absorb impact better, which is important for the low mass racquets.
maybe it is very powerful ? more than X-1 ?
It is more powerful than poly I've tried...so I think they recommend it for lighter racquets because lighter racquets have less power on their own. So HDX would make up for that to some degree.
Although they suggest HDX for racquets under 300g, and mine is over 300g...and I still like it. A little extra power and comfort (compared to a poly) is nice, regardless of how much your racquet weighs.
Never tried it.
I would think due to its better elasticity gut is pretty immune to shanks unless it it right at at grommet.
Ashaway MonoGut ZX is extremely elastic yet prone to breakage from shanks.
Gut is not immune to shanks. I've done it. I certainly don't hit as hard as Federer, and needless to say, I'm nowhere near as clean a hitter.
Fuji's point, though, is quite valid. Gut is definitely more durable than synthetic multifilament.
Definitely. I hit pretty big, and gut can play well for a while, but for me one good shank and that's it. It doesn't even have to be that close to the grommet. I've broken 3-4 crosses away from the top just on an off center forehand.
That being said, gut is way more durable than syn gut. I've broken quite syngut quite a bit easier simply because syn gut doesn't wear down, it just kind of bags out then snaps in a couple hours.
Bags out is a great term. You know that day you are going for the Last Ride with that set.
Haha yes! I've never experienced that with gut, but with syngut you just KNOW that it's on life support those last couple hits.
More than once NG unraveled and broke in the bag. Once sitting, not hitting. Had a life of its own.
I've only had gut do that to me a couple times. It happened once in the middle of the night while my bag was near my bed. Scared the heck out of me for sure haha!
One of the most disappointing feelings as a player was when I strung up some cheap gut. I went out to hit a few serves immediately afterwards and it felt great. It got put back in the bag for a match the next day and when I pulled it out for the warm-up, same thing happened to me.
Guys sitting next to that racquet jumped up as if an anaconda slithered out.
I've had the same experience with cheap gut. The gut did not last very long at all. Most broke so badly when just being strung the stringer could not get even a half set out of some. The set(s) that did last through the stringing process maybe, maybe lasted ( at most) one set. Most broke either in the first set, when pulling the racquet out of my racquet bag the string was broken.
The only cheaper gut I have used that is lasting is Mamba gut. However, Mamba has stopped selling get, for now, because they could not get consistency of the gut strings. So far, for me, I have gotten 20 hour out of a half set ( mains) in a DNX 10 I use off and on. It has been strung up since September but I had the gut string for longer than that.
Tried proportional stringing, the sound when a string broke was epic!
My only experience with cheap gut was that stuff PVAudio sent me. I tried it as a full bed and it snapped in my bag. The only success I had was using it as a half set. It was nice but not worth the stringing hassle and cost for me.
Exactly right! The hassle and cost is not worth it. I have to pay a stringer so when one breaks so shortly the cheap cost of the string is not so cheap. I gain nothing in return for using cheap gut.
What is the best value multifilament (for the home stringer), targeted for the Female doubles club player wishing power, feel & touch, reasonable durability, & reasonable tension maintenance? Thanks!
My Favorite ........
My favorite is Prince Premier Control 17.
Reasonable price , good durability, excellent playability.
that's good, but I think PPC has a bit of a "plastic-y" feel. I prefer
TF Multifeel or Gamma Live Wire XP or Tourna Quasi Gut for the mid priced
All pretty good, Live wire is a little expensive, prefer Quasi of those you mention ..... to keep costs down I often string PPC mains and Alpha Gut 2000 crosses (love the alpha as a cross, not as a full bed and it is only $6 a set)
X1 Biphase if they can afford it.
NRG2 is a good pay-2-get-3 deal from TWE
Live Wire XP $13
Quasi Gut Armour $9
funny thing is, the other day I demo'd a racquet and didn't look at the strings...I thought they felt "plastic-y" but thought it was a black poly. I looked later and it was PPC. That string just feels weird and different to me. Can't explain it. Like a syngut kind of feel. Just blah. Of the ones I mentioned, the Live Wire feels the best to me and it comes in a nice black color too.
Wilson NXT. I only say this because back when I was buying older models of the Wilson (racket) 90s off of EEBBay some came with NXT (original) in a full bed. It was clear that the string was in there for a longtime. To my surprise the string played great. Control, feel and power when I wanted it.
Anyone tried Signum Micronite?
I am looking for strings for the wife to get her into tennis and thinking multi's with good power and tension maintenance and reasonably priced.
So far in my readings micronite has some very good reviews.
Check out post #1 of this thread for links to all my multi reviews. Micronite was my favorite out of them all. Discho Microfibre seems to be the same string, so choose whatever is cheaper.
Are you a heavy topspin player mikeler? I play all court with moderate spin on both sides, and I am currently on 30 hours of play with Bab Tonic+ gut mains/Wilson Revolve crosses, tension meter on RacquetTune has dropped from 52.7 (strung 55m50c so pretty dang close) to 45.2. Only ~7lb tension loss in 30h to me is GOAT. But if you snap the gut too fast cause of the spin you use, whole different story.
For me, that tension maintenance and durability is making this actually a cheaper setup than using poly and stringing it every 10h... If you have to pay a stringer it will actually make the math work out better.
I'm a heavy topspin player (no fat jokes please). Gut/poly lasted a while for me but I don't like the softer string in the mains. Poly/gut in my previous frames was nice but not that much better than poly/multi hybrids. In my current frame, full poly is best so that is what I've been using for the last 18 months or so.
Thanks Mikeler, I missed that one. Thought it was a review for Discho only. Will try it out on my old PS95 Blx for the mrs. Cheers!
Ah, if you don't like the feel that's a totally different point altogether.... You're still using the Exo3 Tour?
Im trying to decide what to use in my POG mid 14x18. Full poly is almost too much spin. Would you recommend poly mains multi or cross or vice versa?
I'm a POG Mid user. I really enjoy Cyclone Tour in that racquet.
Are you using a shaped/rough poly? Try round poly
I had a brief try with rough mains with syn gut cross. Try that too. Might give your more pop to place the ball deeper in the court.
Not anymore. See my signature below.
Poly mains and multi crosses may be a good start but with that open a pattern, the multi might not last long. I like Cyclone Tour and so does dj in your racket, so maybe start there.
Thanks, thats what I was thinking. I break ALU power 125 in 2-3 hours too though. Ive heard god things about cyclone but I havent been the biggest fan of twisted strings like that. How does regular cyclone compare?
Cyclone is shaped and like a thicker version of Weiss Cannon B5E. It is stiff, low powered and spinny but only lasted 4 sets in my 16 x 16 frame. Cyclone Tour is soft, medium powered and spinny but lasts 3-4 times as long as Cyclone for me. Even though they are quite different, both are good string especially for the cost.
I can't say how much longer it will last compared to ALU power. I usually pref 17g in most racquets. The POG Mid I like it but also play with 16g. If you can get, look for 15 or 15L.
For me, I'm not a string breaker. Play mostly doubles and also get bored and blame the string
Mikeler, can you comment on what some people (in a thread I started) are saying about multis locking up polys in a hybrid setup? Also if multis are in mains they will break easily?
Is there a cheap alternative to biphase x-one?
Is there any multis out there that is More powerful than natural gut ??
No X-one is quite unique. Don't worry about strings locking up and moving out of place. That is such a small component of spin generation IMHO.
Why is that ?? We can send a man to Mars very soon and create phone on your wrist and average lifespan went up by 20 years. but we can't make a Multi just as powerful and good as natural gut ??
Try Monogut ZX?
What's the point if it will cost the same?
it got lower power rating from TW than X-1 biphase(90) and Origin(88).
Monogut got power rating of 85. so is it still the most powerful ?
There are plenty of natural things out there that are so good that no synthetic material can truly imitate.
From experience with NG and ZX, not Origin or X-1, closest to NG.
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