Discussion in 'Strings' started by mikeler, Oct 8, 2010.
Touché. I completely understand not wanting to give up the flat shot.
yep, thats rip! it will make you fall in love with heavy spin shots.
speaking of top spin, I just got a new volkl pb 815 for only 60$ ( couldn't resist the price) and I would say it feels and plays pretty much like a pdr. but now I need sting a little softer due to ra stiffness 70 hurt my arm a little.
I gotta say, I love the power and control of the pb8, but it is seriously stiff in the throat. and stung with tnt2 it was brutally stiff. I'm gonna try intellitour to soften it up since I already like rip. what else can I use to soften up the pb8 but still get the spin I want without using a poly?
I needed to soften up my AG200 a little bit, so I took the advice of a poster here and added an inch of lead tape below the balance point of the racquet. I ended up putting it in the bottom of the throat so it wouldn't deaden the racquet's feel to much. It feels a little softer and more solid now.
MSV Soft Control 1.25
Here is a blind test I did of the MSV Soft Control 1.25 ~ 3 years ago. It is a nice multifilament. The string construction at that time was described as a compostion of 1400 multifilaments and 3 strong monofilaments.
MSV Soft-Control 1.25
“Blindtest String6” – Multifilament 1.25
Racquet, String, and Stringing Style: The test was done with a Vantage 321110 racquet (100 sq. in., 16x19, 63 RA, 27”, 320 g., 12 pts. HL – unstrung specifications). My current, preferred string set-up is a poly hybrid of Unique Tourna Poly Big Hitter 1.25 mains and Prince Original Synthetic Gut 17 crosses at a 55 lb. constant pull reference tension. My preferred multifilament string is Signum Pro Fiber High TEC EXP 1.25 because of a slightly lower power and more muted feel. A Jay Cee stringing style was used with a Beers ERT 300, Marc R Freqmess and String Meter stringbed tension measures for the initial stringing. The Beers ERT 300 is used for follow-up DT measurements. The play test was done as a full stringbed of Blindtest String6 1.25 at a constant pull reference tension of 59 lb.
Stringing Machine: Stringing was done on an Alpha Pioneer DC Plus drop weight stringer (six point mount, fixed spring assist swivel clamps).
Blindtest String6 set length: 12.37 m; Color: Natural
Blindtest String6 Gauge (pre-stringing): 1.28mm (range of 1.27 – 1.29 mm)
Blindtest String6 Gauge (@ 59lb. reference tension): 1.24mm (range 1.22-1.25mm)
Blindtest String6 Mass Density (mu): 1.49 g/m.
ERT 300 (immediately after stringing): DT (dynamic tension) = 37kp/cm.
Marc R Freqmess (immediately after stringing): DT (dynamic tension) =41.7 lb.
ERT 300 (15 hours, 2 hour hit): DT=35kp/cm
ERT 300 (24 hours): DT=35kp/cm
ERT 300 (39 hours, 2 hour hit): DT=36kp/cm
ERT 300 (183 hours): DT=34kp/cm
String Meter (immediately after stringing): Mains=46.5 (average of 10 center mains),
Crosses=28.7 (average of 11 center crosses).
Stringing Data: two piece stringing, slight pre-stretch of the Blindtest String6, constant pull reference tension = 59 lb.
Stringing Observations: Coil memory was not bad, especially after the light pre-stretch, solid feel to the string during the pre-stretch, comfortable string to handle, easy to string and weave, some ghosting of the string from the clamps, a good bit of string stretch in bringing the string to reference tension, the knots were fine, string gauge variation was good/controlled, string behavior was typical of a multifilament string. The reference tension could have been 1-2 pounds higher as the dynamic tension/stringbed stiffness value at the completion of stringing was a little lower than anticipated.
Additional String Performance Comments:
These comments are based on the first four hours of play (weather has stopped further play for now).I found the string to be very comfortable, not soft/mushy at all, a little less crisp than Tecnifibre X-One Biphase, but a very pleasant string. Blindtest String6 is on par with other quality multifilaments (Signum Pro Fiber High TEC EXP, Tecnifibre X-One Biphase, Wilson NXT Tour/OS/Max). The test string has good power (controllable), a nice feel, and good control. Volleys were solid and the string served well. Spin generation was good, as long as you were careful with technique. As I have been playing a poly/synthetic gut hybrid as of late, I found the full stringbed of multifilament to be a great exercise in focusing on your footwork and stroke technique – failure in either would result in the string’s power overriding all with the result being the ball flying. This is not the strings fault and really helps one focus on their game – especially me in not being late with my one hand backhand (this is where poly has spoiled me). With this test string, my backhand slice was very controlled with great feel. I have noted some string movement (mains and crosses), but nothing objectionable to this point. The tension maintenance has been good thus far. Also, I would probably increase my reference tension by 1-2 lb. in future play of this string.
Play was on a hard court surface, with Dunlop Grand Prix/Championship and Gamma permanent pressure balls. The evaluation was done with a ball machine in day hours in a 58-70 degree F temperature range.
The Blindtest String6 has performed well through the first fours hours of play. It appears to be a quality multifilament – very comfortable with good feel, control, and power that is manageable. I would (to this test point) recommend this string to anyone looking for a comfortable, slightly crisp multifilament string with good play characteristics.
I never even considered using lead on the throat. where did you learn this? anyway, I was thinking about wrapping a few extra wristband on my wrist. i makes sense to me that all that soft cotton on my wrist would absorb vibration before it gets to my elbow? kinda like cortex for a the forearm.
But what I said really works. Don't knock it 'til you try it. It was discussed in the TT racquet forum.
You could try Hexy Fiber but it may not last long in that stick.
Thanks for the review.
I strung up MSV Soft Control 16g last night. Pretty easy to work with, as mentioned above there is some ghosting. Seems crisp yet soft with the old ball bounce test. Also "feels" like a high quality string. I tried to look for the 3 strands of poly on the outside but could only spot 1 clear piece. Let me break SuperCable Pro and then I'll try this one out. I'm sure I'll hit a few balls with it before I go into live competition.
You're absolutely right on that, especially if you like to swing out consistently.
I'm finding that on the days when I'm hitting out in front consistently like I should be, then it becomes a non-issue but on the days when I'm not, I better have a control string on a backup stick or hope that I hit a whole bunch of service and return winners...which we all know how well that strategy works out.
Yep, with Maxim Touch it was live and die by the serve. If my first serve was going in everything was fine if I could steal a break or two. Days when my serve was off I was getting pummeled.
Yea, I find two-piece easier anyhow. I tried one-piece a few times and all that extra handling of string in the beginning (30' long side), was not worth the effort to instead just cut the set in half and tie two extra knots. Plus, my Head sticks actually require two-piece anyway due to some kind of manufacturer's recommendation.
If you ever want to trade away something you may not need, I have a few sets of Power Fiber 17. I may try it someday...
I don't have much to trade unfortunately unless you want to try some Genesis Thunder Blast or Black 5 Edge.
Have you tried Prince Premier Attack?
Not yet, but I have a pack of it next to my stringer. Probably will test it out in a month or so.
Got in 2 sets with SuperCable Pro. Great control on groundies and nice touch. Not sure about on serves just yet but I played very well with it. Played 1 game with MSV control and it felt better on the few serves I hit.
Awesome Information. Thanks a lot for taking time.
AWESOME... JUST AWESOME! Thanks mate!
^^^ I'll be adding 8 more reviews over the next few months.
Decided to hit with MCS today since I was going to be playing longer than normal. I'm glad I did because after almost 3 sets of singles and a set of dubs that went to 10-8 in the breaker, my elbow feels just fine.
After recently playing with natty, I was wishing I'd strung MCS a few pounds lower. Was struggling to get pace on my serve.
The MCS barely made it through the day. The outer sheath came off at 1 intersection. Since I know that string well, I cut it out since breakage was eminent. I cut it right at the weak point and a piece almost got me in the eye! RacquetTune showed just a 5 pound drop in tension but who cares. This string is just not very durable.
Not sure what I will put in next...
Got in 2 more sets with Weiss Cannon SuperCable Pro yesterday. RacquetTune said it had lost 15% tension BEFORE I played. I'll measure it again today. MSV Control has lost 12% tension with just 1 game of play.
Strung up Tecnifibre XR1 on Saturday. Feels nice just bouncing balls off it.
Those numbers don't surprise me one bit. You'll be seeing your share of 20% tension loss by the time it's over.
RIP Control (the tension maintenance champion) will be saying: "Do you miss me yet?" LOL
You can't beat MCS with RIP though. That of course is only because it breaks before it can lose tension.
don't they say: die young stay pretty.
KCraig is being a champ and sending me a set of regular 'ole NXT to try out. I'll probably test that one last.
A full bed of MCS in a Wilson 6.1 racquet for the "comfort setup", aka 3rd racquet in bag.
Anyone do this?
I also have half a set of MCS and half a set up Dunlop Silk so I may just hybrid the 2. How bizarre would that be?
Put the Silk in the mains and you'll hopefully get a little more life out of it.
Think the Supercable Pro will break during my next match. It has been very hard to break the string because I'm playing so well with it, many of my matches I'm winning 6-1 or 6-2 sets. I have time to string this PM but I can't bring myself to cut out a string that I'm playing so well with.
Will you do a review of super cable pro?
No, I never do reviews! Kidding of course. . I'm trying to not jump the gun and do reviews after I'm done with the string.
I hope you will include a comparison of super cable pro and MCS. Many of us are familiar with MCS. Thanks much.
MCS and SP are quite different.
I assume that SC is far more durable. What about comfort for those of us who have tender arms?
Have a fresh set of Kirschbaum 17g touch multifiber and really really like it. So far it's my favorite full multi setup. Have it at 55lbs and it is just a great combo of controlled pop, spin, touch and comfort. Durability is also very nice for a 17g string. String movement is also manageable/minimum especially for full syn gut/multi. Told Mikeler it could possibly be "reel" worthy
I can't give everything away before my full review. It is middle of the road for multi softness.
For someone who has probably tried as many strings as me, this says quite a bit.
Could you compare Pro's pro Kingut with Mantis synthetic comfort?
Have not tried any Pro's Pro offerings yet. See post #1 of this thread for all the multis I've tried out.
I notice there is Touch and Touch Classic. Played both by any chance? If so, how do they differ?
My obvious question:
SC vs thunderblast?
I play better with SP.
it's also cheaper, no?
TB is stiffer, right?
but SC has more tension loss/durability?
I did not play Thunder Blast to breakage, so I can't compare durability. I'm 99% sure the SP will break when I play tonight against a hard hitter. If so, I will have gotten around 8 or 9 hours on it. So far RacquetTune is showing over 16% tension loss on SP but I'm not really noticing it when I play.
Heck, I probably should just go ahead and write the full review and just update the durability section...
Have you tried crossing multis with a poly? X1B is amazing with a soft poly like Black Code on the crosses. I'm a big fan of natty gut except for it having a little too much power of its own so I've been playing around with gut/poly hybrids and have since moved on to multi/poly hybrids. I find that the multi/poly hybrids have less power, but still retain the control that I love natty gut for. I also find that the poly helps the multi from becoming a rocket launcher as tension drops.
I've tried quite a few poly mains with multi crosses. Have not tested any setups the other way because the durability would probably be poor for my game. Those poly/multi reviews are below:
It's interesting that so many of the soft multi's reviewed here are low/med power. I would have guessed that softer strings as a category would tend towards higher power.
There's a wordy article about that here:
Not complaining though, soft + low/med is what I like.
I do string at 60 pounds so that helps.
SP broke tonight in the 2nd game. Alternated between XR1 and MSV Soft Control after that. It was a rough day at the office for me. Nothing really stood out in terms of strengths or weaknesses for either string. I like the feel of XR1 better.
Cut my sets of Prince Premiere Attack tonight. Had that nice gluey smell which I love. Uncoiled very nicely, has a rough unique surface that I've never felt before. Hopefully will string it up tomorrow.
You should love Gamma Pro. Awesome if it were $8/set
SuperCable Pro is Super!
Here is my review in the TW format of the WeissCannon SuperCable Pro 16.
Stringing: It was eerily similar to MCS which is easy to string up. Smell, feel and gauge seemed the same. Out on the court, it was very easy to tell they were not even close to being the same string.
Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
Your regular string set up: Weiss Cannon Black 5 Edge 17 Mains(52#)/Genesis Thunder Blast 16 Crosses(56#)
Racket: Pro Kennex 7G (this is different than the others tested in the Babolat PST+)
String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
Power (or lack there of): Low/Medium powered multi
Tension maintenance: Initial tension loss was 12% according to RacquetTune. The last reading before breakage I got was 16.5%.
Price: $9.95/set, $89.90/reel.
Overall comments and feedback: See below
General: I did not know what to think when I first started hitting with this string. It is not one where you feel a close connection to the string bed since there is not much dwell time. The only other string like this where I played well with it was Tecnifibre DuraMix.
Serve/Return of Serve: This is not the most powerful string but I could still get aces with it due to the accuracy. My 2nd serve did not feel like it was getting much spin but my opponents could not do anything with it and I could visually see the ball was bouncing quite high. Returns were just terrific with this string. I can easily go into a mode of chipping returns back if I miss a few but this string begged me to take cuts at serves.
Strokes: Good spin on both wings even though it did not feel like it was coming off the strings with much spin. Depth control was excellent. I made very few unforced errors. The slice backhand was average. The reason I'm ranking this string so high is that I just felt like I could hit the ball as hard as I wanted and it would stay in. There is no better feeling on a tennis court than being free to hit out and watching almost every ball land in the court.
Volleys: Volleys are average with this string. I hit so many winners that I did not get much chance to use it at net.
Touch shots: Touch shots were average with this string. Again, I was too busy pounding winners to mess with too many drop shots.
Softness: This is a medium stiffness multi.
Tension: 60 was perfect for me.
Durability: This one lasted a little over 8 sets. Only 3 of those sets were long, the other 5 I won easily so that probably means closer to 7 hours before breakage.
Movement: String movement was the worst of any string I can remember. The anal retentive type would NOT be happy with this string (cough cough KCraig).
Conclusion: This was the best mid-priced range multi I tried until my Prince Premiere Attack 16 playtest. I'm with PVAudio, WeissCannon just makes some of the best strings out there. Let's hope some high profile professional player does not discover this and raise all our prices. Shh, don't tell anyone...
UPDATE: I've heard for years this string is no longer being made but I keep seeing it for sale???
Up next is MSV Soft Control, then Tecnifibre XR1 and Prince Premiere Attack. All 16 gauge.
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