Mikeler's Multis

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  1. mikeler

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    ^^^ I just got a 3rd racket so comparing all of them in 1 session won't happen. It would be more accurate then the way I do it now.
     
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    Ispospeed Energetic when i first hit with it felt a little stiff but after about thirty minutes of hitting it seemed to soften up and feel really comfortable. I had good control and good touch. The main thing is it a soft string and it lasts. Last night I cut it out to string my racket with Head RIP at a friends house and he looked at the notching and said the strings would have lasted quite a bit longer. That's in addition to the 15 hours I had already got out of them. For me that's unheard of since no string that i tried (which is about 3 or 4) lasted over 10 hours. For a shredder like me, I will probably buy a reel of these after I test the RIP and the Quasigut. I may give the tecnifibre a shot too.
     
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    I think my set of Isospeed Control would have lasted awhile. It was kind of a gooey string that did not seem like it would not notch easily.
     
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    ^ Was it Energetic or Energetic+ version? I have both but can't play any tennis this year unfortunetly :(
     
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    The one i used is the energetic. But the energetic plus is the same price. I went on another site and saw that the regular had high marks in the durability category. That's the only reason i bought it. I'm going to check the durability ratings for the energetic plus and i might try that too.

    i'm going to try to play with the Head RIP tonight. Especially since i survived stringing the racket with it. That was an ordeal.
     
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    RIP is the hardest multi to string hands down. The first time I opened a package of it, I was not careful with uncoiling the string thinking it would just sort of unwind itself like a lot of other multis. It took me 10 minutes to get the string untangled. Weaving is also not much fun. It's a good string though. If it had a little more feel it would be my goto string.
     
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    Yeah, feel is really the only problem w/ RIP control. However, following Kcraig's advice, I've mixed in Mantis comfort in the mains and the string bed is simply amazing.
     
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    KCraig just begged me for another half set of Mantis to try again. :) I'm sending him a bonus half set of RIP that I probably won't use again.
     
  9. Kcraig

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    The Mantis mains/RIP is def a hard feeling to beat. Just plain plush!!! I think I'm going back that way--especially during these cooler months (temps around 45-55*). Mikeler was nice enuff to hook me up with another 1/2 set. I will probably end up getting a reel of Mantis at some point since it brings dosn cost to only $5.60ish per set ($2.80/half) which is sick! I still have 4 packs of Head Intellitour, so I will probably use the 1/2 set of its enclosed RIP Tour in the crosses.
     
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    I ran a search and didn't see it, but you should really try Babolat Addiction if you haven't. I think Babolat matches their strings and racquets quite well. I hit with it tonight at 58#s in a Pure Drive and it was great. It probably breaks pretty fast, but it's a multi.
     
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    Kcraig - What other type of hybrids have you used in the past?
     
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    Yeah, that is one on my list. How is the spin? Did you use the extended length stick last night?
     
  13. Kcraig

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    Addiction is a nice crisp feeling multi. I have my wife Pure Drive 107 strung with it and it feels great. Have also demoed several Babs (pure drive GT and pure storm tour) with fresh addicition. Lower powered, crisp and pretty spinny. Not sure about durability.
     
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  14. Kcraig

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    Easier to nail down what I haven't tried--LOL:) My top 3 hybrids are:

    1) Pacific Tough Gut/Polyforce 58/55
    2) Mantis Comfort/RIP 58/55
    3) Head Intellitour 56/58

    When I used to use poly (before arm issues) I would actually prefer a full job at low tensions--around 50-52#. So much better ball pocketing, feel and spin for me
     
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    Yes i did and it was awesome. Felt extremely natural. The spin on the string is not bad. I prefer poly for good spin of course, but the string movement was minimal. I usually hate multis..seriously am not a fan, but this string is awesome. I think you should move it up to the top of the list because i think there is something to matching your strings to your racquet by using products made by the same manufacturer.
     
  16. Kcraig

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    PowerPlayer--using Pure Drive GT+. That is a sweet feeling stick--along with the APDGT+--love em on 2 handers.
     
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    That's good to hear. I want to try the Dunlop Hexy first but maybe I'll try the Addiction after that.
     
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    Yep. I have a 2 hander and i am trying out the Pdrgt+ . It is seriously incredible. I figure if it hurts my arm i can go to the apdgt+, but it feels real nice with this addiction multi. Main concern will be durability.
     
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    Is the Addiction really soft or on the stiffer side for a multi?
     
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    I have to say soft. The reason is because i am using such a stiff racquet and yet it feels plush. I am always looking for softer strings because i prefer stiff racquets, but this was just luck because it came in the demo. It also looks like a fresh job, so i will get an idea of how long it can last hopefully.

    It seems like you want to string about everything in the high 50s on the Pdrgt, so i am going to also try out soft synguts and polystar energy to see what i can get away with.

    Not knowing the racquet yet makes it tough to give you an accurate description, but i was really impressed with how good the string felt in the racquet.
     
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    Sounds like it might be up my alley. Looking forward to trying it out in a few weeks.
     
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    One good thing about addiction... the string does NOT move :) But You may break it sooner than Mantis;)
     
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    Noooooooooooo!
     
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    It didn't look to durable to me but i might be wrong. There's still hope ;)
     
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    Most multis don't last very long since durability is not it's strong suite. All the strings I have tested so far lasted anywhere from 4 to 10 hours of hitting. Even those that had better durability, significant tension loss and difficulty keeping the ball in the court forced you to restring them anyways.
     
  26. pepka

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    I almost never break strings and often put 20-25 hours on them before cuting them out , so than i can try another ones:twisted: I tested around 20 multis and addiction, touch mf and multifeel were the least durable (from their looks at least).
    Edit: Santa delivered :) he even gave me 4 overgrips (no charge)
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    Best Multi String for the dollar:

    √ Yonex Tour Super 850 Pro 16 String 8.95 / no reels available
    An innovative structure of high elastic multifilament and our exclusive "Power-Spin Coating" that will generate superior spin while maintaining the response and feel of natural gut. A distinctive "Pre-Stretch" method combined with double winding nylon wraps helps maintain string tension and optimizes playability. Noted: Stringforum reports that string plays well at lower tensions (51#). Pro version stiffer with more control.

    √ Mantis Comfort Synthetic 16 String 9.00 / 99.00 reel
    MANTIS Comfort Synthetic has been specifically developed to provide a soft string with gut like feel and playability whilst the special double coating enhances durability. Thousands of micro fibres are compressed and then nano coated to provide a core with superb feel. This is covered with highly durable monofilaments before the string is coated by a special elastic resin bonding process.

    √ Tourna Quasi Gut String 17 8.06 / 99.00 reel
    RSI reviewed: Our playtest team found Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 impressive even for a soft nylon, giving it ratings in the top 20 in four separate categories: 5th overall for Touch/Feel, 6th overall (tie) for Playability, 7th overall (tie) for Comfort, and 11th overall (tie) for Power. Bolstering these results are the teams’ well-above-average ratings for Tourna Quasi-Gut for Control, Spin Potential, and Tension Retention. As a result, Unique Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 is tied for 16th overall out of the 140 strings we’ve playtested to date for publication. Additionally, our playtest team told us that Tourna Quasi-Gut 16 doesn’t sacrifice playability for durability or vice versa.
     
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    All synthetic strings are like that for me although I was getting 12 hours in the summer out of MT 17. I think it lasted about 8 hours last winter. If I could get something that feels great and lasts 8-10 hours I would be happy.



    Is Touch MF the Kirschbaum? I'd be curious to hear how the Mantis Comfort Poly plays.



    Didn't care much for Quasi. Looking forward to trying the Yonex based on your info.
     
  30. Kcraig

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    MAN--I wish we could pick up the Black Mantis here in the States!!!!!:evil:
     
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    ^^^ Yeah that Black Mantis would look sweet in my PSTs.
     
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    One of very few tennis related things i can be happy about here in Europe. You can always order it from Mantis UK guys, 8$ a set or 93 for reel. I used Mantis Power/power hybrid some time ago and it was suprisingly comfortable. I efed up with the tensions though and got rid of it after 10 or so hours. I remember tension stability for the power poly to be great. I expect the comfy setup to be low powered, extra soft and with nice control. I may get some extra spin from the mains as well ;)
     
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    It appears you can also get the black Mantis Comfort here in US as well per the Mantis Sports site. Going to be doing a test/comparison between good ole "kcraig" Mantis/RIP Tour vs. Dunlop Comfort Synthetic Gut. Will drop off at stringer today and hope to play Sun or Mon--too much going on with holidays and all--

    Am going to drop tension down to 56# on each due to cooler temps. Usual tension is 58#. Also going to string both mains and crosses the same instead of normal dropping crosses.
     
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    Strung up the Dunlop Hexy Fiber tonight. It is slightly more difficult to string because of the shape but not too bad. You have to look very closely at the cross section of the string to see the hexagonal shape. The packaging is neat looking but it had three string holders versus the standard one. I always have trouble breaking those. Bounced a few balls off it and the feel is muted. Seems about medium softness for a multi. Spun a few balls in the air too. I think it will be good for spin. Playing tomorrow morning so I'll report back tomorrow PM.
     
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    The Addiction let me down after hour 3. It started to move in the mains and I did not have the control I had the day before. Looks like it is very close to breaking also.

    It still feels fantastic though. I checked it on racquetune and it says the tension is 55#s. It was strung at 58#s on a Babolat machine. So if this is accurate, the string barely lost any tension.

    For reference, my Hexonic was strung at 48#s and after 10 hours is reading at 40#s.
     
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    I'm bringing Hexy back...Yeah. Justin Timberlake jokes aside, this string is fantastic. I'll post a detailed review later. Combined the best of RIP and the best of Mantis into 1 string.
     
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    What's so good about it? Silk is supposed to be their premium string, and although I can understand why they might position it at the high end, its too powerful (despite it being stiff) for my tastes. I prefer lower powered multis, if there is such a thing.
     
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    OK, here is my initial review in the TW format of the Dunlop Hexy Fiber 16.

    Strung up the Dunlop Hexy Fiber tonight. It is slightly more difficult to string because of the shape but not too bad. You have to look very closely at the cross section of the string to see the hexagonal shape. The packaging is neat looking but it had three string holders versus the standard one. I always have trouble breaking those. Bounced a few balls off it and the feel is muted.

    Tension it is strung: 60 pounds on a lockout machine full bed
    Your regular string set up: Mantis Comfort Synthetic 60 pounds full bed
    String pattern of your racquet: 16 x 20
    Power (or lack there of): Lower powered multi
    Feel: Great feel
    Tension maintenance: Seemed to hold the first 2 hours
    Price: $6.95
    Overall comments and feedback: See below

    General: I could tell on the first few hits that I was going to like this.  Combines the spin of RIP with the feel of Mantis Comfort.

    Serve: First serve was good considering the high wind today.  Second serve had some great spin.

    Strokes: Lots of spin on both wings.  Depth control was good.  I hit a bunch wide today but can't blame that on the string.  This is tied with RIP for spin potential.

    Volleys: It's very good for volleys just like RIP.  Volleys feel very solid.

    Touch shots: I taunted my opponent with a number of well placed droppers.

    Softness: The string feels like a medium stiffness multi.

    Tension: Perfect for my game.

    Durability: The string looks thick and strong, but I only got 5 singles sets out of it.

    Movement: String movement is average for a multi.  It hurts a little to move the strings with your fingers because of the hexagonal shape.  

    Conclusion: This is an excellent string.  Great price too.  It could trump the Mantis but more testing is needed.

    Final Comments: Broke the Hexy after 5 sets of play. It breaks just like the Mantis Comfort. It looks just fine and then all of a sudden the outer coating is gone and just a few strands are holding the string together. You have another game or so and then that is all she wrote. This new string is a very close 2nd place to Mantis in my book. A guy watching my match on another court remarked that one of my forehand's today was so heavy that it might have knocked the racket out of his hand. This string is definitely a spinner/winner. Too bad it has Mantis like durability.

    One last remark, a few people who play with hexy polys complain that after a few hours, the string gets shaved down to a smooth surface. So I examined the cross section of the broken string bed and I could still see the hexagonal shape even in the highest area of wear.
     
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  39. GameSetMatch

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    People posting in this thread should also specifiy (a) what gauge their using (b) whether they're playing with a open/closed pattern racket.

    That way there's more chance of weedling out any skewed comments.
     
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    Nice review! In terms of power--how does it compare to Mantis?
     
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    Slightly more powerful.
     
  42. RonSon

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    You guys were right on the money about the Head RIP, not the feel i was hoping for. Especially considering the trouble it took to string it. I think the Tourna QuasiGut will be next. Anybody try Ashaway string. I just read a review about how well it holds it's tension. However, same review said isospeed energetic didn't hold its tension and was not durable. I disproved both of those.
     
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    @mikeler

    thx for the review.
    (thinking you play the 1.30 hexy fiber or?)

    perhaps you could make a short summary in comparsion to the mantis comfort Syn

    F.e like this:

    Mantis / Hexy
    Power + ++
    Spin 0 +++
    String Movement
    Holding Tension
    Durability

    an so on

    from --- to +++


    ?

    Because i´m testing in the same Range multi Strings. so this could be very interesting.
    An the hexy can be the one!
     
  44. bad_call

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    mikeler - could you post tension in each of the strings tested? the appropriate tension can make or break a string's test outcome. thanks.
     
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    All multis tested at 60 pounds on my lock out machine.
     
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    It is 16 gauge. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll go back in an add that to the review. Keep in mind, I have not broken the string yet. I've only got about 4 hours on it but there are no signs of notching or fraying.

    Mantis / Hexy
    Power + ++
    Spin (for a multi) +++ +++++
    String Movement +++++ +++
    Holding Tension +++++ +++++
    Durability + ++++
     
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    thanks. traffic out there is nuts today.
     
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    I put the gauge in the review now and the string pattern was already there.
     
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    It was not bad this morning but last night it was awful.
     
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    Nothing about my first impression has changed. There was less wind today and I was able to get quite a few aces on my serve. The 2nd serve still has some good kick. I was not hitting too many wide balls today but my forehand was inconsistent. I was super confident with my 1 hander today. I hit a high backhand volley today that normally I could not punch for a winner but with this string I popped it right into a corner.
     

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