Milan New Rules Stunning Success with Best of Five Sets

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The new rules are working beautifully. There is no tanking with the short sets and just when you thought it was all too fast you suddenly realize this is best of 5.:eek:

Crowd allowed to come and go as they please - 100% success with a dull murmur masking any disruptions. No issues with crowd and the usual nonsense.
No linesman - 100% success
No Ad scoring - 100% success and Khachanov did save from Quadruple break point, yes you get quadruple break points with No Ad.
Shorter sets - 100% success given that this is best of 5 and not best of 3. The shorter sets result in more breakers, more pressure, more intensity, more drama

Both players responded to the format and played some of their best tennis to date. Medvedev was cramping at the end of the match and just started hitting all the harder adding to the drama and intrigue.

In short, this format is far, far superior to best of 3 sets. All the drama and intensity of a great slam match, but in a shorter format that allows play everyday. 12.0 for the level of the players. Well done Next Gen.
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Meles said:
The new rules are working beautifully. There is no tanking with the short sets and just when you thought it was all too fast you suddenly realize this is best of 5.:eek:

Crowd allowed to come and go as they please - 100% success with a dull murmur masking any disruptions. No issues with crowd and the usual nonsense.
No linesman - 100% success
No Ad scoring - 100% success and Khachanov did save from Quadruple break point, yes you get quadruple break points with No Ad.
Shorter sets - 100% success given that this is best of 5 and not best of 3. The shorter sets result in more breakers, more pressure, more intensity, more drama

Both players responded to the format and played some of their best tennis to date. Medvedev was cramping at the end of the match and just started hitting all the harder adding to the drama and intrigue.

In short, this format is far, far superior to best of 3 sets. All the drama and intensity of a great slam match, but in a shorter format that allows play everyday. 12.0 for the level of the players. Well done Next Gen.
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Wouldn't it be easier to tank a shortened set though, especially in a best of 5 format? Seems like if you got broken in a shortened set the thinking would be to give up on the set since it's not played to 6+ games... And throwing away a set in a best of 5 format isn't as damaging as doing so in a best of 3 format.

Not a big fan of these rule changes. The "Next" generation is already weaker, both mentally and physically than the previous generation(s). Changing the rules to coddle these babies seems like a ridiculous thing to do, not to mention it will diminish the accomplishment of winning a big time title.

And that scoreline in the Rublev vs Quinzi match was totally ridiculous. There were two bagel sets and a breadstick in a best of 5 shortened set format. Don't tell me there wasn't some strategic tanking going on there.
 
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Meles said:
No. We just had our first bad let and Shaps smiling. The one thing that player instincts may cause some face palm issues.

1000% success so far. Very, very cool stadium with practice court I believe outdoors on the street with busy sidewalks passing by lol.
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Was much easier to get used to this settings as a viewer that I thought. Im normally not a big fan of making changes.
 
Only watched a little, and though I'm not a huge fan of every aspect I could get on board with most of it except for the no Ad scoring. So much of the magic, and drama in tennis comes in back and forth deuces.

Shot clock? Awesome!

Letting crowds come and go as they please? Awesome, at least once people are able to get used to it, I would think it would negatively impact to some degree, and lead to more errors.

Shorter sets? I don't care for it, but it's not the worst thing in the entire world, especially if it's going to be best of 5.

No linespeople? It's awesome until the computer breaks down, and if this gets anywhere close to universal it almost certainly will become an issue.

But no Ad scoring? As cool as those Deciding Points can be... Nah, they've taken the warring quality out of it.

And being quicker to get to a breaker is not a great thing. Shorter sets, and no ad scoring just makes things more and more slanted to the big servers, the one disadvantage the server potentially faces being right at the beginning of the match with the 30 seconds from time being called to get their first serve off :D
 
The shot clock starts a bit late, doesn't it? It seems to start after the score is called, whereas my impression from the rule book is that you count from the end of the point - i.e. when there's a winner or a fault.
 
Meles said:
The new rules are working beautifully. There is no tanking with the short sets and just when you thought it was all too fast you suddenly realize this is best of 5.:eek:

Crowd allowed to come and go as they please - 100% success with a dull murmur masking any disruptions. No issues with crowd and the usual nonsense.
No linesman - 100% success
No Ad scoring - 100% success and Khachanov did save from Quadruple break point, yes you get quadruple break points with No Ad.
Shorter sets - 100% success given that this is best of 5 and not best of 3. The shorter sets result in more breakers, more pressure, more intensity, more drama

Both players responded to the format and played some of their best tennis to date. Medvedev was cramping at the end of the match and just started hitting all the harder adding to the drama and intrigue.

In short, this format is far, far superior to best of 3 sets. All the drama and intensity of a great slam match, but in a shorter format that allows play everyday. 12.0 for the level of the players. Well done Next Gen.
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Thanks for the rundown. Its not being televised by the Tennis Channel so I was going to post if anyone was seeing it.

There has been nothing but sh*t talking on the Next Gen finals on this forum for months but I'm excited that they are trying some rule changes.

I don't like the shorter sets thing but I would love to see no ad adopted (I know Ill be hated on for saying that). No-ad = more pressure points = more fun to watch and play as well. I hate endless, mindless deuces where the server has a throw away point at deuce or ad-in and double faults or makes no real effort out of laziness.

Tiebreaks worked out amazingly and no ad would bring more excitement as well.

I also support the no let thing.
 
ibbi said:
Only watched a little, and though I'm not a huge fan of every aspect I could get on board with most of it except for the no Ad scoring. So much of the magic, and drama in tennis comes in back and forth deuces.

Shot clock? Awesome!

Letting crowds come and go as they please? Awesome, at least once people are able to get used to it, I would think it would negatively impact to some degree, and lead to more errors.

Shorter sets? I don't care for it, but it's not the worst thing in the entire world, especially if it's going to be best of 5.

No linespeople? It's awesome until the computer breaks down, and if this gets anywhere close to universal it almost certainly will become an issue.

But no Ad scoring? As cool as those Deciding Points can be... Nah, they've taken the warring quality out of it.

And being quicker to get to a breaker is not a great thing. Shorter sets, and no ad scoring just makes things more and more slanted to the big servers, the one disadvantage the server potentially faces being right at the beginning of the match with the 30 seconds from time being called to get their first serve off :D
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You get a new drama with no ad scoring. Quadruple break point. Triple break point at 15-40. Your intensity must be very high.

The kicker with this format is it is 5 sets instead of 3. It is just much, much better. I've been watch snoozefest for weeks on tour with the courts being a touch fast. Milan is not slow, but still playable for all the players. This is a superior drama to the traditional and even superior to the slam format where we have days off between play and a trickle of matches in the last week. These guys going 5 straight days for the finalists in best of 5. Awesome event compared to WTF already.
 
Meles said:
You get a new drama with no ad scoring. Quadruple break point. Triple break point at 15-40. Your intensity must be very high.

The kicker with this format is it is 5 sets instead of 3. It is just much, much better. I've been watch snoozefest for weeks on tour with the courts being a touch fast. Milan is not slow, but still playable for all the players. This is a superior drama to the traditional and even superior to the slam format where we have days off between play and a trickle of matches in the last week. These guys going 5 straight days for the finalists in best of 5. Awesome event compared to WTF already.
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It puts pressure on the server and they have to be more clutch. Could make them better players.
 
It's good tennis now with Shapovalov v. Chung, although Denis basically gave the 2nd set tiebreaker away. Bad serving there overall. First set he was stellar. Now, they're in the 3rd set with Denis serving. Denis wins. 1-0 in 3rd set. I really like Chung, though. He's a good, all-court player with a cool pair of glasses!
 
I dislike most of the new rules. Why do we have dumb down this great sport just because of the Snapchat generation?

Definitely not a 100% success, more like 90% failure. When these rules come to the main tour, which they will as soon as Fedal retires, it'll be the start of the end for tennis.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
I dislike most of the new rules. Why do we have dumb down this great sport just because of the Snapchat generation?

Definitely not a 100% success, more like 90% failure. When these rules come to the main tour, which they will as soon as Fedal retires, it'll be the start of the end for tennis.
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No reason for doomsday. They get no points from this. Its an experiment.
Dont you even like the serve clock and instant line judging?
 
Adv. Edberg said:
I dislike most of the new rules. Why do we have dumb down this great sport just because of the Snapchat generation?

Definitely not a 100% success, more like 90% failure. When these rules come to the main tour, which they will as soon as Fedal retires, it'll be the start of the end for tennis.
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Will the WTA also implement the same rules? Will the whole tennis community and world outside of pro tennis use the same rules? Those are the questions.
 
Shaolin said:
Thanks for the rundown. Its not being televised by the Tennis Channel so I was going to post if anyone was seeing it.

There has been nothing but sh*t talking on the Next Gen finals on this forum for months but I'm excited that they are trying some rule changes.

I don't like the shorter sets thing but I would love to see no ad adopted (I know Ill be hated on for saying that). No-ad = more pressure points = more fun to watch and play as well. I hate endless, mindless deuces where the server has a throw away point at deuce or ad-in and double faults or makes no real effort out of laziness.

Tiebreaks worked out amazingly and no ad would bring more excitement as well.

I also support the no let thing.
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Trading 5 shorter sets for 3 regular sets well worth it:
1. No tanking
2. Dead meat if you lull at beginning of set
3. more tiebreakers

All of this requires much more intensity from the players and they are responding. Matches actually seem to be longer too so just getting more tennis and better tennis.

No ad with quadruple break points, and triple break points at 15-40 also just ups the pressure level. You just can't screw around and letup and have deuce save you. With the games not being able to go 10 or even 15 minutes with deuces it also has an evening out in of the match lengths which will make schedules easier to manage.

Another innovation is the touch pads at changeovers. Shaps was just checking his stats during the match. Very cool.
 
Adv. Edberg said:
I dislike most of the new rules. Why do we have dumb down this great sport just because of the Snapchat generation?

Definitely not a 100% success, more like 90% failure. When these rules come to the main tour, which they will as soon as Fedal retires, it'll be the start of the end for tennis.
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Don't be ridiculous. This is best of 5 sets. It is amazing to watch. 2nd match into a 4th set.:p This format allows daily play with best of 5. It is amazing.
 
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Well, Denis doing what he does best; squander break points. His ROS is really poor, and he's not playing clutch points the way he used to. Looks really ordinary out there. Kind of sad.
 
prairiegirl said:
Well, Denis doing what he does best; squander break points. His ROS is really poor, and he's not playing clutch points the way he used to. Looks really ordinary out there. Kind of sad.
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No commentary in General Pro preferred, so don't start leaking the scores.;)
 
Chanwan said:
The shot clock starts a bit late, doesn't it? It seems to start after the score is called, whereas my impression from the rule book is that you count from the end of the point - i.e. when there's a winner or a fault.
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It has worked well and not been an issue; no time violations. Compared to Nadal's abuse of the rules this is a complete winner.

These changes have removed all the debate and antics over time and lines call. The screen often quickly pops up a replay if the ball was close to the line (3 inches maybe).
 
Meles said:
The new rules are working beautifully. There is no tanking with the short sets and just when you thought it was all too fast you suddenly realize this is best of 5.:eek:

Crowd allowed to come and go as they please - 100% success with a dull murmur masking any disruptions. No issues with crowd and the usual nonsense.
No linesman - 100% success
No Ad scoring - 100% success and Khachanov did save from Quadruple break point, yes you get quadruple break points with No Ad.
Shorter sets - 100% success given that this is best of 5 and not best of 3. The shorter sets result in more breakers, more pressure, more intensity, more drama

Both players responded to the format and played some of their best tennis to date. Medvedev was cramping at the end of the match and just started hitting all the harder adding to the drama and intrigue.

In short, this format is far, far superior to best of 3 sets. All the drama and intensity of a great slam match, but in a shorter format that allows play everyday. 12.0 for the level of the players. Well done Next Gen.
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I think I would need like 20 years to get used to it.
 
Big_Dangerous said:
Wouldn't it be easier to tank a shortened set though, especially in a best of 5 format? Seems like if you got broken in a shortened set the thinking would be to give up on the set since it's not played to 6+ games... And throwing away a set in a best of 5 format isn't as damaging as doing so in a best of 3 format.

Not a big fan of these rule changes. Next generation is already weaker both mentally and physically from the previous generation(s) so changing to rules to coddle these babies seems like a ridiculous thing to do, not to mention it will diminish the accomplishment of winning a big time title.
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The intensity level has been high throughout the two matches so far. If you get broken right away the players seem to be motivated to break back to at least try to. The servers can get under mega pressure with the whole quadruple break point scenarios, etc.

Bottom line is best of five is letting the better player prevail. You can't just fluke an upset with one lucky tiebreaker. The matches are far superior to watch.

Most of these rules changes should be put on tour for 2019; they are that good.o_O The best of 5 is just amazing. The one fail I see is no lets. It came up late in one of the matches and the point was very interesting and exciting, but just too much of a fluke/luck factor. The umpires should continue using their net cord devices as let's really don't take that much time.

The overall feel after two matches is that this is vastly superior to the best of 3 format. More intense, better play resulting. The better player more likely to win in 5 set format.

For traditionalist I just have to say that tennis was typically 5 sets before the pro era. These rules changes are well worth any price to get us back to best of 5 sets. The fact that we are getting a lot of unexpected benefits makes it all the better. I'm really surprised how much I like no ad scoring. Its easier to hold in some ways, but getting a lot of triple break point situations and several have already saved from quadruple break point. Plenty of drama compared to the long deuce games and a critical part of allowing these matches to be best of 5. All of these rule changes together suddenly make sense once you see it in action. This is the way tennis should have been all along. For majors, they could just make some minor rules changes to speed up play and keep deuces (breakers at 5 all instead of 6 all would be a mercy). Much prefer seeing shortened sets on the regular tour with 5 sets rather than the new tradition of 3 sets.
 
No Ad scoring isn't going to be implemented any time soon. Why? Nadal would lose his greatest advantage, being the lefty serve out wide on most break points. Not because he's the most influential of the top players, but simply because he's the most comfortable complaining about things.

So it may well be changed, but certainly not until after Nadal retires. Can't say I'd be happy to see it implemented.
 
Meles said:
The intensity level has been high throughout the two matches so far. If you get broken right away the players seem to be motivated to break back to at least try to. The servers can get under mega pressure with the whole quadruple break point scenarios, etc.

Bottom line is best of five is letting the better player prevail. You can't just fluke an upset with one lucky tiebreaker. The matches are far superior to watch.

Most of these rules changes should be put on tour for 2019; they are that good.o_O The best of 5 is just amazing. The one fail I see is no lets. It came up late in one of the matches and the point was very interesting and exciting, but just too much of a fluke/luck factor. The umpires should continue using their net cord devices as let's really don't take that much time.

The overall feel after two matches is that this is vastly superior to the best of 3 format. More intense, better play resulting. The better player more likely to win in 5 set format.

For traditionalist I just have to say that tennis was typically 5 sets before the pro era. These rules changes are well worth any price to get us back to best of 5 sets. The fact that we are getting a lot of unexpected benefits makes it all the better. I'm really surprised how much I like no ad scoring. Its easier to hold in some ways, but getting a lot of triple break point situations and several have already saved from quadruple break point. Plenty of drama compared to the long deuce games and a critical part of allowing these matches to be best of 5. All of these rule changes together suddenly make sense once you see it in action. This is the way tennis should have been all along. For majors, they could just make some minor rules changes to speed up play and keep deuces (breakers at 5 all instead of 6 all would be a mercy). Much prefer seeing shortened sets on the regular tour with 5 sets rather than the new tradition of 3 sets.
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No Lets is fine by me, could be flukey way to win a vital point but no more so than a frame shot. Advantage is it normally though not always favours the receiver.
 
Shank Volley said:
No Ad scoring isn't going to be implemented any time soon. Why? Nadal would lose his greatest advantage, being the lefty serve out wide on most break points. Not because he's the most influential of the top players, but simply because he's the most comfortable complaining about things.

So it may well be changed, but certainly not until after Nadal retires. Can't say I'd be happy to see it implemented.
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Oldal might not mind some changes as he's sure to start losing some of his stamina in the upcoming years. Something new for him and his serve is much better. He would love on deciding points to choose his favorite side. Yes, the server choses.o_O The draining four hour plus match he had in Madrid 2009 probably would not happen with these new rules even over five sets, but the matches overall may be longer on average. A lot more pressure situations and I think any top player would welcome that, especially Nadal.
 
Chanwan said:
The shot clock starts a bit late, doesn't it? It seems to start after the score is called, whereas my impression from the rule book is that you count from the end of the point - i.e. when there's a winner or a fault.
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The shot clock is under the control of the umpire, so it is still open to misuse. One umpire may be more lenient than another when it comes to starting the clock and enforcing the 25 second rule. The timing should start from when the ball is dead, i.e. when it has bounced for a second time.

I just hope that it is not the intention to introduce these rules to the main tour. It is just a watering down of a beautiful game. There is very little, if anything wrong with tennis as it has been played since the late 19th. century.
 
Like I said sometime back in one of the threads, if they like this, they can create a new sport called weeni(e)s for kids. Let the men play tennis.

A sport should honour and complement things like stamina, competitiveness, strategy and being the best. Sports should be a way to promote strength and it glory. There's no point in making it easy and revelling in that. I might as well create, "who watches paint dry for longest" and award Championships points there.
 
If they shorten BO5 grand slams at all, then whoever ends up with slam record from this generation will be eternal GOAT.
 
The whole "there's no tanking" argument seems to be invalid. I saw that they get 30k for every match that they win. Plus, this is the atp finals for them. They would be looked down on greatly for tanking in these matches. Bottom line, these rules are garbage and closely resemble Division 1 college tennis in America.

If we really want to put these rules out let's put it in play in futures qualifying draws in South America where 300 people sign up for the 64 qualifying draw and see how many people tank and complain.
 
I would prefer 50 single game sets, alternating server each set, the winner is decided when the first player reaches 26 sets.

If both players reached 25 sets each at the conclusion of the match, a tie breaker would be played. First to 12, win by 2.
 
Jackuar said:
Like I said sometime back in one of the threads, if they like this, they can create a new sport called weeni(e)s for kids. Let the men play tennis.

A sport should honour and complement things like stamina, competitiveness, strategy and being the best. Sports should be a way to promote strength and it glory. There's no point in making it easy and revelling in that. I might as well create, "who watches paint dry for longest" and award Championships points there.
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Actually this makes the standard best of 3 look like weenie tennis. The tour has had a lot of bad matches lately; talk about watching paint dry.:rolleyes: Medvedev was cramping under the stress in the first match. Intense stuff. The shortened sets just remove a lot of the filler. Far, far more intensity in these matches.:cool:
 
toby55555 said:
No Lets is fine by me, could be flukey way to win a vital point but no more so than a frame shot. Advantage is it normally though not always favours the receiver.
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Well then I can see it. Not a lot of lets so far. Zedbot in the exho match with Tsitsipas just finished was loving his let cords which were slight nicks that went in. Just haven't seen enough to judge that aspect.
 
Meles said:
Actually this makes the standard best of 3 look like weenie tennis. The tour has had a lot of bad matches lately; talk about watching paint dry.:rolleyes: Medvedev was cramping under the stress in the first match. Intense stuff. The shortened sets just remove a lot of the filler. Far, far more intensity in these matches.:cool:
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Lol. This Milano stuff so much better than Paris master.
 
Shaolin said:
Thanks for the rundown. Its not being televised by the Tennis Channel so I was going to post if anyone was seeing it.

There has been nothing but sh*t talking on the Next Gen finals on this forum for months but I'm excited that they are trying some rule changes.

I don't like the shorter sets thing but I would love to see no ad adopted (I know Ill be hated on for saying that). No-ad = more pressure points = more fun to watch and play as well. I hate endless, mindless deuces where the server has a throw away point at deuce or ad-in and double faults or makes no real effort out of laziness.

Tiebreaks worked out amazingly and no ad would bring more excitement as well.

I also support the no let thing.
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I agree mostly. I could get used to the no ad scoring. Pretty sure I've changed my mind on that issue, but the shortening of the sets will always remain a joke. If that ever shows up on the regular tour I quit watching. Simple as that.

No let rule is interesting. I don't see the problem there because there are net cords in regular rallies. Only difference now is that it happens on serve too.

Totally on board with the shot clock. I'm watching Medvedev-Khachanov off the PVR now and they're well within the time limit. The time starting after the ump calls score is a slight amendment to the actual rule from what I can tell, but it's a nice one. There's still a clock, but the ump waits longer to call score after longer rallies which seems ok to me.
 
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