Milos Raonic Racquet Specs and More

danbrenner

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Milos is now too four and clearly looking to be number one. His ranking of looked at on a chart, is steadily going in upwards direction. He is poised to make a breakthrough in 2017. IMHO, he will win a major in 2017. So in lieu of this huge talent, I ask all of you in the know, to share your knowledge of his racquet Specs. I know he uses a little lead under the grommet, but I and many other people on these boards, would like to know the actual balance and weight.
Thanks in advance for your input. Dan
 

joohan

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He is too tall to ever become a no.1. Only one player of all number ones was taller than 190cm - Marat Safin - and Raonic is not even remotely as talented as he was.
 

danbrenner

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He is too tall to ever become a no.1. Only one player of all number ones was taller than 190cm - Marat Safin - and Raonic is not even remotely as talented as he was.
I disagree. I think 6"5 with the right athleticism and movement can be top shelf.
And like I had said earlier, his chart is slow and steady move upward. That is the most deadly of all. All this guy needs to do is stay healthy and keep working the way e does.
But I don't think he will be number one in 2017. I just predict a major title.
 

joohan

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I think 6"5 with the right athleticism and movement can be top shelf.
Therein lies the challenge...can a 196 guy have right athleticism and movement (i.e. in the realm of current no.1 Andy Murray)? I don't think so but I'll be rooting for him since I actually like the guy.
 

Imago

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Psychoanalytically, opening this thread in the common racquets section is an unforced error testifying to the unconscious belief of the OP that Raonic will never become No. 1. ;-)
 

joohan

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Therein lies the challenge...can a 196 guy have right athleticism and movement (i.e. in the realm of current no.1 Andy Murray)? I don't think so but I'll be rooting for him since I actually like the guy.
There is one player that is taller than 1,9m and has athleticism and movement to stay with/outlast the fittest player on tour. Thing is, apart from his serve, Milos is not as good player as he is.
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

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Psychoanalytically, opening this thread in the common racquets section is an unforced error testifying to the unconscious belief of the OP that Raonic will never become No. 1. ;-)
So does this automatically demote Raonic to amateur status? Does this mean Raonic will never be good at tennis? Should Raonic hang it up like the rest of us and spend endless months switching to different rackets looking for that boost that will make him "a better player"? Who cares what this amateur Raonic kid uses, I wanna know what Fed uses! kappa (And now I sit back and watch the conspiracy theorists all jump out.)
 

zalive

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There is one player that is taller than 1,9m and has athleticism and movement to stay with/outlast the fittest player on tour. Thing is, apart from his serve, Milos is not as good player as he is.
All you say is true; however only two are ahead of him atm, and both are older than him 3.5 years. In next 3-4 years they can both decline with Milos still being in his prime.
I don't see a player of a big four caliber among young guys. Some are pretty good but current big four were typically better at their age. It's quite possible no one from them will be better than Milos.
As for Kyrgios, no one can bet his mentality and commitment to tennis. Thiem has limits himself, while Zverev is a big guy just like Milos. All three of them can advance but no one can foresee what will happen.
 

joohan

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All you say is true; however only two are ahead of him atm, and both are older than him 3.5 years. In next 3-4 years they can both decline with Milos still being in his prime.
I don't see a player of a big four caliber among young guys. Some are pretty good but current big four were typically better at their age. It's quite possible no one from them will be better than Milos.
As for Kyrgios, no one can bet his mentality and commitment to tennis. Thiem has limits himself, while Zverev is a big guy just like Milos. All three of them can advance but no one can foresee what will happen.
We don't know anything tbh, even Dimitrov might wake up and realize he's got what it takes. Milos has to stay healthy which is a major concern in his race to catch up those in front of him. His body failed him last year in Australia and his lack of top notch all round/net game showed pretty clearly in Wimbledon final. He might and probably will win a major or two when the big guys go away eventually but if history is any indication, he won't become a no.1. This is Murrays time and he is very hungry after years of diet prescribed by Roger, Rafa and Novak. We'll see, it will be very interesting to watch...
 

zalive

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We don't know anything tbh, even Dimitrov might wake up and realize he's got what it takes. Milos has to stay healthy which is a major concern in his race to catch up those in front of him. His body failed him last year in Australia and his lack of top notch all round/net game showed pretty clearly in Wimbledon final. He might and probably will win a major or two when the big guys go away eventually but if history is any indication, he won't become a no.1. This is Murrays time and he is very hungry after years of diet prescribed by Roger, Rafa and Novak. We'll see, it will be very interesting to watch...
I was fairly impressed by Milos' return games at the Masters finals. My opinion of him was similar to yours...however seeing this years finals changed my mind. He's developing an aggressive game on return games and is able to push opponents whenever he is able to neutralize their initial serve advantage. He had a good chance to win against both Andy and Novak, with literally few balls deciding. Boiled down to mental toughness on critical points. What I'm trying to tell: he seems to have developed a pretty good gameplan on both serve and return games, considering his physique, qualities and weaknesses.

Raonic specs
321g 325bal 326sw
I find those hard to believe.
(ilitiga: kako da ne :D)
 
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joohan

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I was fairly impressed by Milos' return games at the Masters finals. My opinion of him was similar to yours...however seeing this years finals changed my mind. He's developing an aggressive game on return games and is able to push opponents whenever he is able to neutralize their initial serve advantage. He had a good chance to win against both Andy and Novak, with literally few balls deciding. Boiled down to mental toughness on critical points. What I'm trying to tell: he seems to have developed a pretty good gameplan on both serve and return games, considering his physique, qualities and weaknesses.
Both of his parents are engineers and he stated he likes to employ an analytical, engineering thinking when trying to improve his game bit by bit. He comes across as a highly intelligent man who knows what he wants and stated he won't leave a stone unturned in his pursuit to win a major after his Wimbledon final loss. As I've already stated - I like him so I hope he keeps improving.
 

AMGF

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He has a great serve, a good net game and a very good forehand. He went down to the wire a couple times against Murray this year.

I say this guy will time a major or more. As for the #1 spot, it'll depends Kyrgios, Thiem and Zverev. These are the next top players and Milos is basically somewhere between the old guard and the new one. If he clinches the #1 spot one day, it will be for a very limited time. In my humble opinion of course.
 

danbrenner

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Who cares about his balance? Does anyone actually want to swing like him?

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Lol. He's only nunber 3 in the world.
He's got the best serve in the game.
But no. Of course not. Why would anyone want to know his balance. Why would anyone want to swing like him.
Sounds like I would rather swing like you.
Post some videos of your wondrous technique
 

joohan

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He has a great serve, a good net game and a very good forehand. He went down to the wire a couple times against Murray this year.

I say this guy will time a major or more. As for the #1 spot, it'll depends Kyrgios, Thiem and Zverev. These are the next top players and Milos is basically somewhere between the old guard and the new one. If he clinches the #1 spot one day, it will be for a very limited time. In my humble opinion of course.
I would add Lucas Pouille to the mix as well.
 

danbrenner

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I would add Lucas Pouille to the mix as well.
Well either way buckle your. Seatbelt.
2017 is gonna be one hell of a year
You have Novak who has a major asked to grind and is looking to reprove himself. You have Nadal Who is also looking to prove them self after not being so healthy. You have Roger Federer it is also very desperately looking for some good results or will be facing his potential last year and the business if he does not improve quickly. Then you have the biggest threat in my opinion is Raonic. He has played these bigger guys enough times now where he knows their game he knows what he has to do and is a genuine threat to go the full distance had a major. This is going to be one hell of a year. This is going to be one hell of an Australian open
 

joohan

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Well either way buckle your. Seatbelt.
2017 is gonna be one hell of a year
You have Novak who has a major asked to grind and is looking to reprove himself. You have Nadal Who is also looking to prove them self after not being so healthy. You have Roger Federer it is also very desperately looking for some good results or will be facing his potential last year and the business if he does not improve quickly. Then you have the biggest threat in my opinion is Raonic. He has played these bigger guys enough times now where he knows their game he knows what he has to do and is a genuine threat to go the full distance had a major. This is going to be one hell of a year. This is going to be one hell of an Australian open
And there is always Stanimal looking to feast on old and weak...
 

CopolyX

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"Always be yourself. Express yourself. Have faith in yourself. Do not go out and look for a successful personality and duplicate it." B.L.
 

zalive

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Can someone spell out balance in HL/HH for me - always throws me off. Sorry for being a noob but I grew up measuring in HL points.
Luckily it's not broken beyond repair...lol :)
HL pts = (34.3 - (balance in cm))/2.56*8

oh yeah... balance in cm = (balance in mm)/10
:p
 

zalive

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I don't know any faster way. Aside of entering formula into excel worksheet and ensuring a field in which you just enter balance in cm or in mm to get conversion to points HL.

When it's three digit balance it's in mm. Balance in cm is two digits plus one or two decimals.
 

moon shot

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lol - thanks a lot!

Follow up quick question: so what unit is generally implied when someone says 335 balance. Is there a quick way to convert into head light in my brain without taking my calculator out? Like what would be even balance in above units that @dgoran and @moon shot mentioned?
I'm right there with you. until I had measured enough of my frames balance as metric values I didn't have any reference point to make sense of it.

335 would be mm from me, if i write 33.5 then cm.

pts-+inches-+cm
+10++14.750++37.5
+9+++14.625++37.1
+8+++14.500++36.8
+7+++14.375++36.5
+6+++14.250++36.2
+5+++14.125++35.9
+4+++14.000++35.6
+3+++13.875++35.2
+2+++13.750++34.9
+1+++13.625++34.6
+0+++13.500++34.3
-1---13.375--34.0
-2---13.250--33.7
-3---13.125--33.3
-4---13.000--33.0
-5---12.875--32.7
-6---12.750--32.4
-7---12.625--32.1
-8---12.500--31.8
-9---12.375--31.4
-10--12.250--31.1
-11--12.125--30.8
-12--12.000--30.5
 
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haqq777

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I came across this after a quick Google search. Hope it helps others like me:
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/balance-point-conversions.195431/#post-3731726

For a 27” racquet: Standard to metric conversion for racquet balance:

Even balance = 34.30
1pt head light = 33.98
2 pts head light = 33.66
3 pts head light = 33.35
4 pts head light = 33.03
5 pts head light = 32.71
6 pts head light = 32.39
7 pts head light = 32.08
8 pts head light = 31.76
9 pts head light = 31.44
10 pts head light = 31.12
11 pts head light = 30.81
12 pts head light = 30.49

For mm simply divide by 10 and you'll get cm. That means even balance is 343 (since 34.30cm is even balance as stated above).

Also means that for 335 balance being talked about above, 335mm = 33.5cm which means from above chart that roughly converts to between 2-3 points HL.
 
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haqq777

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I don't know any faster way. Aside of entering formula into excel worksheet and ensuring a field in which you just enter balance in cm or in mm to get conversion to points HL.

When it's three digit balance it's in mm. Balance in cm is two digits plus one or two decimals.
I'm right there with you. until I had measured enough of my frames balance as metric values I didn't have any reference point to make sense of it.

335 would be mm from me, if i write 33.5 then cm.
Thanks!
 

Anton

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Lol. He's only nunber 3 in the world.
He's got the best serve in the game.
But no. Of course not. Why would anyone want to know his balance. Why would anyone want to swing like him.
Sounds like I would rather swing like you.
Post some videos of your wondrous technique
umm ok here you go:


And yes, I think you would be better off trying to swing like me over that crazy high wind-up take back Raonic does.

He certainly is not a top player because of that forehand style.
 

xFullCourtTenniSx

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Carlos Moya is part of that conspiracy, too. Why did he jump from Raonic to Nadal?
It's because Moya found out Fed's racket is actually a generation 1 Pure Drive painted over.


Excellent hitting Anton!
4.0? You look better than that...
Ratings aren't determined by how good your groundstrokes look. He could have other massive deficiencies that the video doesn't show (mental toughness, endurance, shot selection, serve, returns, etc). Did he actually say he was a 4.0 though? (Maybe he's sandbagging.)
 

danbrenner

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umm ok here you go:


And yes, I think you would be better off trying to swing like me over that crazy high wind-up take back Raonic does.

He certainly is not a top player because of that forehand style.
nice hitting my man. i play in Little Silver Tennis Club. if you are ever in the area let me know.
but lets not get ahead of ourselves. the guy is #3 in the world. regardless of how ugly his stroke may look..
this guy is the third best player on the planet. and his forehand has gotten crazy good this past year. his accuracy is great.
take backs are all personal pref .. Delpo is a prime example of that. He used the windmill technique, which most people would laugh at.
 

AMGF

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umm ok here you go:


And yes, I think you would be better off trying to swing like me over that crazy high wind-up take back Raonic does.

He certainly is not a top player because of that forehand style.
This is the part where I must say something. Even though your forehand is smooth and even though you don't like Raonic's style, it is a really effective weapon. Style don't win points. Case in point he's #3 in the whole world.

Look at Jack Sock, probably the ugliest FH of all times. But boy I'd pay a hefty price to have a FH as effective (spin/power) as him.



I don't know why you hate a high take back as it is technically sound just look at Agassi and Sampras:


 

Anton

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nice hitting my man. i play in Little Silver Tennis Club. if you are ever in the area let me know.
but lets not get ahead of ourselves. the guy is #3 in the world. regardless of how ugly his stroke may look..
this guy is the third best player on the planet. and his forehand has gotten crazy good this past year. his accuracy is great.
take backs are all personal pref .. Delpo is a prime example of that. He used the windmill technique, which most people would laugh at.
That's actually not far for me, I'm off from work the whole next week if you want to hit.

Raonic is a biomechanical oddity with long powerful legs on a 6'5" frame, who knows what he could've done.

But as far as looking for someone to emulate stroke wise it is VERY tough to make a case that his is a good model. Delpo's forehand is a flowing beauty in comparison.


!cringe! Only the infamous Gulbis Eagle can out-ugly this one.
 

zalive

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BTW when mentioning taller players and their defensive stats...here's for the 2016. return points won:

Kyrgios: 35%
Raonic: 36%
Cilic: 37%
Berdych: 37%
 

TennisD

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And yes, I think you would be better off trying to swing like me over that crazy high wind-up take back Raonic does.

He certainly is not a top player because of that forehand style.
Ok, so...no. Like...no. Not at all. He definitely is a top player because of how effective his forehand is and there's absolutely nothing wrong with his forehand. Sure the grip is extreme, but at the end of the day the takeback is not nearly as important as hitting zone, impact point, etc... Quite frankly I'd much rather teach Milos' takeback than yours.
 

Anton

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Ok, so...no. Like...no. Not at all. He definitely is a top player because of how effective his forehand is and there's absolutely nothing wrong with his forehand. Sure the grip is extreme, but at the end of the day the takeback is not nearly as important as hitting zone, impact point, etc... Quite frankly I'd much rather teach Milos' takeback than yours.
How about Federer's take back, would you teach that? :rolleyes:
 
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