Minimum number of slams for Nole so as to not disappoint

Minimum number of slams beyond 15 Nole should be able to win given where he stands today

  • 0 (no need to prove himself further, everything extra is just gravy)

    Votes: 16 29.6%

  • 1 (he’s too much on a roll not to win at least one more)

    Votes: 6 11.1%

  • 2 (he’s done a lot but if he doesn’t tie Nadal’s current count he’ll have underperformed)

    Votes: 6 11.1%

  • 3 (he still has a Murray-like Slam career ahead of him)

    Votes: 10 18.5%

  • 4 or more (anything less than one slam difference with Roger shows weakness)

    Votes: 16 29.6%
  • Total voters
    54
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If you had said to me last year after the FO that Nole would end his career with three more slams I would have been ecstatic and probably would have thought that was more than I could reasonably expect at the time. But that was then and this is now.

Given where we stand today, Nole with 15 slams, having just won 3 in a row, but also turning 32 this year, how many more does he need to win so that the he doesn’t “disappoint”? I know some fans want him to beat the slam record and may be very disappointed if he doesn’t. But that’s a very difficult and unlikely goal. What is a more reasonable expectation? Thoughts?
 
At one point I'd have been disappointed if he finished his career with 0 Slams. Since 2011, there's been no feeling of disappointment whatsoever
 
The poll says minimum, to which my response is if he wins this year's French he's GOAT. To stamp it probably wants to add 1 more USO but for me and many others he wins the French he's over the hill.
 
It won't be disapointing becuse he hasn't achieved enough, it'll be disappointing because he's in such good form with no end in sight. He should win at least 2 more.
 
I vote zero and that's a no brainer. He has won a lot of slams, I mean a lot !

There's nothing to root for him because he had a dream career. I would much root for NextGen.
 
I'd say I expect at least two more slams, Djokovic himself might be disappointed if he can't continue his good run of form and grab a couple more as well.
 
As a Novak fan who thought his ceiling was 10/11 Slams even back in his heyday, anything else he wins from now on is gravy

Of course I'd like to see him win more Slams and get closer to Nadal, and maybe even Fed... But it's a tall order at his age now
 
oldmanfan said:
Like others have said, 'disappoint' might be the wrong word bc we gotta respect the tour as much as we throw around the word 'mug'. As things stand, I feel 18 slams is very achievable for him, and a decent chance for more. Good times for Djokr fans ahead. (y)
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I couldn't have said it better! As far as I'm concerned "this is all gravy!" Most had to wonder if he would even get anywhere near the top after such a dismal showing in 2017 and early last season! Our expectations for him were high due to his level of play for the last several years! It's hard to believe how harsh commentary had gotten considering the level of play on tour and our knowing he had issues with his arm! Fedal had both gone thru down periods, but we thought NOLE was done! Fed came back past his prime closing in on 40 and Nadal keeps rising like a Phoenix time and time again even though I figured he'd been in the wheelchair race with Murray by now! Something's going on with him; continuing to hold off the Next Gen so far, but has Fedovic in his head it seems! I couldn't be more thrilled with Djokovic taking these last 3 majors; putting him back on course to surpass Fedal eventually! :unsure: o_O :rolleyes:;)
 
What Joe has achieved since January 2011 is absolutely ridiculously mind-bogglingly incredible, he's won more Slams than Nad and Fed combined in the past 8 years and more M1000's to boot. It's peculiar why he doesn't get the kudos he deserves.
 
Personally, I never saw such a meteoric rise coming (I expected him to do well,, but not THAT well, and not in such a manner), so even when he was out of contention, I was still digesting his previous efforts,, so I never really came to the point to be "disappointed", and every time the effects of his winning were wearing out, he started again, so it continues to this day.

He is too old to expect much more from him, so I will never be truly disappointed, but I expect from him 1-2 more.

8-)
 
Fiero425 said:
I couldn't have said it better! As far as I'm concerned "this is all gravy!" Most had to wonder if he would even get anywhere near the top after such a dismal showing in 2017 and early last season! Our expectations for him were high due to his level of play for the last several years! It's hard to believe how harsh commentary had gotten considering the level of play on tour and our knowing he had issues with his arm! Fedal had both gone thru down periods, but we thought NOLE was done! Fed came back past his prime closing in on 40 and Nadal keeps rising like a Phoenix time and time again even though I figured he'd been in the wheelchair race with Murray by now! Something's going on with him; continuing to hold off the Next Gen so far, but has Fedovic in his head it seems! I couldn't be more thrilled with Djokovic taking these last 3 majors; putting him back on course to surpass Fedal eventually! :unsure:o_O:rolleyes:;)
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Everytime commentators talk about 'the Big 4' it really does a disservice to Fed, Nad and Joe who are clearly streets, miles and continents ahead of Murray in terms of GS won, M1000's and H2H's. Imagine if Joe was Scottish and Murray was Serbian, would we ever hear about Murray at all?
 
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Personally, I never saw such a meteoric rise coming (I expected him to do well,, but not THAT well, and not in such a manner), so even when he was out of contention, I was still digesting his previous efforts,, so I never really came to the point to be "disappointed", and every time the effects of his winning were wearing out, he started again, so it continues to this day.

He is too old to expect much more from him, so I will never be truly disappointed, but I expect from him 1-2 more.

:cool:
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You're right, he looked ancient ceding just 8 games to Nad in the AO 2019 final, did you see the medical trainer come out to drain his catheter and clean his dentures after the second set.
 
Joe took a tumble in his SF match against Pouille, I wasn't sure if he'd broken a hip or not. If you think 31 is too old for tennis greatness then you really don't understand the game very well.
 
Rabe87 said:
Everytime commentators talk about 'the Big 4' it really does a disservice to Fed, Nad and Joe who are clearly streets, miles and continents ahead of Murray in terms of GS won, M1000's and H2H's. Imagine if Joe was Scottish and Murray was Serbian, would we ever hear about Murray at all?
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If he won 15 majors and over 30 Masters 1000 events? Yep; I think we'd hear about Murray a lot even if Serbian! :sneaky: :unsure: :rolleyes: ;)
 
Fiero425 said:
If he won 15 majors and over 30 Masters 1000 events? Yep; I think we'd hear about Murray a lot even if Serbian! :sneaky::unsure::rolleyes:;)
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There's been more news coverage relating to Nads nuptials than Joe's latest AO win. Imagine if he were American, British or Australian. You'd *never* hear the end of him (particularly if he were a Brit) and Centre Court at Wimby would be renamed 'Joe's Court'. It's a joke that Murray gets knighted for winning a Slam the other 3 have had more success at.
 
Rabe87 said:
There's been more news coverage relating to Nads nuptials than Joe's latest AO win. Imagine if he were American, British or Australian. You'd *never* hear the end of him (particularly if he were a Brit) and Centre Court at Wimby would be renamed 'Joe's Court'. It's a joke that Murray gets knighted for winning a Slam the other 3 have had more success at.
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Oh, no doubt Nole's coverage in the States is lacking! Been saying that for years! He's the Ivan Lendl of this era; more a 3rd wheel to the likes of Borg, Connors, & McEnroe! He beat his rivals, won 3 straight USO's of which Borg has none, has 3 FO's of which McEnroe and Connors have none, but the media coverage and ad $$'s will continue to go to McEnroe and Connors even after all these years! The Fedal rivalry was contrived from the beginning with all concerned making excuses for Federer's inability to win over Rafa after a time! The real rivalry was against Djokovic who's come to surpass them both in their H2H stat and's approaching fast in the first and last definitive decider of GOAT-dom with 15 majors and counting! :cautious: :rolleyes: ;)
 
I think that anything less than 3 more slam titles for his career would be disappointing for his fans. I think that anything less than being the slam title champion would be disappointing for Djokovic.
 
He was called a one-slam wonder for years after winning AO in 2008, finally got his second Slam in 2011, I think he's had an incredibly satisfying career. Even if he never won another one he can still lay claim to one of the greatest careers ever and the greatest single year in the modern era in 2011 (or 2015).
 
BGod said:
The poll says minimum, to which my response is if he wins this year's French he's GOAT. To stamp it probably wants to add 1 more USO but for me and many others he wins the French he's over the hill.
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Lol, who are these “many others” who would put Novak Djokovic as GOAT with 16 slams?
 
Pheasant said:
I think that anything less than 3 more slam titles for his career would be disappointing for his fans. I think that anything less than being the slam title champion would be disappointing for Djokovic.
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As much as I'm a fan, I still say Nole's the most vulnerable of the "Big 3" dropping major finals to Murray and Wawrinka or he'd of passed Fedal already! I take nothing from Murinka, but they're sporting 3 majors apiece that shouldn't have their names listed on them! :censored: :cry: :(
 
Rabe87 said:
He was called a one-slam wonder for years after winning AO in 2008, finally got his second Slam in 2011, I think he's had an incredibly satisfying career. Even if he never won another one he can still lay claim to one of the greatest careers ever and the greatest single year in the modern era in 2011 (or 2015).
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Now that should have meant nothing at the time since Federer went over 5 years without winning a major! Many thought he was done and should walk away, but he hung in there! Nole had more time to add to that count, but less than bright people saying "one slam wonder" couldn't be taken seriously! :censored: :unsure: :rolleyes: :(
 
Rabe87 said:
The record books. Holding all Slams twice is something never done before EVER, as USO and AO are hardcourts not grass like in Lavers time. That's a better achievement than anyone can lay claim to.
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Don’t disagree it would be an amazing achievement - but not quite enough to bridge a 4-slam gap.
 
He's got plenty of time to bridge the gap, but once Joe's done he'll have every record and all Fed will have is the fact he played in the era of Djokovic and lost a lot.
 
Rabe87 said:
He's got plenty of time to bridge the gap, but once Joe's done he'll have every record and all Fed will have is the fact he played in the era of Djokovic and lost a lot.
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Lollololol

Like people will remember him like that

He had a pretty single handed backhand, people don't just forget that
 
It's the era of Joe baby, Lord Novak is hoovering up the Slams and M1000's and we haven't even gotten to IW-Miami-MC-Madrid-Rome-RG season yet.
 
Tony48 said:
For me, I'd like him to at least equal Nadal (whatever number that may be).

As it stands right now, surpassing Sampras is more than satisfying.
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He surpassed Sampras last year, both being on 14 but Sampras didn't get that Clay crown. It's only Americans who claimed (and prob still claim) Sampras was ahead of him.
 
Rabe87 said:
Everytime commentators talk about 'the Big 4' it really does a disservice to Fed, Nad and Joe who are clearly streets, miles and continents ahead of Murray in terms of GS won, M1000's and H2H's. Imagine if Joe was Scottish and Murray was Serbian, would we ever hear about Murray at all?
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Sometimes they like having that even number to talk about so a 4th player is elevated! In my day it was Vitas Gerulaitis who barely won 1 major and that was "down under" when no one really went until the 80's! Vilas with 3 majors was probably more comparable and qualified to join the Big 4, but was still "owned" by Borg at the time! :sneaky::giggle: :oops: ;)
 
Fiero425 said:
Sometimes they like having that even number to talk about so a 4th player is elevated! In my day it was Vitas Gerulaitis who barely won 1 major and that was "down under" when no one really went until the 80's! Vilas with 3 majors was probably more comparable and qualified to join the Big 4, but was still "owned" by Borg at the time! :sneaky::giggle::oops:;)
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It is pretty amazing how far the AO has come in a relatively short amount of time, now it's the 3rd biggest prize of the year which is quite an astonishing achievement.
 
Rabe87 said:
How long have you been watching tennis for?
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Since '73 with the tennis boom just about to take off the next year after Connors & Evert won Wimbledon in '74! By '75 the network was full of tennis; sometimes on all 3 channels at the same time! Literally BJK could be playing live on CBS and a taped event from Sea Pines Plantation called the "World CC" on ABC! :unsure::cautious::rolleyes:
 
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Fiero425 said:
Since '73 with the tennis boom just about to take off the next year after Connors & Evert won Wimbledon in '74! By '75 the network was full of tennis; sometime on all 3 channels at the same time! Literally BJK could be playing live on CBS and a taped event from Sea Pines Plantation called the "World CC" on ABC! :unsure::cautious::rolleyes:
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I can't believe tennis events were sponsored by cigarette brands lol, the Virginia Slims Open.
 
Rabe87 said:
It is pretty amazing how far the AO has come in a relatively short amount of time, now it's the 3rd biggest prize of the year which is quite an astonishing achievement.
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As a major, the AO was an embarrassment going back to Court winning 11 championships with little to no competition except fellow Aussie's! It was moved from Jan. to Dec. to get Borg to play it after he started winning multiple FO's and Wimbledons! If ever Borg was to win the GS, they were praying he'd finally take a USO so he would be enticed to go "down under!" Another reason outside of how far away and how long it took to get there, there was the heat/humidity along with the problems with bugs! All that's been remedied by a change of venue along with elevating the prize money comparable to the other majors! :cautious::rolleyes:;)
 
Rabe87 said:
I can't believe tennis events were sponsored by cigarette brands lol, the Virginia Slims Open.
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Back in the day, it seemed to me "most people" smoked including my mother, step-father, brother, & college roommate! I was the odd man out and getting an endorsement, even from the cigarette industry was huge, and it "made" women's tennis which was in its infancy trying to be a legitimate tour breaking away from the men! This is all in the history books, but I lived it; going to VS event here in Chicago year after year! I saw Margaret Court up close winning one of her last events over Martina Navratilova after upsetting Evert in the SF! They were thrilled to play for Virginia Slims at the time. going to Avon for a few years! :sneaky: :rolleyes: ;)
 
Rabe87 said:
If I saw Margy Court in person I'd prob chuck a beer over her head
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Back then we had no idea she was a religious zealot and typical narrow-minded Aussie troll! At the time she still ruled the tour; even beating Evert on clay in Paris! :rolleyes:
 
Phoenix1983 said:
Lol, who are these “many others” who would put Novak Djokovic as GOAT with 16 slams?
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Go to a club I guess. People who have competed in tennis tend to view things such as 4 consecutive Slams x2 as bigger than total Slam count regardless of context but maybe that's just my circle.
 
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